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[Senju Bean]

They are comrades if you consider them to be comrades. Katsuyu is Tsunade's comrade.. but you people believe the summons to be part of their power..

Kurama is Naruto's comrade.. everyone says Kurama is Naruto's power.......

Yea the entire village follows what the Hokage says. If they are strong enough to voice out they will, just like with Edo tensei, if they are strong enough to go against it they will.

So then why didn't Tsunade just use the entire leaf village against Madara when she realized she was outmatched?

Kabuto would have summoned all his minions if he realized he was outmatched. So why didn't Tsunade? Could it be that she couldn't?

 

[KingHashirama]

So then why didn't Tsunade just use the entire leaf village against Madara when she realized she was outmatched?

Kabuto would have summoned all his minions if he realized he was outmatched. So why didn't Tsunade?

Same reason Naruto didn't summon the frogs in the war arc..

Yea.. he sure did summon all his minions against Itachi and Sasuke, i guess 2 vs 1 isn't outmatched.

 

[Pirate King]

Nagato > sauce :L

 

[3MESSIAH]

i cant ****ing believe it!! your list is exactly the same as mine! literally the same :hyper:

never thought i would live to see the day

 

[Senju Bean]

Same reason Naruto didn't summon the frogs in the war arc..

Yea.. he sure did summon all his minions against Itachi and Sasuke, i guess 2 vs 1 isn't outmatched.

No the only reason why he didn't summon the Edos was because Itachi's Izanami was purely a sneak attack. Kabuto never even saw it coming.

If Kabuto was matched against say, Madara, I'm sure Kabuto would just summon all his Edo's when he realizes that he is losing to Madara. While it may not allow him to win, it would probably hold Madara back enough for Kabuto to make his escape.

Tsunade cannot do the same thing since she has no Justu that can get them to the battle field instantly. That is why her army doesn't count as her power. There are just too many situations where they cannot be readily used.

 

[KingHashirama]

No the only reason why he didn't summon the Edos was because Itachi's Izanami was purely a sneak attack. Kabuto never even saw it coming.

If Kabuto was matched against say, Madara, I'm sure Kabuto would just summon all his Edo's when he realizes that he is losing to Madara. While it may not allow him to win, it would probably hold Madara back enough for Kabuto to make his escape.

Tsunade cannot do the same thing since she has no Justu that can get them to the battle field instantly. That is why her army doesn't count as her power. There are just too many situations where they cannot be readily used.

he was still out matched my friend. =]

Oh but the thing is if Madara was matched against the likes of Kabutoo with edo army, he'll bring the uchiha to face the other shinobi.

But who said she has to get them to the battle instantly? .

You guys don't even know what a summoning jutsu is.. summoning jutsu is simply a s/t jutsu. It doesn't make the person you summoned part of your own power. In fact when the 3 sanins called upon their summons they always asked for help. EVEN OROCHIMARU!

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Prime Juubi shits on all of them at once.

 

[Senju Bean]

he was still out matched my friend. =]

Oh but the thing is if Madara was matched against the likes of Kabutoo with edo army, he'll bring the uchiha to face the other shinobi.

But who said she has to get them to the battle instantly? .

You guys don't even know what a summoning jutsu is.. summoning jutsu is simply a s/t jutsu. It doesn't make the person you summoned part of your own power. In fact when the 3 sanins called upon their summons they always asked for help. EVEN OROCHIMARU!

No he wouldn't because Kabuto would just summon them all at once, and Madara would need time to get the other Uchiha to the battle field. Why didn't Kakashi just call Minato to the battlefield against those Mist ninja? It's because he couldn't.

Why didn't Hizuzen use his backup against Oro and his Edos? It because his army wasn't part of his power! If it was, he could use them anytime, anywhere.

Of course Tsunade needs to get them to the battle instantly. How else would she save herself?

Like I said, for anything to count as a person's power, it needs to be able to be used readily. Konan's billion paper bombs doesn't count precisesly because she's not able to use it readily to other situations.

 

[Minator93]

Taking the hype into account:

1. RS Obito.

2. Prime Hiruzen.

3. SM Hashirama.

4. VOTE Madara with Kurama or Current Madara.

5. Minato Namikaze with Hiraishin, Fuuin mastery and contract seal to mess up with ET users.

6. Tobirama with Hiraishin and Edo Tensei.

7. Orochimaru with Edo Tensei.

8. Kabuto with Edo Tensei.

9. BSM Naruto.

10. Rinnegan Nagato.

 

[HiddenSound]

I don't think Orochimaru should be that high, but overall pretty nice.

he was still out matched my friend. =]

Oh but the thing is if Madara was matched against the likes of Kabutoo with edo army, he'll bring the uchiha to face the other shinobi.

But who said she has to get them to the battle instantly? .

You guys don't even know what a summoning jutsu is.. summoning jutsu is simply a s/t jutsu. It doesn't make the person you summoned part of your own power. In fact when the 3 sanins called upon their summons they always asked for help. EVEN OROCHIMARU!

