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[Killua Zoldyck]

You can't divide 100% by two and come out with anything more than 50% on either side. Yin if 50% and Yang is the other 50%. Indra got Yin and Asura got Yang. They received their powers through normal birth, so I'm positive they didn't get all of Hagoromo's power amongst the two of them, unlike Naruto and Sasuke who were given all of his Yang and Yin Chakras respectively. Hagoromo had no chakra left to do what he wanted to do, more evidence that he gave Naruto and Sasuke more than what his sons got.

Then add Naruto's Nature Energy, and add the Bijuu Sasuke took.

They got that from a Jin Hagoromo, Naruto and Sasuke did not. And again, Nature energy is a ability outside of the power. For all you know, Ashura also had Nature energy, or something greater.

That isn't the theme of the manga.

-Pretty sure Hashirama's kids aren't stronger than he is.

-Asuma isn't stronger than Hiruzen.

-Indra or Asura aren't stronger than Hagoromo.

Sure about Hashirama and Asuma. Using the Indra and Ashura example is circular reasoning. And that's just two. I could name you FAR more kids who surpassed their parents then the opposite.

-Hagoromo and Hamura aren't stronger than Kaguya.

Sure.

Doesn't change the fact that Naruto w/ All that Nature Energy he absorbed vs. Sasuke>>>Naruto before absorbing the Nature Energy>Asura.

Except that Ashura is likely stronger then Naruto, and Sasuke.

Didn't know what Indra was a Raiton user with the Bijuu's chakra? Because that is how Sasuke uses that technique. His technique is called Indra's Arrow, nothing implies that its the same exact arrow that Indra used.

Might have had Raiton. Could have had Biju chakra when he used his own Arrow. His said its Indra's arrow, nothing implies that that's the name of the technique. I don't remember any technique being named after a PERSON in the manga. He was referring to the fact that the arrow was INDRA'S Arrow.

Bad logic. He died with no Gudo Dama either, yet his chakra ghost has the complete set. Pre Jin Hagoromo has no Gudo Dama. Post Jin Hagoromo has no Gudo Dama. Its pretty obvious that he had his Jin powers. Him not dying with them isn't a counter argument.

Its funny how we are talking about facts, I'm pretty sure there wasn't any other half of the Juubi. Its just one entity that he sealed in himself, and then broke up into 9 parts.

If Hagoromo had all the Biju chakra, then there would be no Biju chakra in the normal world. The chakra did not double just so that Hagoromo can have Biju chakra. That goes against all logic. He released it all.

1. JJ Hagoromo, not Base Hagoromo.

2. Him being close doesn't mean he'll be stronger than Sasuke once he gets his other eye.

1. Nope, Base Hagoromo.

2. Yes it does, Obito expressed how Madara was on a whole other level if he where to obtain his other eye. If he was close before, that means he was at least above 60% there. The other eye at least doubles his power, if not more. And then we have to factor in the power he got from the Shinju, and then we factor in the power after obtaining Samsara.

Uh, no, its not. Naruto and Sasuke are both speedsters, but at the end of the day, the durability and firepower of their mechazords is why they are where they are. Ay can fight any opponent his father can fight, and his father would beat each and every one with a lower difficulty. If Ay fought his father, he'd get destroyed. He can't hurt him, he can't blitz him, nor can he tank his attacks.

Yes it is. There are more characters that can hurt or kill the 3rd Raikage then there are characters that can keep up with Ei's speed. Nearly all the characters that can keep up with Ei's speed, can kill or injure 3rd Raikage. But then there are also characters who can't keep up with Ei's speed, but still be capable of injuring the 3rd Raikage. I could even make a list if you promise to concede under the conditions that the list is correct.

 

[KidGamer65]

They got that from a Jin Hagoromo, Naruto and Sasuke did not. And again, Nature energy is a ability outside of the power.

Except Naruto and Sasuke did get it from Jin Hagoromo.

I know that Nature Energy is outside of the power Naruto got. That is my whole point. 50% of Hagoromo's power + Nature Energy=Much stronger than the likes of Indra and Asura.

For all you know, Ashura also had Nature energy, or something greater.

Lol, except there is no evidence, so there is no reason to even take something like that into consideration.

