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[Chaosmark101]

The same was EMS Madara is "equal" to Hashirama. Yes one has the edge, but fundamentally, they were equal.
And it wasn't a once shot. It was after countless battles and a final bout where they clashed evenly with Tobirama winning.

They were even when they were younger. Which was before Tobirama developed FTG, Shadow clones & Edo Tensei. MS wasn't enough for Tobirama.

 

[BlueMeteor]

Juubi Jin obito woukd wreck kakashi

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Stopped reading at Momoshiki , he ain't even top ten, Naruto and sasuke were heavily nerfed in that fight

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.

2. In my OPINION I believe that scans show that Madara had difficulty reacting to Gai, whose Night Gai is the fastest thing in the manga, the only thing that physically distorts space. If Night Gai took so long to charge, Madara would've easily reacted to it. Furthermore, it takes time to raise a susanoo, and nothing suggests Gai cannot move as fast as night Gai, considering either way, it's his body moving. Evening Elephant should be enough for Toneri, as Gai is faster than Naruto, if you need confirmation, make a thread on it. If Madara cannot raise a shield, with the insight of a Rinnegan, or at least react to night Gai, nothing suggests that the physically and mentally inferior Kakashi can do better. You can't go intangible if you cannot see something, or react to it. Even further, I stated, I believe DMS Kakashi is fundamentally equal to Gai, but in terms of pure power, I gave it to Gai.

Toneri is a crap villain, and he was beaten by KCM Naruto. He has inferior physical ability to Naruto, i.e. Boruto clashed with Naruto, (who, until he distorts space, is slower than Gai,) but is Boruto as fast as Naruto?

What I'm hearing is you like the list other than a personal vendetta against Gais position.

1. Yes, they are. But when you start arguing for your opinion as if it's fact, or when you start denying evidence that proves your opinion to be false, we cross the threshold of "My opinion".

2. I suggest somebody on NB holds a class on what an opinion is, because when they have no logical argument "my opinion" is pretty much the first thing they jump to.

-Scans do show that Madara had issues reacting to Night Guy, yes. That's a fact, not an opinion.

-Madara never did NOTHING while Gai charged up his attack. :lol What you are saying doesn't even make sense. It having a charge time doesn't mean that Madara can react AFTER it's used. While it was being charged Madara did nothing but place his stick in front of him, which in itself is a reaction.

-Scans show that Susanoo can be formed instantly. Sasuke did multiple times against Kaguya, Itachi has done it multiple times. Inb4 you start talking about your opinion, that is a fact.

-When you have feats of Gai being able to move at that speed constantly even though we saw his speed in the Manga w/o Night Guy and it was nowhere near that level, then we can talk.

-Why would Evening Elephant be enough for Toneri when he can't bust the Gudo Dama? :lol Something you've danced around till this point.

-Already addressed Night Guy, and instead of countering you repeated the same nonsense I've countered.

If their defense is already up, then no, you don't have to react. The only way their defense wouldn't be up is if Gai went and used it right off the bat, but even then, it has a charging period. During that period, Toneri/Obito wrap the Gudo Dama around their bodies and Kakashi puts Susanoo up, or he just uses Kamui while Gai is charging it.

Not to mention intangibility is passive. Kakashi doesn't have to react to slip through Gai's attacks. Not like he can bust PS anyway.

Toneri being a crap villain has nothing to do with his strength, and Toneri was shown moving, fighting and flying at the same speed Naruto does. Boruto only clashed with him once. Don't start with these ridiculous examples. As for the rest of your list:

-Why is Orochimaru that high?
-Kabuto can go above Killer B.
-So can Minato.
-Itachi is above Gaara.
-Kisame is above Gaara too.
-Tobirama should be near or on par with Minato as long as Minato isn't KCM.
-Remove Izuna.
-Both Ays are not on par. 3rd Ay is right below Kisame. 4th Ay is either a spot above Jiraiya or a spot below.

 

[Valhorus]

Fail lists , fail lists everywhere .

 

[God Of Illusions]

I stopped reading when Itachi was below Gaara. lml my man kys

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

1. Yes, they are. But when you start arguing for your opinion as if it's fact, or when you start denying evidence that proves your opinion to be false, we cross the threshold of "My opinion".

2. I suggest somebody on NB holds a class on what an opinion is, because when they have no logical argument "my opinion" is pretty much the first thing they jump to.

-Scans do show that Madara had issues reacting to Night Guy, yes. That's a fact, not an opinion.

-Madara never did NOTHING while Gai charged up his attack. :lol What you are saying doesn't even make sense. It having a charge time doesn't mean that Madara can react AFTER it's used. While it was being charged Madara did nothing but place his stick in front of him, which in itself is a reaction.

