Toneri vs Hashirama and Madara

[BlacLord™]

Toneri didn't even need a competitor using Rikudou chakra to stop him mid-diff; literally the pits of Otsutsuki. Even his KTB only has scale and not potency; KCSM Naruto got hit point blank and came out without any damage.

 

[NarutoX28]

And that does not mean Toneri has Ninjutsu negating ability
he showed none
Dtabook also says Sasuke has Six Path senjutsu so

It doesn't necessarily imply it, but if he's shown to have the best usage of TSB in comparison to Obito and Madara, it's a representation of higher level Yin-Yang Release Mastery and so, he should have Onmyoudon considering Juubito and Madara did.

Databook never stated that Sasuke had Six Paths Senjutsu.

No its Six Path powers
Sasuke used 3 paths but he didn't automatically get all the path in VOTE2

That's really not what he's saying. He's claiming how manipulation of TSB is a representation of Yin-Yang Release which was received from the Tenseigan.

Add the fact RSM gives universal understanding of all thinks and Naruto was only able to use Ninjutsu negating abilty versus Sasuke

Not sure what you're implying here?

they were destroyed by odoma rasengan barrage with No Ninjutsu nullyfying abilty PS craps on it
and nope naruto actually showed much better usage of Goudama than him

I haven't seen the movie, but Naruto always has Rikudou's Chakra as his Natural Reserves and so, he likely used it which does counter Onmyoudon considering Sasuke's attacks had an effect on Madara.

 

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It doesn't necessarily imply it, but if he's shown to have the best usage of TSB in comparison to Obito and Madara, it's a representation of higher level Yin-Yang Release Mastery and so, he should have Onmyoudon considering Juubito and Madara did.

Nope he used gigantic attacks that were on Par with KCSM Naruto and were tanked by him.JJ obito was not able to use Onmyoudon in start despite having Goudama's i may remind you

Naruto even tanked Moon cutter beam with his KCSM cloak with zero damage and i don't think you will say that KCSM's durability>Susanoo.
Thus safe to assume at least PS tanks it

Databook never stated that Sasuke had Six Paths Senjutsu.

Yes it does

Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a kekkei genkai sealing jutsu.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic sattelite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.

That's really not what he's saying. He's claiming how manipulation of TSB is a representation of Yin-Yang Release which was received from the Tenseigan.

The point is unless you use Onmyoudon anyone can touch TSB.Sakura tanked the rod she was stabbed with,Tobirama was able to catch it,Hiruzen and Tobirama despite being Edo regenerated from JJ obito's attack

I haven't seen the movie, but Naruto always has Rikudou's Chakra as his Natural Reserves and so, he likely used it which does counter Onmyoudon considering Sasuke's attacks had an effect on Madara.

Yeah same as Madara who awakaned Rinnegan and Rikudo chakra does not gain boost in any other abilty

Naruto's primary use of Rikudo chakra is through his SPSM which he nvr used in the movie and still oneshotted Toneri.

Toneri has the worst durabilty out of all Final bosses

 

[Brother Numpsay]

And that does not mean Toneri has Ninjutsu negating ability
he showed none

He had no enemies he fought that can prove or disprove it. Not showing =/= not having when DB supports the notion that Sage Body can access it, as TSB carries Onmyōton (aka Yin and Yang)

Dtabook also says Sasuke has Six Path senjutsu so

Irrelevant. It stats in DB or manga that TSB blossom with Sage Senjutsu Body. Toneri's blossomed therefore has an alternate Sage Body same as Hamura.

No its Six Path powers
Sasuke used 3 paths but he didn't automatically get all the path in VOTE2

Its Sage Bodies body power stated in DB I quoted. Rinne's Paths are irrelevant (Even though Sasuke admitted was getting the hang of its usage and showed that he needed more room for development).

Add the fact RSM gives universal understanding of all thinks and Naruto was only able to use Ninjutsu negating abilty versus Sasuke

Which Tenseigan enables too based on what was addressed above.

Yes and Toneri showed it

So using its Yin and Yang priorities of TSB should be no different, correct?

they were destroyed by odoma rasengan barrage with No Ninjutsu nullyfying abilty PS craps on it
and nope naruto actually showed much better usage of Goudama than him

No they werent destroyed. They were blocked and Naruto caught him from the underground, the shield obliterated from the force Naruto knock him away. Same way Guy did to Madara with close range Evening Elephant.

Like I said above Kinbō Tensei ruins PS.

@Bold not really, he only used variants with them with Rasen Shiruken. Golden Wheel, Silver Wheel, and manifesting an artificial cage? That crazy creations we having seen TSB was able to do.

Toneri didn't even need a competitor using Rikudou chakra to stop him mid-diff; literally the pits of Otsutsuki. Even his KTB only has scale and not potency; KCSM Naruto got hit point blank and came out without any damage.

