[Discussion] Top 10 strongest devil fruits

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Actually it would just take a sea stone to beat him. That's why he didn't regen. after the two shots he had sea stone shackles, once they were off he regenerated. As long as he has his DF in effect I'm pretty sure he IS unkillable that's kinda what the whole pheonix myth is about.

I said he experienced fatigue after being shot and regenerating. His regeneration either: doesn't always work , takes a lot out of him OR does not work on internal organs. He regenerates and appeared to be far weaker ; being incapable to stand up to Akainu ; prior to that he could go head on with Kizaru.

 

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Think logically. A admiral tier/ sub admiral tier character won't be dependant on their devil fruit. After being shot twice by Kizaru he was still running about.

Him surviving that was most definitely not due to his natural physique, but due to his Haki.

He withstood the lava because of HAKI. He has haki; we know he does and so he would've used haki against any admiral. The haki would enhance his defences and amplify attacks.

Yes, indeed, but that doesn't take away from the fact the fruit still very well increase his physical attributes.

Magma is hotter than blue flames. And actually his fruit LACKS destructive power ; all in all meaning that all the fruits I listed above his ( all with both attacks and defence and perks which are unique to each one) are superior all round. His fruits only advantage is flight and looking cool. Because regen is useless if you have no head and therefore you would die anyways. His regeneration has a limit like everything else.

Huh? And I stated otherwise where???
Fact remains I obviously meant the blue flames are stronger - strength wise.
Also, when you use the meteor example, you should realize that the meteor wouldn't do as much as it would to any other non-Logia fruit seeing as Marco's fruit shares Logia characteristics ( since the full-Phoenix-form gives the user intangibility - a la when Kizaru's techs went straight through Marco). Hence the Paramecia' & Zoan's listed above Marco in your list wouldn't do shit to a user of that fruit in full-Phoenix-mode. Thus it should be above them.

Just like Ulquiorra I'm pretty sure Marco can't regenerate internal organs of his brain. If you lose your brain ( or part of it ) you're dead. Simple as that. There is a difference between regenerating skin and internal organs. He went into the attack in Phoenix form and therefore Marco "healing" was actually him transforming to his partial transformation.

He lost half his head to Kizaru's attack but managed to regenerate @100%. Furthermore, his internal organs (two different locations) were shot when he was cuffed with SS (meaning he lost his Phoenix powers and tanked was hit by those lasers as a normal human) which means he regenerated his internal organs from a human stand-point.

You make Marco out to be un killable. If this was the case wouldn't he be the strongest character?

Well let's be honest here: I don't. And as for him being the "strongest character". One should know that DF's don't mean as much in the NW if your Haki isn't as strong as the big names' are. Hence he isn't the strongest because there are many out there who can beat him by bypassing he's DF prowess. Moreover, to answer your "un-killable" statement: when Oda incorporates RL myths & legends into his story, he follows it to how it is. And Phoenix are said to to immortal as they 'rise from their ashes'.Just as Marco regenerates through his blue flames. So yes, without Haki/SS, he should literally be "un-killable". But nonetheless, he still is killable due Haki/SS.

If what you say is true his unlimited regeneration would require omnipotent characters to beat him; there are no omnipotent characters in One Piece. If his regeneration has no limits then why is it after being shot twice he couldn't stand up to Akainu like he did with Kizaru? Which is why I believe he can only regenerate below the neck and no more than skin and muscle tissues. He experienced fatigue. Therefore your thoughts of his "amazing regeneration" have been debunked.

It may be true that his weakness is he can't continue to regenerate at fast pace and/or to 100%. But, nevertheless, Kizaru's lasers were obviously Haki infused, meaning that the fatigue came from regenerating after having some of his internal organs being destroyed 'cause of a Haki attack. However, the theory of "neck & above" would be disregarding the Phoenix's legends.

 

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Him surviving that was most definitely not due to his natural physique, but due to his Haki.

Isn't this the case with all haki users? This statement means next to nothing.

Yes, indeed, but that doesn't take away from the fact the fruit still very well increase his physical attributes.
Huh? And I stated otherwise where???

The strength of hot things is the fat they burn, since magma is hotter than all flames except Hydrogen flames ( which by the way are not blue) then Magma > Marcos fire

Fact remains I obviously meant the blue flames are stronger - strength wise.
Also, when you use the meteor example, you should realize that the meteor wouldn't do as much as it would to any other non-Logia fruit seeing as Marco's fruit shares Logia characteristics ( since the full-Phoenix-form gives the user intangibility - a la when Kizaru's techs went straight through Marco). Hence the Paramecia' & Zoan's listed above Marco in your list wouldn't do shit to a user of that fruit in full-Phoenix-mode. Thus it should be above them.