Totally irrelevant. Edo Tensei is a power Kabuto and Orochimaru can use, whether any of us like it or not. To take away a power from someone just because you don't think they should have it is ridiculous.

 

[KingHashirama]

No he wouldn't because Kabuto would just summon them all at once, and Madara would need time to get the other Uchiha to the battle field. Why didn't Kakashi just call Minato to the battlefield against those Mist ninja? It's because he couldn't.

Why didn't Hizuzen use his backup against Oro and his Edos? It because his army wasn't part of his power! If it was, he could use them anytime, anywhere.

Of course Tsunade needs to get them to the battle instantly. How else would she save herself?

Like I said, for anything to count as a person's power, it needs to be able to be used readily. Konan's billion paper bombs doesn't count precisesly because she's not able to use it readily to other situations.

So you are saying Kabuto can't summon them via summoning jutsu at different times?

Hiruzen couldn't use back up rofl. On top of that he did use King Enma... HIS COMRADE.


Why can't she run to them and meet with them? Hashirama can transport the people to him on Mokuton....

"it needs to be used readily".. but here is the thing, Edo tensei requires a dead body.... but now the question is which edo tensei counts? Edo tensei normally like Kabuto can summon at any time, is the same concept as Hashirama having his clan with him everytime. Because you are skipping the prep time. Or does Edo tensei start from where you first summon them?

On top of that Sage frog Ma can summon Naruto + other frogs.. so shouldn't she be up there also?

As I have said many times before, stop using logic that you people contradict yourself in. A person's own power comes from within his/herself. Not be manipulating another shinobi... The ability to manipulate is their power.. but the shinobi itself is not.

I don't think Orochimaru should be that high, but overall pretty nice.



Totally irrelevant. Edo Tensei is a power Kabuto and Orochimaru can use, whether any of us like it or not. To take away a power from someone just because you don't think they should have it is ridiculous.

Konoha is something Hashirama made with his own power, whether you like it or not.

Becoming the leader of the Uchiha clan is something Madara became with his own power, whether you like it or not.

they have the power to tell them to go to battle and they will.


Not only that you believe Edo tensei = the dead shinobi summoned by Edo tensei... when in reality Edo tensei is a jutsu that allows you to bring back the dead and gives you the ability to control them. THAT IS EDO TENSEI THE JUTSU. However, by the logic you guys use Hashirama is also part of Orochimaru's power.. even though Hashirama breaks that sh*t easily...

 

[HiddenSound]

So you are saying Kabuto can't summon them via summoning jutsu at different times?

Hiruzen couldn't use back up rofl. On top of that he did use King Enma... HIS COMRADE.


Why can't she run to them and meet with them? Hashirama can transport the people to him on Mokuton....

"it needs to be used readily".. but here is the thing, Edo tensei requires a dead body.... but now the question is which edo tensei counts? Edo tensei normally like Kabuto can summon at any time, is the same concept as Hashirama having his clan with him everytime. Because you are skipping the prep time. Or does Edo tensei start from where you first summon them?

On top of that Sage frog Ma can summon Naruto + other frogs.. so shouldn't she be up there also?

As I have said many times before, stop using logic that you people contradict yourself in. A person's own power comes from within his/herself. Not be manipulating another shinobi... The ability to manipulate is their power.. but the shinobi itself is not.

Konoha is something Hashirama made with his own power, whether you like it or not.

Becoming the leader of the Uchiha clan is something Madara became with his own power, whether you like it or not.

they have the power to tell them to go to battle and they will.

You're serious? You're still clinging to that absurd "logic"? If that's the best you can do, this is over. If you want to say "I win" or anything like that, go ahead, I'm not about to argue how wrong you are.

 

[KingHashirama]

You're serious? You're still clinging to that absurd "logic"? If that's the best you can do, this is over. If you want to say "I win" or anything like that, go ahead, I'm not about to argue how wrong you are.

See you can't call my logic absurd, because it doesn't contradict.. Yours however does.

The fact is you can't provide anything against it.. hell you guys have ignored all the questions i asked. O_O

 

[-Punk-]

IMO Minato & Nagato are still stronger than Naruto & Sauske , so I would put them above , other than that pretty good list .

 

[Senju Bean]

So you are saying Kabuto can't summon them via summoning jutsu at different times?

Hiruzen couldn't use back up rofl. On top of that he did use King Enma... HIS COMRADE.


Why can't she run to them and meet with them? Hashirama can transport the people to him on Mokuton....

"it needs to be used readily".. but here is the thing, Edo tensei requires a dead body.... but now the question is which edo tensei counts? Edo tensei normally like Kabuto can summon at any time, is the same concept as Hashirama having his clan with him everytime. Because you are skipping the prep time. Or does Edo tensei start from where you first summon them?

On top of that Sage frog Ma can summon Naruto + other frogs.. so shouldn't she be up there also?

As I have said many times before, stop using logic that you people contradict yourself in. A person's own power comes from within his/herself. Not be manipulating another shinobi... The ability to manipulate is their power.. but the shinobi itself is not.