Sure about Hashirama and Asuma. Using the Indra and Ashura example is circular reasoning. And that's just two. I could name you FAR more kids who surpassed their parents then the opposite.

Not really. Nothing even begins to imply that Indra or Asura reached Hagoromo's level, not when they only got a portion of his power each. Let alone surpassing him.

Except that Ashura is likely stronger then Naruto, and Sasuke.

Except he's not.

Might have had Raiton. Could have had Biju chakra when he used his own Arrow. His said its Indra's arrow, nothing implies that that's the name of the technique. I don't remember any technique being named after a PERSON in the manga. He was referring to the fact that the arrow was INDRA'S Arrow.

Assumptions, the Bijuu Chakra one is nothing but incorrect. From what we know based on Hagoromo's description of Indra engaging Asura, Indra didn't have the Bijuu's power. Doesn't help your case much that the Bijuu were just created too.

50% of Hagoromo's power+9 Bijuu>>Portion of Hagoromo's power.

Is the bold a joke? Sasuke said this is his strongest technique "Indra's Arrow". Which means that his technique is called Indra's Arrow. It being named after indra isn't any kind of proof or evidence that it's a technique he knew, nor is it proof that its at the scale Indra used it at even if its the same technique.

As if Sasuke would know what Indra's technique looked like to be able to call it Indra's Arrow.

Even if sasuke's strongest attack is called indra's arrow, it doesn't mean that indra could perform that technique at the level in which sasuke could. Naruto's strongest attack is a fuuton rasenshuriken and a bijuudama rasenshuriken. It doesn't mean that the FRS he used was = to the ones KCM or SM Naruto can use, or his bijuudama rasenshuriken is equal to the ones naruto was spamming against madara's meteors.

If Hagoromo had all the Biju chakra, then there would be no Biju chakra in the normal world. The chakra did not double just so that Hagoromo can have Biju chakra. That goes against all logic. He released it all.

Like I said, he didn't have his Gudo Dama either, yet he still has them. So no, this logic isn't going work here. Gudo Dama Set is already shown to be something you gain from having Rikudo Senjutsu, which is also something you get from having the 9 Bijuu + Rikudo Senjutsu, or the Juubi's powers.

1. Nope, Base Hagoromo.

Nope. Jin Hagoromo.

2. Yes it does, Obito expressed how Madara was on a whole other level if he where to obtain his other eye. If he was close before, that means he was above 50% there.

His performance against Naruto and Sasuke only shows that he wasn't 50% there, since they both got half of Hagoromo's power and spanked him without going all out. A full power Naruto or Sasuke would have easily outperformed the Naruto and Sasuke who fought Madara in canon. Easily.

The other eye at least doubles his power, if not more. And then we have to factor in the power he got from the Shinju, and then we factor in the power after obtaining Samsara.

Him getting an overall power boost from the Third Eye (Besides IT) is an assumption, and we don't know how strong he got from getting the Shinju.

Yes it is. There are more characters that can hurt or kill the 3rd Raikage then there are characters that can keep up with Ei's speed. Nearly all the characters that can keep up with Ei's speed, can kill or injure 3rd Raikage. But then there are also characters who can't keep up with Ei's speed, but still be capable of injuring the 3rd Raikage. I could even make a list if you promise to concede under the conditions that the list is correct.

Any list you make has to demonstrate that Ay and the Raikage can fight the same people, but with one winning at lower difficulties then the other. The one who can do that, and fighting against stronger people and get better results is the stronger one. Make a list like that, and if Ay wins that list, I'll concede. Making a list the one you described here doesn't work since being able to hurt the Raikage doesn't mean that you can beat him.

 

[Dannie]

I practically threw up at this list.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

As a general question to everyone. From what I understand the main problem is really the top 10, if that's all, then how is this a bad list? Its not a top 10, but a top 100. There should be like 20 mistakes for it to be considered a bad list. And like 50 for it to be considered disgusting.

Except Naruto and Sasuke did get it from Jin Hagoromo.

I know that Nature Energy is outside of the power Naruto got. That is my whole point. 50% of Hagoromo's power + Nature Energy=Much stronger than the likes of Indra and Asura.



Lol, except there is no evidence, so there is no reason to even take something like that into consideration.






