Toneri vs Rinnegan Madara

[Omar19992010]

I'll go with Madara for now.



Maybe because Cell's statement about him being able to destroy the Solar System was hyperbole, I don't know about Broly though, I watched the movies a long time ago. But both Buu and Cell are star level by feats, your comparison is invalid, but I see your point.



Lol, since when slicing the moon in half = planet busting ?

Oh no Cell was dead serious when he said he was about to destroy the Solar system since Freiza was already Star Level it's very possible Super Perfect Cell could be Solar System buster. What I'm saying is just because you have better DC doesn't mean your stronger.

Cell can destroy Solar systems while Majin Buu was only shown to destroy planets. Does that means Cells stronger than Majin Buu?

 

[RustledJimmies]

Oh no Cell was dead serious when he said he was about to destroy the Solar system. What I'm saying is just because you have better DC doesn't mean your stronger.

Cell can destroy Solar systems while Majin Buu was only shown to destroy planets. Does that means Cells stronger than Majin Buu?

I said that I get your point, but no, Cell isn't a Solar System buster, that was hyperbole, characters that were both stated and portrayed to be stronger, who are also stronger by feats, have shown no such capabilities, Buu being a perfect example.

Outside of non-canon stuff such as GT, Dragon Ball only reached Solar System level in the BoG movie, Cell being at that level is ridiculous.

 

[DHOH]

Madara wins..

 

[MAN OF SIN]

So you're saying to me Naruto who beat Toneri who didn't even use his Kyuubi Avatar is stronger than RM Naruto?

Madara never faced Kyuubi Avatar Naruto either. Oh RM Naruto in part 2 was struggling with far weaker attacks.

Hell No. BSM Naruto is nowhere near as strog as RM Naruto. He didn't even get Hamura's Chakra until after he knocked out Toneri

Naruto and Hinata mixed chakras when they destroyed the machine.

Madara when he got his second Rinnegan was actually holding his own against both Naruto and Sasuke. Before Kaguya came he actually had them backed into a corner. So what you said there is completely irrelevant. Preta Path absorbs the Beam. Madara keeps him busy with Clones while he preps a Juubi TBB to eradicate Toneri or he just Chops him down with PS. Plus if Madara lays a hand on him, Ningendo GG.

Madara was flying away from them. Naruto and Sasuke weren't going all out. Had Naruto given Team 7 his chakra like he did the K11 against Obito, they would ****ed his shit up.

Madara couldn't absorbing all that chakra from IT, remember?

Taking the Eight Gates Heads on>>>Naruto's Punch.

Naruto punched through a moon slicing attack. What did the Eight Gates do again?

You can only sense Limbo with Six Paths Sage Mode, See it with a Rinnegan and Hurt it with Six Paths Chakra. Toneri doesn't have Six Paths Sage mode and Rinnegan which means he can't see it or sense it.

Toneri does have Six Paths Chakra since he has TSB.

If you didn't forget Madara is immortal and the only way to defeat him is to seal him away with the Moon and Sun seals or Rip the Bijuu out of him and Toneri can do none.

You do realize there are different types of immortality, right?

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Lol, since when slicing the moon in half = planet busting ?

Toneri was going to destroy the Earth with that green energy ball at the end of the movie. That chakra cannon made by the Cloud Village could destroy the moon in one shot. That was powered by several fodders, so what Toneri said doesn't sound far fetched.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

You mean Rinnegan only? Then Toneri definitely takes this.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Toneri was going to destroy the Earth with that green energy ball at the end of the movie. That chakra cannon made by the Cloud Village could destroy the moon in one shot. That was powered by several fodders, so what Toneri said doesn't sound far fetched.

I have no idea what energy ball that is, and he didn't destroy it, otherwise everyone would be dead. Did he specifically say it was going to destroy the whole planet, and not the surface ? Either way, I'd go with feats over hype any day.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Toneri and Madara were said to be equal, I believe, but I think Toneri takes this extremely high diff, solely because he has a number of ways to counteract Madara's jutsu. Given the impressive chakra control we know Toneri has (examining chakra to detect Hyuuga lineage, absorbing chakra into his own, and the ability to control chakra-infused puppets from extreme distances), it can be easily assumed he could break out of Madara's genjutsu. This is especially true because Toneri has shown impressive usage of genjutsu, such as locking Naruto into a genjutsu which projects his memories (at least this is what I'm aware happens, I could be entirely wrong-- feel free to correct me on it).

Madara's elemental ninjutsu are negated by Toneri's Truth Seeking Balls, making them pretty much ineffective. It's the Rinnegan that Toneri really has to look out for, particularly since Madara has shown distinctly impressive usage of it. While it'll be trouble for Toneri, I don't think it's enough to beat him fully. The Rinnegan does negate the vast majority of Toneri's attacks, since it can absorb chakra and nearly all of Toneri's attacks are based on shaping his chakra, but the incredible strength and speed the Tenseigan Chakra Mode grants him, on-par with Naruto's chakra mode, would give him the advantage in taking Madara off-guard.

Of course, Susano'o is a massive problem for Toneri. I'm fairly certain, though, that a chakra-sword powerful enough to slice through the entire moon would be enough to break through Madara's Susano'o. So, I think Toneri takes it extremely high-diff.

They were never said to be equals.

I have no idea what energy ball that is, and he didn't destroy it, otherwise everyone would be dead. Did he specifically say it was going to destroy the whole planet, and not the surface ? Either way, I'd go with feats over hype any day.

