[Discussion] top 10 strongest everything

[Lazlazor]

Perhaps Doflamingo should be on the top 10

 

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my mistake :| whoops , yeah garp above shanks in that list too

EDIT; FIXED


zephyr:thanks for clearing that up for me , does that mean the neo-marines are cannon or not? they are not an event

Vergo: i am certain of vergo's death , we saw him after he was bifuricated , however i put monet in there because i couldn't think of anyone else dead so i just put her there :|

you raise some good points , but those would be really retarded devil fruits xD

Hahaha, makes sense.

Want me to explain how the DF's work?

The Neo-Marines are not canon

If anyone of Vergo and Monet survived, it's definitely Vergo. He had pretty epic CoA, plus Monet got stabbed through the heart. I don't think that's something you come back from :O

Wait, you've seen a panel where it's evident that was Monet's heart and that she is undeniably dead. Link it to me. I've only seen the pages where we've seen CC stab a heart and Monet finding out she didn't have one.

Yes, but we literally saw her getting stabbed, if I'm not mistaken. We didn't see how long Pell stayed with the nuke. And Vergo was sliced in half by Law, which actually doesn't mean anything when it comes to death and stuff like that.

Once again, you've actually seen the panel where she dies and Goda proves that was her heart?

We didn't see how long Pell stayed with the nuke.

And we haven't seen Monet's dead body (well, I haven't). Also, the radius was 2.5km. Meaning, if Pell let go of the nuke at the last second, he still wouldn't be able to get out of a 1km radius.

Perhaps Doflamingo should be on the top 10

No chance.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Hahaha, makes sense.

Want me to explain how the DF's work?

Wait, you've seen a panel where it's evident that was Monet's heart and that she is undeniably dead. Link it to me. I've only seen the pages where we've seen CC stab a heart and Monet finding out she didn't have one.

Once again, you've actually seen the panel where she dies and Goda proves that was her heart?
And we haven't seen Monet's dead body (well, I haven't). Also, the radius was 2.5km. Meaning, if Pell let go of the nuke at the last second, he still wouldn't be able to get out of a 1km radius.


No chance.

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There you go.

And yeah, I have no explanation for the Pell thing. Him surviving was just unnecessary.

 

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There you go.

And yeah, I have no explanation for the Pell thing. Him surviving was just unnecessary.

Oh, so just showing her face means it's truly her her heart and that she's dead? Okay.

And it is necessary for Monet to survive and makes sense. Why?

Her dying doesn't add anything to the story that her simply collapsing and being missing doesn't already accomplish.

She's willing to die for Doflamingo to destroy his enemies. She fails at that, so her death and sacrifice would be meaningless.

Thus, she isn't dead, because this is One Piece.

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There's no reason to show all of that except to imply significant damage to Monet's heart.
Or, Oda can't simply do the off-panel trick every time. He has to work at convincing the audience occasionally so they'll still believe, despite his track record. Pull those emotional beats, even though you know he won't go through with it.

The purpose of that sequence was to explain
-why Monet didn't manage to blow everyone up
-that Ceaser sabotaged himself,
-that Smoker's heart was returned
-that Law had a plan ahead of him.
-And yes, even showed that Dofla cared his minions and that they're *willing* to sacrifice for him.

It served multiple story purposes there. All that in the space of like a page.

But if the point of it was to draw out an emotional response and sympathy to Doflamingo, or Monet, Oda would have milked it more heavily than a single line of dialogue right beforehand.... because that's how Oda works.

If Monet had been crying with snot streaming down her nose, smiling, or had accomplished her dream (which is probably astrology/flying based) then she could die. But she didn't.

Oda does not kill lightly, and never that fast. (Not to mention it would mean that Tashigi was implicit in helping kill her by wounding her earlier, thus slowing her down before she could do what she had to do)

He drew the cube of blood wobbling and bending from the impact. He was drawing real world physics there.

If he wanted it to be clear that the heart was stabbed, he could have either shown it go all the way through the cube the first time, (In silhouette) or crushed it, or left the spike in it the last time we saw it. Either way would be pretty definitive. But Oda left himself an out with a clear visual oddity.