Not really. Nothing even begins to imply that Indra or Asura reached Hagoromo's level, not when they only got a portion of his power each. Let alone surpassing him.



Except he's not.

Indra and Ashura got half of Jin Hagoromo's power. Sasuke got half of regular Hagoromo's power + chakra from Biju. Which is still not quite enough to put them at the same strength as Indra and Ashura.

Assumptions, the Bijuu Chakra one is nothing but incorrect. From what we know based on Hagoromo's description of Indra engaging Asura, Indra didn't have the Bijuu's power. Doesn't help your case much that the Bijuu were just created too.

50% of Hagoromo's power+9 Bijuu>>Portion of Hagoromo's power.

Is the bold a joke? Sasuke said this is his strongest technique "Indra's Arrow". Which means that his technique is called Indra's Arrow. It being named after indra isn't any kind of proof or evidence that it's a technique he knew, nor is it proof that its at the scale Indra used it at even if its the same technique.

As if Sasuke would know what Indra's technique looked like to be able to call it Indra's Arrow.

Ashura was clad in some kind of Biju avatar, and was holding either giant Gudōdama or Bijudamas. Indra had some type of Rinnegan, he could have just was easily absorbed some Biju chakra. Or he innately had as much power.

Sasuke said Indra's Arrow.....which I have just fired, is my most powerful attack. This means that the technique itself is Indra's Arrow. No technique is named after a character, that just sounds stupid.

What reason would he have to call it Indra's arrow? Hago may have told him of Indra's power. Or it said on a some kind of scripture. You never know.

Like I said, he didn't have his Gudo Dama either, yet he still has them. So no, this logic isn't going work here. Gudo Dama Set is already shown to be something you gain from having Rikudo Senjutsu, which is also something you get from having the 9 Bijuu + Rikudo Senjutsu, or the Juubi's powers.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It was never stated that you need to have Biju chakra to have Gūdodama, Ashura seemingly had Biju chakra yet he did not have Gudōdama. You cannot ignore logic for your cause. The Biju chakra (and more) was mostly inside Kaguya (and what was not was inside Naruto). Therefore, there is no possible way Hagoromo could have had Biju chakra. If he did, it would have been an insignificant amount.

His performance against Naruto and Sasuke only shows that he wasn't 50% there, since they both got half of Hagoromo's power and spanked him without going all out. A full power Naruto or Sasuke would have easily outperformed the Naruto and Sasuke who fought Madara in canon. Easily.

lol its impossible that he be named close to his power, and yet not even been half way there. Madara was not going all out either, nor did he have the full set of Gudōdama's. Nor was it even his primary focus to beat them. They where like banana peels in the way to a destination, Madara tripped on them occasionally but continued heading to his actual destination without paying much attention.

Him getting an overall power boost from the Third Eye (Besides IT) is an assumption, and we don't know how strong he got from getting the Shinju.

He most certainly got stronger after gaining the Shinju. Substantially so if you look at the amount he absorbed and the fact that the Shinju made up of much of Juubitos Biju chakra as well as all the chakra it had absorbed.

Any list you make has to demonstrate that Ay and the Raikage can fight the same people, but with one winning at lower difficulties then the other. The one who can do that, and fighting against stronger people and get better results is the stronger one. Make a list like that, and if Ay wins that list, I'll concede. Making a list the one you described here doesn't work since being able to hurt the Raikage doesn't mean that you can beat him.

Ei wins at lower difficulty against Tsunade and Sakura. Both of whom can definitely hurt the 3rd Raikage (substantially so) and have a far greater chance at landing a hit on 3rd then on Ei.

Ei can potentially tie with MS Sasuke. While MS Sasuke puts the 3rd Raikage down.

Ei can defeat Ōnoki. While Ōnoki defeats the 3rd.

That will do for now.

 

[Naruto9001]

As a general question to everyone. From what I understand the main problem is really the top 10, if that's all, then how is this a bad list? Its not a top 10, but a top 100. There should be like 20 mistakes for it to be considered a bad list. And like 50 for it to be considered disgusting.

It's not just the top 10. Nearly the whole list is a fail, but like I said good effort. I couldn't even attempt to make a top 100.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

It's not just the top 10. Nearly the whole list is a fail, but like I said good effort. I couldn't even attempt to make a top 100.

Just give me 6 examples.