[Discussion] Top 10 Strongest characters in Dressrosa at the moment (Might upset a few of you)

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1- no zoro`s haki was used to increase the attack power and make him cut a mountain size golem like butter while luffy`s coa combined with haki was only able to destroy the head (ofc you would mention EGG but that is just a repititive move so it dsnt count ) so until luffy show a greater destructive power with his haki zoro `s haki is suprior
2- again no law creating a bigger room dsnt has any thing to do with the df power growing stronger but with his stamina
proof : he used some of his life span to create a gigantic room and he should be able to do the same and creat a large room by sacrficing his life span pre ts it`s not like the DF grow strong it`s just law wasnt strong enough ofc you would try to apply the same logic on the slashs but that wont work considering the slash was already slicing through every thing pre ts
3- for the third time no law combined his haki with the DF to beat vergo his haki didnt play the biggest part it added up to the attack to over come vergo`s haki
4- and now to nail this haki cant be added to law`s df thing you said that law`s slashs and shambles cant be combined with haki right so that should apply to "mes" too right ? yet law used it on smoker and managed to take his heart remember this is mes one of law`s techs which can`t be combined with haki but smok is a logia so he cant be touched with out haki so how did law manage to take his heart if he didnt combine mes with haki ?
debating with you is like trying to convince a real madrid fan that messi > ronaldo no matter what they will look for some non sense to spout and stay in denial mode so iam going to stop here .
1. That doesn't say Zoro's Haki is superior, but that that move has an area of effect that is greater than Luffy's. For all we know, Luffy's Haki is capable of accomplishing the same thing. I'm also hesitant to count cutting the golem as a Haki feat for Zoro due to the fact that he was being thrown at the speed of sound at the time, which create a large amount of momentum which means more force.

2. And the concept that a DF power cannot be improved on is completely baseless. Nowhere in the manga does it state that a DF's strength is static. The fact that Luffy trained his DF implies that your DF can indeed grow stronger.

3/4. Law's Mes worked on Smoker because Mes is a move that has physical contact, specifically with the palm of his hand. Law can use Haki in conjunction with Mes because he can use Mes and Haki simultaneously on the same hand. Law didn't imbue Haki into Mes, he laced his hand with Haki and then performed Mes with that same hand, allowing him to touch Smoker which allowed Mes to take effect.

His cutting power and Shambles are different. When Law Shambles something or cuts it with his DF's cutting ability from a distance, there isn't any physical contact, there's no physical medium where Law imbues Haki into and then has touch the opponent while activating the fruit's power. There's no way to do that with Shambles, and the only way to use Haki simultaneously with his cutting ability like he did with Mes would be to do the cut by touching the opponent with his sword while in close quarter combat while the sword is laced in Haki and while releasing the Devil Fruit's power at the same time. A long-distance cut and Shambles can't be imbued, combined, or enhanced with Haki.

The only way used Haki when he cut Vergo was if Law coated his sword with invisible Haki and when Vergo was in close quarters, the blade of the sword touched Vergo while releasing Law's fruit power while simultaneously being laced with Haki. The invisible Haki bypassed his Full Body Koka while the blade simultaneously released a cut, cutting Vergo. This means what Zoro needed Koka to do, Law could do with his invisible Haki. This would put Law's Haki above Zoro's, as Vergo was portrayed to be stronger than Pica.

If Law didn't use Haki, that means that Law's powers are capable of affecting Haki without Haki aiding them. Either way, that means Law should be capable of affecting Zoro.

Now for the bolded part. Do you even understand how debating works? I mean, if you're no longer interested in the debate and you wanna drop it, then drop it, but don't try to insult my intelligence with a statement that makes no sense for more than one reason. First, you're coming at me because I'm replying to you with rebuttals in a debate. We know that you think you're right, but that doesn't mean you are. If I have a way to rebuttal, then I will. That's how debates work, it's not the other person sucking your ass on how right you are, it's them arguing back.

Secondly, you're doing the same thing. You can't exactly take an ad hominem jab for someone responding in a debate with rebuttals when you are also rebuttalling. Surely, I don't have to explain why that doesn't exactly pan out well for you.

Thirdly, the fact that you're even using ad hominem and with such arrogance. What I say is nonsense simply because it's against what you want to be correct? Here's a word of advice you should take in mind the next time you get into a debate with anyone: If you need to insult or otherwise put them down, aka ad hominem, in order to get your point across or while getting your point across, especially if you're doing it as a "I'm right and you're stupidly wrong" like this, then you've lost the debate.

See if Doffy looses to a weaker attack by Luffy than Law's best attack, then I would agree with you. But that ain't going to happen. Weaker Doffy or not. Luffy is going to produce a stronger attack. Wait and watch
I doubt Luffy has a one-hit attack that can kill you, but okay.
 

