Did they tell how old were the clones or how many? On top of it the clones had made their own clones and while shin was also shown using the others as organ donors killing previous ones. { that spin off is still a spin off not the original manga }
Given how Orochimaru mentions that Shin was once a child, its safe to say that age like normal people.
Orochimaru said that he made many clones with Shin and said that one had in his lab was the last of them. Implying that Shin took the rest and the kids were them. The one in Orochimaru lab looked about the same age as the other kids.
Even if Shin did leave before the main story that still means Orochimaru had that one Uchiha clone in his possession yet never used took over his body.
Not in the least. That contradiction in your claim and conclusion was another example of flaw in your logic..
I mean does it really matter to the topic?
Shikamaru wasn't a sand nin.
Gaara was the one who claimed the one-tails was a spirit of the priest. Not Shikamaru.
Not applicable for the manga at all. that was for movie makers who wanted their childhood love crap while Kishi himself hadn't rushed in for any relationship.
Kishi had admitted himself that he pressured them to not have Naruto and Hinata's relationship naturally develop for that very reason.
Nope. I would believe if I saw a really fair and real list of retcons and compare it with other series which was equally dense and fleshed out universe and long enough to judge it fairly. But I haven't. Instead if I compare the same amount of panels and story progression in two series then Naruto comes of more packed with deeper personality characterization in shorter period of time and shows more complex plot than most of them. I have said it before - most weekly mangas start tripping as they cross the 100 chapters. They become somewhat repetitive in one way or another and power levels too keep on increasing. And since other mangas are neither being scrutinized that badly nor are that popular on internet, obviously you will see more results for Naruto.
# Naruto is named because it was among the most popular ( and often the top most) series on several internet forums. It got highest scrutiny in last decade while people ignore problem in other mangas.
# The most important factor that augments such an idea are people who exaggerate everything and call even normal plot progression as retcon. One example is highlighted in your post itself and I will come to it. I will bold & star it like this "**" to mark it. .
Even in the cases when you guys are shown direct manga page of overshadowing you are back with the same claim next time around disregarding the correction of facts last time. For some strange reason many of this group believe there are some kind of rule book for plot progression and these rules must be followed to be called good writing. Anything that doesn't follow their idea of how the story should have progressed and any twist or turn that writer take is a sin in their eyes.
# Third factor- because the final story was revealed in several steps many people started making theories of how the character would end up, then it became a competition to win the internet by being correct. And then they turned in to angry hollows ranting all the time that's the twist is retcon and an asspull ( how dare this writer ignore their theory and not use the asspull they were going for)!! The ungrateful jerk thinks that just because being the one to create these characters and verse and work on it for 15+ years he can do anything and not give ME the personalize fanservice!!!!!! Kishi's atrocity to write his own story and his selfish desire to look out for his own interest in his life's work annoys them a lot.
# Fans of other series which were already ongoing saw increasing and consistent internet popularity of Naruto as an assault to their favourite manga and mangka like see this noise and fan it. Another category is who wanted to see something similar that they had read in another rmanga and started ranting that it wasn't like that other manga.( no jokes)
An example of false claim of retcon fro your post is following ( as promised above):
You completely forgot about Bleach. That's a perfect comparison right there. One of the Holy Shonen Trinity, running longer than Naruto did, tons of characters, and has just as much depth as Naruto(not much).
Its retcons are not as blatant or numerous as Naruto's. That has to do with Kubo being a far better planner than Kishi.
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She had used too much chakra by this time not because gravity was affecting - she simply harnessed more from the tree/captive shinobies of course.
Vague? What did you think you were reading actual physics derivations? It meant to show Naruto and Sasuke were affected by it and unable to dodge the attack that's all to it.
Yet she is able to
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. In that very same chapter.
And you didn't answer how Naruto is able to move now.
Everyone knew Tobi was going to be important villain and had been making theories for years regarding his ID- they called him madara, so6p elder son of the sage...and here for some strange reason you thought he was Obito but you didn't consider him being the big bad. So even if you guessed the ID correctly, you made an incorrect assumption regarding it's role which contradicted how others were seeing him. In short you made up a theory of Kakashi facing Obito. Since that half of your prediction didn't come true you start bashing on it calling it retcon. Others who may or may not have guessed his ID still recognized that tobi was not some villain to be handled by supporting characters.
You once complained when I said you were trolling but then you repeatedly make statements that either represent the panel wrongly, or force an alternative interpretation instead of the obvious and simpler one then it becomes hard to not think if you are dragging on argument just for the sake of it or with alternative motives.
Except Kakashi is a main character, not a support character.
Not being the big bad =/= not important antagonist
Example: Itachi wasn't the big bad but he was still an important antagonist for Sasuke, was he not?
And how did people guess that Tobi was the elder son and Madara when their names weren't dropped until later? We are talking about early part 2 here.
BZ's reply was a hint but ambiguous and obviously to mislead people or to keep them guessing.
You're argument would be plausible if it won't for Kishi admitting that he made it up as the story went. Thus making it more likely that he didn't plan for him to being pulling the strings back then.
But lets say you're argument was true and it was just there to mislead people. That means Kishi resorted to creating plot holes to mislead people because that makes zero sense. Very poor storytelling.
Full appearance wasn't needed. Only person who made full appearance and commented at VoTE incident was Zetsu.
Were you saying that Obito was there or not?
That was your personal theory. People thought would be Madara or elder son and all kind of unknown but formidable opponents, not because all those people were idiots, but because he was showing all the signs of being more than what he looked and one of the big bad.
I never said they were idiots or of low intelligence. Don't put words in my mouth.