This isn't about "Stabbed or not stabbed". Its about storytelling, visual tricks, ongoing themes, and how the author works... and how Oda manages to KEEP convincing people he's killed someone when his track record leans so heavily towards NOT killing. He can't just do the same offscreen explosion every time, that gets old, people would get wise to just that fast, he has to find new ways of doing it, new ways of intercutting a scene and framing the camera.

But for a character to die without a speech, without a smile, without a dream fullfilled, without a good reason? Post Skypeia? (Actually with Bellamy back we have to make mid-Alabasta the cutoff now) Oda just doesn't work like that.

Oda's reason on the page will be "she survived" and that's all it needs to be and that's fine. But in his own mind? His personal explanation to himself? I'm sure he has an excuse for his own benefit even if he never addresses it.

(There are more reasons but I CBF'd reading all them.)

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Oh, so just showing her face means it's truly her her heart and that she's dead? Okay.

And it is necessary for Monet to survive and makes sense. Why?






(There are more reasons but I CBF'd reading all them.)

What? Anyways, you see that there's a hole in her chest where her heart should be, and Law says that he gave Monet's heart to Caesar. Fact.

 

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What? Anyways, you see that there's a hole in her chest where her heart should be, and Law says that he gave Monet's heart to Caesar. Fact.

Ace says he won't die. Fact?
Rob Lucci says he'll win in their fight @EL. Fact?
Crocodile says Luffy isn't in his league. Fact?

This proves that unless you see it, it's not fact. Hence why, the "Law giving CC Monet's heart" argument isn't as factual as others claim it to be.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Ace says he won't die. Fact?
Rob Lucci says he'll win in their fight @EL. Fact?
Crocodile says Luffy isn't in his league. Fact?

This proves that unless you see it, it's not fact. Hence why, the "Law giving CC Monet's heart" argument isn't as factual as others claim it to be.

No, what I said is that it's a fact that he said it. I can't go by anything else than that. The only people on Punk Hazard who had their heart cut out was Law, Smoker and Monet. Law didn't die, Smoker didn't die. So I'm pretty certain that it's her heart. Whether she's alive or not, we are meant to believe she is dead. That's the way Oda set it up. If he brings her back, that doesn't change anything about that.

 

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No, what I said is that it's a fact that he said it. I can't go by anything else than that. The only people on Punk Hazard who had their heart cut out was Law, Smoker and Monet. Law didn't die, Smoker didn't die. So I'm pretty certain that it's her heart. Whether she's alive or not, we are meant to believe she is dead. That's the way Oda set it up. If he brings her back, that doesn't change anything about that.

Law is known for having hearts. How do you know he doesn't have heaps at his disposal. He cut those guards, so why not take their heart as well. Law is known for planning on ahead. Perhaps he lied to them about it being Monets heart since he knew she will be of HUGE use in the future. Hence why he swapped hearts with some guard.

And as for Oda's intention of having her die. That's not his intention. Why? Her dying doesn't add anything to the story that her simply collapsing and being missing doesn't already accomplish.
It shows us that Doffy's subordinates are willing to die for him so he can destroy his enemies. She fails at that, so her death and sacrifice would be meaningless. And how often does Oda kill someone? When there death brings GREAT meaning to the plot. Her death doesn't. So it doesn't make sense for him to kill her off.
And that page of her collapsing and CC stabbing a heart is meant for the following reasons:
-why Monet didn't manage to blow everyone up
-that Ceaser sabotaged himself,
-that Smoker's heart was returned
-that Law had a plan ahead of him.
-And it even showed that Doffy cares for his subordinates and that they're willing to die for him.
It served multiple story purposes there.
And Oda has done the off-panel "death", a few times which imply one thing, and lead to the complete opposite.

Furthermore, it would make sense on Oda's behalf if she had been crying with snot streaming down her nose, smiling, or had accomplished her dream (which is probably astrology/flying based) then she could die. But she didn't. And this is a story about dreams. So why kill off a character which can GREATLY impact the series, due to her dreams?


Lastly, this is Oda's work, and he does not kill lightly, and never that fast. Because this is One Piece.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Law is known for having hearts. How do you know he doesn't have heaps at his disposal. He cut those guards, so why not take their heart as well. Law is known for planning on ahead. Perhaps he lied to them about it being Monets heart since he knew she will be of HUGE use in the future. Hence why he swapped hearts with some guard.

