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how'd you figure that? where did you ever get that logic that his Rinnegan can defeat Madara's?

Sasuke can swap (only short distance I might add) and see Madara's Dimensional selves. What else does he have?

Madara has Indra's chakra, adds Ashura's, unlocks a Rinnegan

Sasuke has Indra's chakra, receives Hagoromo's, unlocks a Tomoe Rinnegan

Madara = Indra + Ashura

Sasuke = Indra + Hagoromo

See the vast difference ? Sasuke has a more evolved Rinnegan closer to Kaguya's RinneSharingan because he has more Yin. If he was a JuubJin, his Rinnegan would be superior to JJ Madara's.
 

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She blocked his ability to use chakra? You really think so? She paralysed them. Naruto used his chakra arms to counter.

Yes she did, paralysis happens when you block chakra, read part 1 where Neji blocks Hinata and Naruto's chakra points.

Look at the scan, Kaguya is using her Byakugan for the chakra fists, suggesting they're a Byakugan tech. Naruto essentially requires Six Path Senjutsu to match a Byakugan powered by Six Path Senjutsu
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While Sasuke couldn't do so because it's been stated anything made of chakra can be destroyed by Jyuuken
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She undid his susanoo? She is arguably the most powerful person in NV. Sasuke said so himself she has a ridiculous amount of chakra. She smashed his susanoo with raw chakra. Destroyed the whole thing. Would not be the first person to break susanoo. Combined IA and Naruto's attack undid susanoo. I didnt see a byakugan anywhere.
Again. Sigh

You mention raw chakra, but again, you're ignoring the fact Hamura inherited her chakra like Hagoromo. He had Six Path Senjutsu and therefore the raw power to match his brother's feats unlike Kaguya who displayed the ability to overpower them.

Yin = Yang, idk how many times this has to be emphasized. Hamura is Hagoromo's equal like Indra being Ashura's and Senju being Uchiha's.
 

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Yes she did, paralysis happens when you block chakra, read part 1 where Neji blocks Hinata and Naruto's chakra points.



Raw chakra, but again, it doesn't change the fact the chakra fists she was using were a Byakugan tech and that Hamura inherited her chakra like Hagoromo. He had Six Path Senjutsu and therefore the raw power to match his brother. Yin = Yang, idk how many times this has to be emphasized.

She was absorbing their chakra not blocking it. Different story. Paralysis happening when you block someone's chakra is fanfiction. Naruto could move when neji blocked his chakra points and so could hinata. Don't compare kaguya's techniques to that fodder one.

Chakra fists being a byakugan tech is also pure fanfiction. Naruto did something similar and I don't see byakugan on him. They can manipulate pure chakra deal with it. Don't compare that to fodder gentle fist. Sheesh.

Her byakugan being active while she does her tech doesn't mean they are byakugan tech. Every time sasuke uses katon with his sharingan active is it a byakugan tech?

EVEN BORUTO CAN USE GENTLE FIST. I don't see a byakugan

Hamura being hagoromo's equal doesn't not mean byakugan = Rinnegan. Sasuke = Naruto but sasuke's eyes > Naruto's.
Hamura makes up in other aspects. Their eyes do not have to be equals.
 
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Except Hamura inherited Kaguya's chakra like his brother. I repeat Kaguya's

and your point is he didn't inherit the Perfect dojutsu and mastery of chakra i repeat Perfect Dojutsu and mastery of chakra

Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack (八十神空撃, Yasogami Kūgeki) is a Kekkei Mora taijutsu used by Kaguya, made possible by her mastery of chakra. She loads chakra into her palm, and then unleashes it as a barrage of countless fists. The fist attacks can also be used defensively, and when coupled with Kaguya's perfect dojutsu, it has the potential to become the strongest offensive ability. The Hyuga clan uses a similar vacuum palm attack, Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm, but there is a wide gulf in power between the two. -FF-Suzaku
 

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and your point is he didn't inherit the Perfect dojutsu and mastery of chakra i repeat Perfect Dojutsu and mastery of chakra

Exactly what I'm trying to tell this guy. The technique is because of her mastery of chakra. Just because she uses it with byakugan does not mean it's a byakugan tech. The byakugan helps. Just like with gentle fist. But as BORUTO has shown us, even without the byakugan, you can still use gentle fist.
 

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Exactly what I'm trying to tell this guy. The technique is because of her mastery of chakra. Just because she uses it with byakugan does not mean it's a byakugan tech. The byakugan helps. Just like with gentle fist. But as BORUTO has shown us, even without the byakugan, you can still use gentle fist.

it is a Byakugan tech but only kaguya can perform considering their are more requirements than just byakgan

its like Indra's arrow which is perfect Susanoo jutsu but also requires Rinnegan gedo path to use bijuus chakra
 

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it is a Byakugan tech but only kaguya can perform considering their are more requirements than just byakgan

its like Indra's arrow which is perfect Susanoo jutsu but also requires Rinnegan gedo path to use bijuus chakra

"When coupled with kaguya's perfect dojutsu, it has the potential to become the strongest offensive ability".