-Scans show that Susanoo can be formed instantly. Sasuke did multiple times against Kaguya, Itachi has done it multiple times. Inb4 you start talking about your opinion, that is a fact.

-When you have feats of Gai being able to move at that speed constantly even though we saw his speed in the Manga w/o Night Guy and it was nowhere near that level, then we can talk.

-Why would Evening Elephant be enough for Toneri when he can't bust the Gudo Dama? :lol Something you've danced around till this point.

-Already addressed Night Guy, and instead of countering you repeated the same nonsense I've countered.

If their defense is already up, then no, you don't have to react. The only way their defense wouldn't be up is if Gai went and used it right off the bat, but even then, it has a charging period. During that period, Toneri/Obito wrap the Gudo Dama around their bodies and Kakashi puts Susanoo up, or he just uses Kamui while Gai is charging it.

Not to mention intangibility is passive. Kakashi doesn't have to react to slip through Gai's attacks. Not like he can bust PS anyway.

Toneri being a crap villain has nothing to do with his strength, and Toneri was shown moving, fighting and flying at the same speed Naruto does. Boruto only clashed with him once. Don't start with these ridiculous examples. As for the rest of your list:

-Why is Orochimaru that high?
-Kabuto can go above Killer B.
-So can Minato.
-Itachi is above Gaara.
-Kisame is above Gaara too.
-Tobirama should be near or on par with Minato as long as Minato isn't KCM.
-Remove Izuna.
-Both Ays are not on par. 3rd Ay is right below Kisame. 4th Ay is either a spot above Jiraiya or a spot below.

I'm going to quit arguing with you based off of the simple fact that, as Madara showed for GudoDama, it isn't instant and it requires you to react. So there goes Toneri, who's reaction time isn't on par with Madara's. As far As DMS Kakashi goes, going intangible requires you to Kamui the precise part of you that is being hit, and it requires you to react, ie. Obito VS Minato. Even if he raised his PS, which I don't doubt he might, nothing suggests that Night Guy cannot break PS, which won't be able to go intangible, because he cannot Kamui and/or react at that speed.

-Orochimaru was given Edo Tensei due to it being his own Jutsu, that he improved, and not Kabuto due to my belief that he can no longer perform it, nor does he have the means to. He is also immensely hard to kill, and is able to summon all of the Ryuuchi Snakes.
-Possibly, but most of Kabuto's effectiveness is based on terrain, where Bee is extremely powerful without it.
-I do agree on Minato, if he has BM.
-I think not due to the AOE nature off Gaara's attacks, and his high mobility, Immunity to Genjutsu when he uses his third eye, and the fact that Yata cannot spread to the entire susanoo.
-Kisame again below him, due to Gaara being able to fly above, and evade his attacks, while Kisame isn't great at fighting range.
-Minato is KCM
-Izuna deserves his spot due to being on par with Tobirama prior to FTG Mastery.
-4th Ay is faster than 3rd, and can stalemate, if not beat V2 Ay. 3rd is stronger, but slower and therefore, I equaled them

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm going to quit arguing with you based off of the simple fact that, as Madara showed for GudoDama, it isn't instant and it requires you to react. So there goes Toneri, who's reaction time isn't on par with Madara's. As far As DMS Kakashi goes, going intangible requires you to Kamui the precise part of you that is being hit, and it requires you to react, ie. Obito VS Minato. Even if he raised his PS, which I don't doubt he might, nothing suggests that Night Guy cannot break PS, which won't be able to go intangible, because he cannot Kamui and/or react at that speed.

-Orochimaru was given Edo Tensei due to it being his own Jutsu, that he improved, and not Kabuto due to my belief that he can no longer perform it, nor does he have the means to. He is also immensely hard to kill, and is able to summon all of the Ryuuchi Snakes.
-Possibly, but most of Kabuto's effectiveness is based on terrain, where Bee is extremely powerful without it.
-I do agree on Minato, if he has BM.
-I think not due to the AOE nature off Gaara's attacks, and his high mobility, Immunity to Genjutsu when he uses his third eye, and the fact that Yata cannot spread to the entire susanoo.
-Kisame again below him, due to Gaara being able to fly above, and evade his attacks, while Kisame isn't great at fighting range.
-Minato is KCM
-Izuna deserves his spot due to being on par with Tobirama prior to FTG Mastery.
-4th Ay is faster than 3rd, and can stalemate, if not beat V2 Ay. 3rd is stronger, but slower and therefore, I equaled them

I should've quit arguing with you 5 posts back since all you can do is ignore chunks of my post, make up whatever nonsense you want to make up, and ignore evidence from the Manga itself.