I previously stated heat is Magmas strength : heat is fires strength , Magma is hotter than fire.

Marco is not intangible. He can simply heal. But what use is regeneration if you have no head? Without a brain "telling" your body to heal you can't heal. Devil fruits higher in the list would destroy a meteor. Marco won't be able to with devil fruit power alone.

He lost half his head to Kizaru's attack but managed to regenerate @100%. Furthermore, his internal organs (two different locations) were shot when he was cuffed with SS (meaning he lost his Phoenix powers and tanked was hit by those lasers as a normal human) which means he regenerated his internal organs from a human stand-point.
Well let's be honest here: I don't. And as for him being the "strongest character". One should know that DF's don't mean as much in the NW if your Haki isn't as strong as the big names' are. Hence he isn't the strongest because there are many out there who can beat him by bypassing he's DF prowess. Moreover, to answer your "un-killable" statement: when Oda incorporates RL myths & legends into his story, he follows it to how it is. And Phoenix are said to to immortal as they 'rise from their ashes'.Just as Marco regenerates through his blue flames. So yes, without Haki/SS, he should literally be "un-killable". But nonetheless, he still is killable due Haki/SS.

Actually Marco was transforming into a Phoenix. He experienced pain and fatigue which certifies my statement. His regeneration has limits. It either takes a huge effort or he can only regenerate skin and muscle tissue. The fact he was never as strong as he was vs Kizaru : after he got shot he regenerated. The skin and muscle , otherwise he would have stood up to Akainu , this allowing Jinbe to take Luffy without any trouble. But Akainu didn't need to try to fight Marco. He knew he would lose because he was still injured internally regardless if appearance.

It may be true that his weakness is he can't continue to regenerate at fast pace and/or to 100%. But, nevertheless, Kizaru's lasers were obviously Haki infused, meaning that the fatigue came from regenerating after having some of his internal organs being destroyed 'cause of a Haki attack. However, the theory of "neck & above"

You basically agreed with me just then. He lacks destructive power which WOULD get his fruit on the list : but it isn't on the list because a it can do is allow you to fly and heal minor wounds.

would be disregarding the Phoenix's legends.

No it wouldn't. There is never mention of the Phoenix and regeneration of the head. It is stated it could regenerate but that is all.

 

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Isn't this the case with all haki users? This statement means next to nothing.

And any form of Haki has yet to prove it increases ones speed. Hence that statement means a great deal.

The strength of hot things is the fat they burn, since magma is hotter than all flames except Hydrogen flames ( which by the way are not blue) then Magma > Marcos fire

Using heat and physics as an argument in a OP debate is almost pointless; especially if said debate involves Akainu and fire. Why? because science dictates magma cannot burn through fire, 'cause fire can reach temperatures which would render magma into a hot liquid. But Akainu still burned through Ace's fire-body (mind you Akainu didn't use Haki while doing so) and left a hole in his fiery-body.
Hence Marco's flames aren't hotter, but pure-physical-strength wise, they are stronger.

Marco is not intangible. He can simply heal. But what use is regeneration if you have no head? Without a brain "telling" your body to heal you can't heal. Devil fruits higher in the list would destroy a meteor. Marco won't be able to with devil fruit power alone.

Then explain why Kizaru's techs continued to pass straight through Marco.
A strong DF isn't based on what it can strength wise, but rather all aspects. And Yama Yama no Mi would do shit against a human who uses Rokushiki.
Additionally, you're right about the head part. But, when the user of Marco's DF is in full-Phoenix-mode, it won't matter if there head is blown up 'cause they'll just regenerate it back (just like Marco did when Kizaru destroyed half his head).

You basically agreed with me just then. He lacks destructive power which WOULD get his fruit on the list

Then explain why the Yama Yama no Mi is top when it'd do jack all to someone who uses Fishmen Karate.

but it isn't on the list because a it can do is allow you to fly and heal minor wounds.

>Because having half-a-head is a minor wound?
>Because having two of you internal organs destroyed is a minor wound?

No it wouldn't. There is never mention of the Phoenix and regeneration of the head. It is stated it could regenerate but that is all.

Educate yourself on Phoenix's. 'Cause they are immortal. Why? Simply because once they turn to ash, they are once again reborn via those very ashes; a continuous cycle is their life.
So this exemplifies the way a DF operates and also your theory about pain & fatigue: when a DF's user dies the DF is then reborn into a new fruit - Marco's limit is that he can't continuously regenerate @100% and eventually he's flames (DF power) will fade away (along with his stamina), leading him to an easy death. And thus once he dies, the fruit is reborn.

 

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enrus fruit should be number one, advent of thunder is only able to be beaten by luffy, and that just cause hes rubber, and a boss. I dont think any one can counter advent of thunder.