Not a byakugan tech. She can do it regardless.the byakugan helps.
 

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She was absorbing their chakra not blocking it.

You're referring to a different moment, I was talking about this scene, she clearly blocked Sasuke's ability to use chakra
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Different story. Paralysis happening when you block someone's chakra is fanfiction. Naruto could move when neji blocked his chakra points and so could hinata. Don't compare kaguya's techniques to that fodder one.

I don't mean complete paralysis in a literal sense but it affects your physical ability because the chakra throughout the body gets scrambled
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Naruto was struggling to stand up his arms after having his chakra points blocked
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Same goes for Hinata
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Likewise, when chakra rods block your chakra points lthe person is unable to move, Naruto required Kurama to undo its effects just like he required Kurama to undo the damage of Neji's taijutsu
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Chakra fists being a byakugan tech is also pure fanfiction. Naruto did something similar and I don't see byakugan on him. They can manipulate pure chakra deal with it. Don't compare that to fodder gentle fist. Sheesh.


Nope, her chakra fists are not the same as chakra arms. Whenever she uses chakra fists her Byakugan activates, and they're not linked to her chakra cloak like Naruto's arms, they're done using her palm.
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Still I see people dont understand how Byakugan works. Byakugan is complementary/support doujutsu, its unlike Sharingan or Rinnegan that holds a technique. SSama need to understand this.

Otsutsuki and Hyuuga learned the technique that cooperate with their Doujutsu benefit/ability.
 

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"When coupled with kaguya's perfect dojutsu, it has the potential to become the strongest offensive ability".

Not a byakugan tech. She can do it regardless.the byakugan helps.

It's taijutsu its rawest form and we know Hamura inherited the taijutsu feats.
 

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"When coupled with kaguya's perfect dojutsu, it has the potential to become the strongest offensive ability".

Not a byakugan tech. She can do it regardless.the byakugan helps.

don't see how it requires Rinnesharingan so its talking about her byakugan which is kekkei mora aka perfect dojutsu
 

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You're referring to a different moment, I was talking about this scene, she clearly blocked Sasuke's ability to use chakra
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I don't see her blocking his chakra there, she hit vital points in the birds wings preventing him from flying.

Likewise, when chakra rods block your chakra points lthe person is unable to move, Naruto required Kurama to undo its effects just like he required Kurama to undo the damage of Neji's taijutsu
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Chakra rods are different, in addition to blocking chakra points, they also transmit the users(rinnegan user) chakra into the victim to paralyse them.




Nope, her chakra fists are not the same as chakra arms. Whenever she uses chakra fists her Byakugan activates, and they're not linked to her chakra cloak like Naruto's arms.

I don't even have to argue much here. Read the databook entry someone posted above. Not a byakugan tech
 

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don't see how it requires Rinnesharingan so its talking about her byakugan which is kekkei mora aka perfect dojutsu

I know, i'm talking about the byakugan. It's simple english. "When used with the byakugan" means theres an option to not use it with the byakugan which = Not a byakugan tech. Not even sure they are referring to the byakugan there.
 
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also @rawest form of taijutsu when it uses chakra lmao
 

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Still I see people dont understand how Byakugan works. Byakugan is complementary/support doujutsu, its unlike Sharingan or Rinnegan that holds a technique. SSama need to understand this.

Otsutsuki and Hyuuga learned the technique that cooperate with their Doujutsu benefit/ability.

Yes but special taijutsu and Byakugan come together, Kaguya's feat was taijutsu with raw power. She activates her Byakugan whenever using the fists and they're not the same as chakra arms Naruto uses, you can clearly see the differences.

In addition, Naruto not displaying her ability to use chakra fists like her shows that Hagoromo didn't have that ability, logically because it would have gone to Hamura who inherited his Kaguya's chakra and the ability to destroy anything made of chakra along with the Byakugan.
 

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I know, i'm talking about the byakugan. It's simple english. "When used with the byakugan" means theres an option to not use it with the byakugan which = Not a byakugan tech. Not even sure they are referring to the byakugan there.

Technically you can use gentle fist without the Byakugan, but it doesn't change the fact it's still an ability only poeple from the Hyuga lineage are capable of.

The same would go for chakra fists, Kaguya uses it with Byakugan, but the ability would have gone to one of her children since her powers were divided between them.
 
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