Konoha is something Hashirama made with his own power, whether you like it or not.

Becoming the leader of the Uchiha clan is something Madara became with his own power, whether you like it or not.

they have the power to tell them to go to battle and they will.


Not only that you believe Edo tensei = the dead shinobi summoned by Edo tensei... when in reality Edo tensei is a jutsu that allows you to bring back the dead and gives you the ability to control them. THAT IS EDO TENSEI THE JUTSU. However, by the logic you guys use Hashirama is also part of Orochimaru's power.. even though Hashirama breaks that sh*t easily...

She cannot run to them because Susanoo would cut her down the moment her back is turned.

If Hashirama can indeed transport people to him at a moments notice, in a reasonable amount of time, then I guess I have no choice but to agree, but only for the case of Hashirama.

There is prep time for everything. Literally everything. You can't use that as a argument against me.

It's the readiness of something that decides whether it can count as someone's power. Edo Tensei summons count because once prepped for, it can be used in nearly any situation. Gathering a standing army, once prepped for, cannot be used in way too many situations( e.g assaination attempts at Summits, sneak attack in the Hokage's estate etc. )

It's all about the readiness.

 

[Penguin]

There is no way in hell Nagato or Minato [unless it is BM Minato] beats BM or BSM Naruto. Nagato + Minato << BM or BSM Naruto.

I don't think Orochimaru should be that high, but overall pretty nice.



Totally irrelevant. Edo Tensei is a power Kabuto and Orochimaru can use, whether any of us like it or not. To take away a power from someone just because you don't think they should have it is ridiculous.

You forgot Tobirama. Scum. <3

 

[KingHashirama]

She cannot run to them because Susanoo would cut her down the moment her back is turned.

If Hashirama can indeed transport people to him at a moments notice, in a reasonable amount of time, then I guess I have no choice but to agree, but only for the case of Hashirama.

There is prep time for everything. Literally everything. You can't use that as a argument against me.

It's the readiness of something that decides whether it can count as someone's power. Edo Tensei summons count because once prepped for, it can be used in nearly any situation. Gathering a standing army, once prepped for, cannot be used in way too many situations( e.g assaination attempts at Summits, sneak attack in the Hokage's estate etc. )

It's all about the readiness.

Then its the same with Kabuto.. he can't summon them because the moment he does Susanoo would cut him down.

No sir, its not only for Hashirama..... its for everyone. Did Tsunade not use her chakra to protect everyone from the shinra tensei? She embodied the quote of Hashirama, " The fellow countrymen of the village make up each part of my body..."

Yea but how does the jutsu to summon = the person you summon is your power?

Summoning jutsu can't be used in a assassination attempts either.... unless the assassin is to slow.. then its the same as army coming to help you out.. in the end the only defense you have is "time"...... which is quite irrelevant when Summoning jutsu is a S/T technique.. its only pupose is to teleport stuff.. you people somehow think its connected with the summons also.

 

[Flawž]

IMO Minato & Nagato are still stronger than Naruto & Sauske , so I would put them above , other than that pretty good list .

naruto already beat pain and countered the entire rinnegan with Sage mode. I think BSM is more than enough to take on nagato. BSM is too raw for minato as well. Minato may have FTG but that wont do much to naruto, a guy who tanked a Juubi's laser TBB with just his cloak.

I don't think Orochimaru should be that high, but overall pretty nice.

Well Orochimaru with Tobirama, Hiruzen and Minato can be a serious threat. It's pretty debatable with hashirama and Madara but he could possibly pull off a win.

 

[Senju Bean]

Then its the same with Kabuto.. he can't summon them because the moment he does Susanoo would cut him down.

No sir, its not only for Hashirama..... its for everyone. Did Tsunade not use her chakra to protect everyone from the shinra tensei? She embodied the quote of Hashirama, " The fellow countrymen of the village make up each part of my body..."

Yea but how does the jutsu to summon = the person you summon is your power?

Summoning jutsu can't be used in a assassination attempts either.... unless the assassin is to slow.. then its the same as army coming to help you out.. in the end the only defense you have is "time"...... which is quite irrelevant when Summoning jutsu is a S/T technique.. its only pupose is to teleport stuff.. you people somehow think its connected with the summons also.

Are you seriously comparing the amount of time it takes to do a few hand seals to the time it takes to run across many, possibly hundreds of, miles?

Kabuto with SM reflexes and speed can most likely do those seals in less than a second.


Yes it can. Say Kabuto showed up, instead of Sasuke, at the 5 kage summit and decided to summon all the Edos at once to take out Danzo, guess what? He would succeed.

It's not the same as an army because anyone blind can spot a large army, marching to it's target. Way too noticible.

On the other hand, Kabuto slips in quietly, then summons all Edo's at once. That's the difference.

"Yea but how does the jutsu to summon = the person you summon is your power? "

It does if the person you summon is on your side.

 

[Lay]

I totally agree