[Discussion] Top 2

[Bogard]

This is how i rank them

1. Luffy is the strongest as the captain, part of the worst generation, with potential to surpass Roger, usually fighting the strongest opponents
2. Zoro is the strongest as the informal right hand man/vice-captain of the crew, part of the worst generation, potential to surpass Mihawk/Rayleigh, usually facing the second strongest opponents
3. Sanji is the third strongest as the third part of the monster trio of the crew, usually facing the third strongest foes
4. Franky is the fourth strongest, usually having the main fights among the middle trio, with great destructive power and durability
5. Robin is the fifth strongest, usually compared to Franky but with speciality relying on great used of her devil fruit(for grab, clones, etc) in combo with her high level of reaction speed. I think she can beat Franky in a fight, but Franky is overall stronger
6. Brook is the sixth strongest, as part of the middle trio, the fastest of them in terms of movement or attacking speed, but usually gets the short end of the stick compared to them
7. Chopper is the seventh strongest. Depending on his state he can go from weak trio to close to mid trio in my opinion, especially now that he control monster form(albeit the timelimit of the mode remains)
8. Nami/Usopp can't really seperate these two since they are often paralleled with one another. Nami has the advantage to have already shown the ability to defeat Usopp in a fight(albeit when he was running away), plus the fact that Oda apparently said Usopp will always be the weakest(but how relevant it is at the moment?), but on the other side Nami is nothing without Usopp since he is the one who created her weapon in the first place, he also displayed much greater endurance(he could take Caesar's attack that Nami thought could have killed her if not Sanji's body for example)

If Jinbei joins by the Cake Island arc, i think he'd be either be Sanji level or a little above(so maybe number3) judging by their comparable portrayal in fishmen island

 

[chopstickchakra]

My biggest problem with Usopp still being the "weakest" is if he wasn't there to make Nami's weapon she'd have no chance at being considered above him. Also her attacks are only better than his because they can handle a bigger group of enemies at a time.

 

[Punk Hazard]

My biggest problem with Usopp still being the "weakest" is if he wasn't there to make Nami's weapon she'd have no chance at being considered above him. Also her attacks are only better than his because they can handle a bigger group of enemies at a time.

How does this matter? Usopp giving Nami the instrument that makes her stronger than him doesn't change that she's stronger than him. State function law: It doesn't matter how the system gets there as long as it gets there. When Zoro surpasses Mihawk, can we say "Yeah but if Mihawk didn't train him he wouldn't be there so I have a problem with it"?

 

[chopstickchakra]

How does this matter? Usopp giving Nami the instrument that makes her stronger than him doesn't change that she's stronger than him. State function law: It doesn't matter how the system gets there as long as it gets there. When Zoro surpasses Mihawk, can we say "Yeah but if Mihawk didn't train him he wouldn't be there so I have a problem with it"?

Did I say it changed it? I said I disliked the reasoning behind it, Usopp is physically stronger but is seen as weaker because of a weapon he gave her. Also there you go using false comparisons again and acting like they're a valid counter, training someone how to use something they're already equipped with better is not the same as providing someone with the means to their power.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did I say it changed it? I said I disliked the reasoning behind it, Usopp is physically stronger but is seen as weaker because of a weapon he gave her.

Which means nothing in the end. So what's the point of bringing it up in this thread?

Also there you go using false comparisons again and acting like they're a valid counter, training someone how to use something they're already equipped with better is not the same as providing someone with the means to their power.

Is training not a means to the power Zoro has right now? Either method means a gain in power, so they're equivalent. Regardless of how it happened, Mihawk is one of the reasons Zoro is as strong as he is now, just as Usopp is one reason Nami is as strong as she is now. And both are equally pointless to mention cuz they don't change the end result.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Which means nothing in the end. So what's the point of bringing it up in this thread?

Is training not a means to the power Zoro has right now? Either method means a gain in power, so they're equivalent. Regardless of how it happened, Mihawk is one of the reasons Zoro is as strong as he is now, just as Usopp is one reason Nami is as strong as she is now. And both are equally pointless to mention cuz they don't change the end result.

I was stating my opinion on Usopp's ranking. Are we no longer allowed to express dislike for things unless the great, almighty and big green headed Riker understands and agrees?

If you've trained with a sword for ten years then someone comes along and trains you for another 2 years and helps improve your skill, they've helped you boost the power you had. If someone who's never picked up a weapon more than a stick is given a gun how are those equivalent? One person gave someone with no power a great power while the other helped enhance someone's natural power. Just because you want to see them as the same because they have similarities doesn't make them equivalent.