If their defense is already up, then no, you don't have to react. The only way their defense wouldn't be up is if Gai went and used it right off the bat, but even then, it has a charging period. During that period, Toneri/Obito wrap the Gudo Dama around their bodies and Kakashi puts Susanoo up, or he just uses Kamui while Gai is charging it.

When Night Gai has the feats to bust PS, then we can talk. Cause I see no form of an argument from you. Not to mention Kamui intangibility is stated to be automatic. So why in the world would Kakashi have to react? Something you once again, decided to ignore.

Don't ignore it this time. If you do then don't expect another reply.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

I should've quit arguing with you 5 posts back since all you can do is ignore chunks of my post, make up whatever nonsense you want to make up, and ignore evidence from the Manga itself.



When Night Gai has the feats to bust PS, then we can talk. Cause I see no form of an argument from you. Not to mention Kamui intangibility is stated to be automatic. So why in the world would Kakashi have to react? Something you once again, decided to ignore.

Don't ignore it this time. If you do then don't expect another reply.

Let me lay logic on you.
Tsunade's punch can Crack a PS. So can a weighted Ay. As well as SS hands, which broke PS. The Sakura's punch was already shown to only break Kaguya's horn, despite being implied to be stronger than Tsunade. Night Gai is much more powerful.

Madara has the Rinnegan, which, being the evolution of the Sharingan, as well as his SM, should give him a very advanced sensing system. He could not defend against Night Gai, despite the charging period, and knowing what Evening Elephant did to his body. And does night Gai have a charging period so to speak, considering it isn't a jutsu that requires chakra moulding, no. It is just a stance he took before running, to let the viewer see Gai in all his glory. Nothing in the manga is faster than night gai, and only Kaguya, Ay, Sasuke, and Naruto have higher reaction speed than Madara, and of them, whom are all faster than Kakashi, only Naruto, Kaguya, and Sasuke have speed feats above Madara. Therefore, anyone below Cannot react to what one of the fastest, and the person with the highest sensing skills couldn't react to.

Unless you think Kakashi has higher reaction feats. Minato was able to hit Obits twice, so it is 200% obvious that the automatic part of Kamui has its limits. It can be fooled and outsped.

 

[KidGamer65]

Let me lay logic on you.
Tsunade's punch can Crack a PS. So can a weighted Ay. As well as SS hands, which broke PS. The Sakura's punch was already shown to only break Kaguya's horn, despite being implied to be stronger than Tsunade. Night Gai is much more powerful.

Madara has the Rinnegan, which, being the evolution of the Sharingan, as well as his SM, should give him a very advanced sensing system. He could not defend against Night Gai, despite the charging period, and knowing what Evening Elephant did to his body. And does night Gai have a charging period so to speak, considering it isn't a jutsu that requires chakra moulding, no. It is just a stance he took before running, to let the viewer see Gai in all his glory. Nothing in the manga is faster than night gai, and only Kaguya, Ay, Sasuke, and Naruto have higher reaction speed than Madara, and of them, whom are all faster than Kakashi, only Naruto, Kaguya, and Sasuke have speed feats above Madara. Therefore, anyone below Cannot react to what one of the fastest, and the person with the highest sensing skills couldn't react to.
Unless you think Kakashi has higher reaction feats. Minato was able to hit Obits twice, so it is 200% obvious that the automatic part of Kamui has its limits. It can be fooled and outsped.

The irony is so strong with this post. I've officially stopped taking you seriously. Wasn't going to reply since you failed to counter my post yet again, but now I have to since you are saying shit that blows all your other dumb posts out of the water. I wonder if you can even read the Manga you attempt to debate most of the time.

1. Tsunade's punch canonically failed to damage a V3, and was only able to crack a Ribcage. Tell me more about where she got the feats to crack PS.

2. Weighted Ay's best feat is punching through a V2. Tell me more about where he got the feats to crack PS.

3. Ay smashed Zetsu's SS hand. Tell me more about how:

-1 hand=1000 hands.
-Zetsu's SS=Hashirama's SS.

4. Tell me more about where Kaguya's horn became more durable than Susanoo.

The fact I even have to explain this shows me how little you understand a young folk's Manga.

-Madara didn't defend against Night Guy because he either couldn't with a single Gudo Dama stick, or he chose not to. Don't say he couldn't react while Gai was charging (makes zero sense btw) when he was praising Gai for his power and even braced himself before the impact.

The rest of the Night Guy BS is irrelevant since I never said they react to it, so stop repeating the same shit over and over and over again.

Minato hitting Obito is irrelevant, because:

1. Obito tried to warp, which makes him solid.
2. Minato had Hiraishin.
3. Gai does not.
4. Night Guy is a linear movement. Please explain to everyone how a linear attack counters automatic intangibility. :lol