I said was going to, obviously he was stopped. It would most likely would haved destroyed more than the surface since the chakra of several fodders can one shot the moon.

 

[RustledJimmies]

I said was going to, obviously he was stopped. It would most likely would haved destroyed more than the surface since the chakra of several fodders can one shot the moon.

Kaguya was going to destroy a dimension, yet you don't see people saying Kaguya is Universal level. The fact that the fodders were going to destroy the moon doesn't prove that Toneri can destroy a planet, the gap between Exaton and Zettaton is too huge for him to be given such a feat.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Kaguya was going to destroy a dimension, yet you don't see people saying Kaguya is Universal level. The fact that the fodders were going to destroy the moon doesn't prove that Toneri can destroy a planet, the gap between Exaton and Zettaton is too huge for him to be given such a feat.

Destroying dimesions doesn't mean universal level. Look at Orochimaru's dimesions. Kaguya dimesion was at least planet sized and she had the whole world's chakra.

 

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Maddy Stomps

 

[Omar19992010]

Madara never faced Kyuubi Avatar Naruto either. Oh RM Naruto in part 2 was struggling with far weaker attacks.



Naruto and Hinata mixed chakras when they destroyed the machine.



Madara was flying away from them. Naruto and Sasuke weren't going all out. Had Naruto given Team 7 his chakra like he did the K11 against Obito, they would ****ed his shit up.

Madara couldn't absorbing all that chakra from IT, remember?



Naruto punched through a moon slicing attack. What did the Eight Gates do again?



Toneri does have Six Paths Chakra since he has TSB.



You do realize there are different types of immortality, right?

Like I said before just because Toneri has better DC doesn't mean his attacks are stronger. You are right Madara was facing Naruto without the Kurama avatar but Six Paths Naruto>>>>BSM Naruto and that's not even debatable.

I only saw the fight scene I didn't watch the entire movie I'll wait to watch it so I can make my own judgement.

Madara never went all out either against Naruto and Sasuke. He considered all a game until after he used Infinite Tsukuyomi and was just starting to get serious but got taken out by Black Zetsu.

Let's see the Eight Gates hit Madara 300t underground and Bended Space. He didn't punch through it, he ran through it.

Six Paths Sage Mode is something you get when you become a Juubi Jin or if in Naruto's case you get Hagoromo's chakra and mix it with the Chakra of the tailed beasts.

Does Toneri have any feats of sealing anybody away in a moon Sized Chibaku Tensei or dragging the Bijuu out of him?

Toneri isn't winning this.

 

[SailorMoonLover]

When it comes to overall power scale he out classes rinnengan madara but ninjutsu,strategy,genjutsu,inteligence ,taijutsu madara way more skilled the only reason im giving this to madara is because of izanagi & pretha path.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Like I said before just because Toneri has better DC doesn't mean his attacks are stronger. You are right Madara was facing Naruto without the Kurama avatar but Six Paths Naruto>>>>BSM Naruto and that's not even debatable.

Even though RM Naruto in part 2 had shitty feats like getting owned by the land and couldn't even fly when facing Madara? Naruto in The Last is more experinced with his powers to the point he can fly and survive massive explosions in base. Naruto in his fight with Sasuke stayed grounded and hurt by shuriken.

Madara never went all out either against Naruto and Sasuke. He considered all a game until after he used Infinite Tsukuyomi and was just starting to get serious but got taken out by Black Zetsu.

Madara stopped playing when he got his other eye. Said so himself.

Let's see the Eight Gates hit Madara 300t underground and Bended Space. He didn't punch through it, he ran through it.

Which is still far more impressive than what Gai did.

Six Paths Sage Mode is something you get when you become a Juubi Jin or if in Naruto's case you get Hagoromo's chakra and mix it with the Chakra of the tailed beasts.

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Does Toneri have any feats of sealing anybody away in a moon Sized Chibaku Tensei or dragging the Bijuu out of him?

Toneri isn't winning this.

No, he'll just flat out killing him. Sasuke cut him in half rememeber? Plus this isn't Juubi jin Madara.

 

[Omar19992010]

Even though RM Naruto in part 2 had shitty feats like getting owned by the land and couldn't even fly when facing Madara? Naruto in The Last is more experinced with his powers to the point he can fly and survive massive explosions in base. Naruto in his fight with Sasuke stayed grounded and hurt by shuriken.



Madara stopped playing when he got his other eye. Said so himself.



Which is still far more impressive than what Gai did.

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No, he'll just flat out killing him. Sasuke cut him in half rememeber? Plus this isn't Juubi jin Madara.

I thought we were talking about Juubi Jin Madara here. Lol

If this is Rinnegan Madara without the Juubi then Toneri would win.

 

[Bogard]

I didn't watch the movie(and i don't intend to), but according to narutopedia, Toneri is hyped to be as strong as Madara Jin, so based on that, i say it goes either way if this Madara is Jubi's Jin and loses otherwise, assuming the info is correct

 

[Omar19992010]

I didn't watch the movie(and i don't intend to), but according to narutopedia, Toneri is hyped to be as strong as Madara Jin, so based on that, i say it goes either way if this Madara is Jubi's Jin and loses otherwise, assuming the info is correct

Madara was never even mentioned in the Movie. The guy that wrote that took it down since it was false information.

 

[Bogard]

Madara was never even mentioned in the Movie. The guy that wrote that took it down since it was false information.

Yeah i looked that a while back, so didn't know he removed. It's weird he delivered this info out of nowhere though. In this case, well i have no clue who wins