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When did:
1. Law admit inferiority to Luffy? If you're referring to the miracles/middle finger page, Law was clearly goading Doflamingo in order to create the opening for Gamma Knife. He told Luffy he had a plan, and he suspected this plan to put down Doflamingo. Law's whole "The Strawhats will put you down" were sweet nothings because he expected himself to put down Doffy with Gamma Knife. When Luffy was about to charge Doffy, Law told him to stop because "Doffy was his."
Law would have died sooner if Doflamingo felt like it or not saved by plot. A simple example is how Doflamingo smh missed the vitals when he could have easily killed Law by targetting the head against a Law on the floor and if it happened, Law wouldn't even have had the chance to use his gamma knife trick strategy with Luffy's help as distraction. He was in a dying state during that phase with no way to escape death, yet he admitted Luffy was the one who could defeat Doffy and thus admitting inferiority to the strawhat. It was an implied inferiority there that will be shown with actual facts. Naturally if Law had the chance to kill Doffy, he'd prefer to be the one. Doesn't mean however that he actually could

2. Vergo block cuts with his Koka?

That's a fair point about Luffy putting his physical strength in conjunction with Buso to make Doffy reel, same as he did with the Boa sisters. However, that'd imply that Doffy's physical strength is pretty significantly below Luffy's. The same "Strength doesn't mean COA" thing can also apply to Doffy damaging Luffy. How do you know that's because Doffy's Koka was above Luffy's and not that Doffy's leg had sufficient strength and speed to it due to being cocked back to overcome Luffy's physical strength? Doffy blocking Luffy's leg without budging is also a testament that Luffy's strength is not that far above Doffy's, if at all. Them stalemating with the leg moment is testament that their physical strength may not be that far apart.
Not really considering Doffy's armament actually didn't break when Luffy was hitting him(unlike in Doffy kick-Luffy's guard case). He was just feeling the physical strength of the punches.

Besides, the actions were similar

1- Doffy with COA kicks through Luffy's guard -> Luffy's COA breaks and is sent flying
2- Luffy with COA kicks Doffy's COA guard -> Doffy doesn't budge an inch

Conclusion Doffy's armament > Luffy's
 

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Law would have died sooner if Doflamingo felt like it or not saved by plot. A simple example is how Doflamingo smh missed the vitals when he could have easily killed Law by targetting the head against a Law on the floor and if it happened, Law wouldn't even have had the chance to use his gamma knife trick strategy with Luffy's help as distraction. He was in a dying state during that phase with no way to escape death, yet he admitted Luffy was the one who could defeat Doffy and thus admitting inferiority to the strawhat. It was an implied inferiority there that will be shown with actual facts. Naturally if Law had the chance to kill Doffy, he'd prefer to be the one. Doesn't mean however that he actually could


Not really considering Doffy's armament actually didn't break when Luffy was hitting him(unlike in Doffy kick-Luffy's guard case). He was just feeling the physical strength of the punches.

Besides, the actions were similar

1- Doffy with COA kicks through Luffy's guard -> Luffy's COA breaks and is sent flying
2- Luffy with COA kicks Doffy's COA guard -> Doffy doesn't budge an inch

Conclusion Doffy's armament > Luffy's
1. Doffy shooting Law in places that weren't his vitals due to his sadism and anger towards Law have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Law admitted inferiority to Luffy. Law knows Doffy wouldn't kill him right away out of his sadistic nature, and his desire to be made immortal with the Ope Ope no Mi. That's why Law had the Room up while taunting Doffy, he was trying to goad Doffy into doing just that. Doffy expressed that he views himself as faaar above Luffy and in the same breath expressed that the thing he resents most is being looked down upon and disrespected. Law knew that by saying he'd be defeated by Luffy, he'd be doing the latter, pushing Doffy's buttons and pissing him off enough to start shooting at Law. He took a gamble, and it worked.

2. Actually, in this panel here, we see Luffy punch Doffy with a normal punch, not one that was enhanced by stretching.
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Doffy's neck is covered in Koka, but his face/head isn't, which could mean that Luffy broke Doffy's as well, unless the Haki is that black patch right there.

Either way, when Doffy delivered the kick to Luffy's face, he didn't actually break Luffy's Koka. I don't know where you're getting that from.
 

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Whoever scared Koala aside ...