And as for Oda's intention of having her die. That's not his intention. Why? Her dying doesn't add anything to the story that her simply collapsing and being missing doesn't already accomplish.
It shows us that Doffy's subordinates are willing to die for him so he can destroy his enemies. She fails at that, so her death and sacrifice would be meaningless. And how often does Oda kill someone? When there death brings GREAT meaning to the plot. Her death doesn't. So it doesn't make sense for him to kill her off.
And that page of her collapsing and CC stabbing a heart is meant for the following reasons:
-why Monet didn't manage to blow everyone up
-that Ceaser sabotaged himself,
-that Smoker's heart was returned
-that Law had a plan ahead of him.
-And it even showed that Doffy cares for his subordinates and that they're willing to die for him.
It served multiple story purposes there.
And Oda has done the off-panel "death", a few times which imply one thing, and lead to the complete opposite.

Furthermore, it would make sense on Oda's behalf if she had been crying with snot streaming down her nose, smiling, or had accomplished her dream (which is probably astrology/flying based) then she could die. But she didn't. And this is a story about dreams. So why kill off a character which can GREATLY impact the series, due to her dreams?


Lastly, this is Oda's work, and he does not kill lightly, and never that fast. Because this is One Piece.

It's just too much speculation, imo. I wouldn't be surprised if she survived. But like with Pell, Oda forced you(at least me) that she died. She might come back. But I have to diagree, I think she served her purpose. Like you said, it proved that Doflamingo has incredibly loyal subordinates, and the fact that she didn't cry, that might have something to do with DD's "pace". Trevor(snot dude) stated that Dressrosa was in an uproar, people were going crazy. But when the SHs got there, everything was calm and "normal". Several people commented on that. So I think it has something to do with that.

 

[Zorø]

Why is big mam in front of blackbeard on the yonkou list??!!!?!!!!

 

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Why is big mam in front of blackbeard on the yonkou list??!!!?!!!!

Because BB is currently the weakest Emperor.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Why is big mam in front of blackbeard on the yonkou list??!!!?!!!!

because i think blackbeard underestimates everyone , has weak haki in comparison to his devil fruit powers , and therefore the weakest yonkou as of now (unless he has more powers)

everyone has their own opinion , please respect that.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

because i think blackbeard underestimates everyone , has weak haki in comparison to his devil fruit powers , and therefore the weakest yonkou as of now (unless he has more powers)

everyone has their own opinion , please respect that.

I can agree to this, he is a DF *****. Though he will rise a lot in power eventually, most likely.

 

[Hexuze]

I'm pretty sure Aokiji is stronger than Kizaru.

 

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I'm pretty sure Aokiji is stronger than Kizaru.

Yeah I think that as well but I just said they're equal.

 

[Lazlazor]

No chance.

He had the capabalities of using Haoshoku Haki.

 

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He had the capabalities of using Haoshoku Haki.

With that being said, Hancock is also a contender for Top 10. And she's definitely not.
Doffy is Low-Top TIER. Whereas the Top 10's are all HIgh-Top TIER and above.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Doffy is just below admiral level , no doubt he will progress into the top 10 , but he is currently a long way off top 10 , top 20 is where he stands

 

[Hexuze]

Doffy is just below admiral level , no doubt he will progress into the top 10 , but he is currently a long way off top 10 , top 20 is where he stands

I still dont understand why Aokiji is lower than Kizaru. If that was the case than sengoku would of picked Kizaru to be fleet admiral instead of Aokiji. (obv. not akainu cause hes just insane).

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I still dont understand why Aokiji is lower than Kizaru. If that was the case than sengoku would of picked Kizaru to be fleet admiral instead of Aokiji. (obv. not akainu cause hes just insane).

this is just my opinion , i believe that kizaru's destructive power places him above aokiji , each to his own

but aokiji was probably the most popular guy in the marines and was the one most men looked up to , him being fleet admiral would mean that there would be more enthusiasm throughout the marines.

kizaru on the other hand is not as popular (but is easily more popular than that akainu bastard) , he just seems too care free with too little f!cks to give as fleet admiral , although this is the same with aokiji he does maintain a sense of seriousness when it is required.