1. Fujitora

2. Sabo

3. Doflamingo

Idk where Burgess fits in :/ cuz so far he's been meh but guven his status he should be quite high

4. Luffy
4.1. Law

5. Zoro

6. Idk how to place the fodder :/ Barto, Cabbage, Pica, Chinjao ... Ah who the hell cares they are far below anyway :/

I have a hunch Burgess would win in an all-out fight because he's an EOS villain.
It is also possible that Sabo will get Akainu for his eos enemy :)

... Okay way too many posts to try to answer them on my phone :/
 
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1. Fuji
2. Sabo
3. Luffy ( a little into the future, roughly five chapter from this weeks)
4. Doflamingo
5. Zoro/Law/Burgess
6. Pica
7. Trebol
Rest...
Out of rosa
8. Vergo/Sanji

This is pretty accurate going by well planned out future measures.
 

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2. Sabo
3. Doflamingo
4. Burgess
5. Luffy
6. Law
7. Zoro
8. Kyros
9. Pica
10. Hakuba or any of the two top executives.
 

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Haki not strong enough?

And since when can Kryos exceed law's mountain cutting power?

His assimilated hand is the size of a city.
He has shown nothing that makes him impressive at all except for hiding in his giant rocks and not being able to hit or scratch zoro not even one time, the moment he got away from his rocks he was beaten immediately without being able to lift a finger, and u dont need to exceed law's mountain cutting power to beat someone like Pica, not even zoro has exceed that yet.

Not really his hand was not even the size of the king riku plateu which is not even close to being as big as a city, it was more of a hyperbole used by usopp nothing more or less, a full healthy kyros would slice and dice Pica, simple as that.
 

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He has shown nothing that makes him impressive at all except for hiding in his giant rocks and not being able to hit or scratch zoro not even one time, the moment he got away from his rocks he was beaten immediately without being able to lift a finger, and u dont need to exceed law's mountain cutting power to beat someone like Pica, not even zoro has exceed that yet.

Not really his hand was not even the size of the king riku plateu which is not even close to being as big as a city, it was more of a hyperbole used by usopp nothing more or less, a full healthy kyros would slice and dice Pica, simple as that.

None of your points actually makes him weaker than Kyros. Zoro being too strong for him =/= Pica being weaker. Kyuros gets crushed by Pica period.
 

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He has shown nothing that makes him impressive at all except for hiding in his giant rocks and not being able to hit or scratch zoro not even one time, the moment he got away from his rocks he was beaten immediately without being able to lift a finger, and u dont need to exceed law's mountain cutting power to beat someone like Pica, not even zoro has exceed that yet.

Not really his hand was not even the size of the king riku plateu which is not even close to being as big as a city, it was more of a hyperbole used by usopp nothing more or less, a full healthy kyros would slice and dice Pica, simple as that.
There's nothing Kyros can do about his golem form. Could Kyros beat Pica in pure, 1 vs 1 close combat? Most likely. But that's not how Pica is gonna fight, and you know it. Pica buries Kyros alive.
 

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He has shown nothing that makes him impressive at all except for hiding in his giant rocks and not being able to hit or scratch zoro not even one time, the moment he got away from his rocks he was beaten immediately without being able to lift a finger, and u dont need to exceed law's mountain cutting power to beat someone like Pica, not even zoro has exceed that yet.

Not really his hand was not even the size of the king riku plateu which is not even close to being as big as a city, it was more of a hyperbole used by usopp nothing more or less, a full healthy kyros would slice and dice Pica, simple as that.
and why exactly do you think that kyros would fare any better ? the guy got pushed to his limits by a spike balls xD
pica would crush kyros and diamante at the same time that is just how weak this two are
 

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None of your points actually makes him weaker than Kyros. Zoro being too strong for him =/= Pica being weaker. Kyuros gets crushed by Pica period.
First of all Zoro isnt some hyper upper duper top tier, no not really, zoro is a high tier fighter somewhere in the same ballpark as Luffy and Kyros isnt far behind he was shown to beat an top executive even though he had been handicapped and fighting with only one leg, The thing that if no one has not shown any high cutting or big destroying moves doesnt mean that he cant do those but he choose not to because of the opponent in hand being different, u probably didnt think Zoro would ever pull something like he pulled against Pica before seeing it, the opponent made him fight the way he did, if we go by that logic of your's then Pica golem form > Marco...

There's nothing Kyros can do about his golem form. Could Kyros beat Pica in pure, 1 vs 1 close combat? Most likely. But that's not how Pica is gonna fight, and you know it. Pica buries Kyros alive.
I already explained how it works, not showing it doesnt mean he cant, if we actually go by ur logic there is a shit ton of people in OP that has not shown anything that can do against a golem form, I can list u people even top tiers that would get buried by Pica, oh and yea in 1 v 1 close combat he would get the same treatment possibly by even sanji at this rate.

and why exactly do you think that kyros would fare any better ? the guy got pushed to his limits by a spike balls xD
pica would crush kyros and diamante at the same time that is just how weak this two are
Not going to give a proper answer to this unless u stop riding Zoro.
 
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