I hope your willing to argue the same Naruto thats capable of facing momoshiki in the same form is no better?
KTB has both scale and potency, you have no evidence that either of these cats defense or offence can overpower it. And rewatch the fight, the first time he used it (moon split) Naruto body flickered away from it. 2nd time he took it head on, concentrating his power to a single point (Still superior to anything Hashirama and Madara have anyway by feats)

 

[NarutoX28]

Nope he used gigantic attacks that were on Par with KCSM Naruto and were tanked by him.JJ obito was not able to use Onmyoudon in start despite having Goudama's i may remind you

Mindless Obito never had the 9 TSB, after he regained control over the Juubi was when he received the 9 TSB and Onmyoudon. If Toneri had the 9 TSB, then he should've had Onmyoudon. Juubidara hardly showed any impressive manipulation of TSB and still had it.

Naruto even tanked Moon cutter beam with his KCSM cloak with zero damage and i don't think you will say that KCSM's durability>Susanoo.
Thus safe to assume at least PS tanks it

If Toneri has Onmyoudon, then that simply implies that he straight up bypasses PS durability considering it erases ninjutsu which is what PS is.

Yes it does

That only indicates that one of the user's has to have Rikudou Senjutsu in order to perform Six Paths Chibaku Tensei which aligns to what the manga states:

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Even if what you were suggesting is true, the Manga outright contradicts the Databook which nullifies that statement.

The point is unless you use Onmyoudon anyone can touch TSB.Sakura tanked the rod she was stabbed with,Tobirama was able to catch it,Hiruzen and Tobirama despite being Edo regenerated from JJ obito's attack

I'd agree here. Problem is, Brother Numpsay explained why he should have Onmyoudon since Toneri displayed the highest level of mastery over TSB which utilizes Yin-Yang Release. If he displayed higher level of Yin-Yang Release than Madara and Obito who had Onmyoudon, then Toneri should logically have it as well.

Yeah same as Madara who awakaned Rinnegan and Rikudo chakra does not gain boost in any other abilty

Naruto's primary use of Rikudo chakra is through his SPSM which he nvr used in the movie and still oneshotted Toneri.

Toneri has the worst durabilty out of all Final bosses

That's because Madara's amount of Rikudou Chakra was insignificant. If you take into account of Naruto who has Full Kurama and Half of Juubi Jin Hagoromo's Chakra, then it will provide a boost as it did for Sasuke.

 

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He had no enemies he fought that can prove or disprove it. Not showing =/= not having when DB supports the notion that Sage Body can access it, as TSB carries Onmyōton (aka Yin and Yang)

if that was the case both Hiruzen and Tobirama would be in garbage dumpster from start of battle as both were hit by JJ obito

Irrelevant. It stats in DB or manga that TSB blossom with Sage Senjutsu Body. Toneri's blossomed therefore has an alternate Sage Body same as Hamura.

Literally pulled out of your ass
Hamura was nvr referred to Body or Eyes thing
Even all his descendants has ocualar powers unlike split btn Senjus/Uzumaki or Uchiha's

Its Sage Bodies body power stated in DB I quoted. Rinne's Paths are irrelevant (Even though Sasuke admitted was getting the hang of its usage and showed that he needed more room for development).

So did Naruto and Obito

Toneri has not shown it and thus you cannot spoonfeed him with it

Which Tenseigan enables too based on what was addressed above.

So using its Yin and Yang priorities of TSB should be no different, correct?

Do u read the manga
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He gained ninjutsu nullyfying abilty later.You cannot spoonfeed it to toneri becoz of Goudamma

No they werent destroyed. They were blocked and Naruto caught him from the underground, the shield obliterated from the force Naruto knock him away. Same way Guy did to Madara with close range Evening Elephant.

No they were destroyed
They weren't even seen later on

Like I said above Kinbō Tensei ruins PS.

Yes maybe in you fanfiction when all of Toneri attck were tanked by KCSM Naruto

@Bold not really, he only used variants with them with Rasen Shiruken. Golden Wheel, Silver Wheel, and manifesting an artificial cage? That crazy creations we having seen TSB was able to do.

Naruto used the rods,Platform,BD FRS.

His Jutsu's potency were so inferior that KCSM Naruto has zero problem with his attacks,Madara with PS would have zero problem

I hope your willing to argue the same Naruto thats capable of facing momoshiki in the same form is no better?

Learn the difference between KCSM and RSM naruto first then QUOTE

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Mindless Obito never had the 9 TSB, after he regained control over the Juubi was when he received the 9 TSB and Onmyoudon. If Toneri had the 9 TSB, then he should've had Onmyoudon. Juubidara hardly showed any impressive manipulation of TSB and still had it.

Don't think Toneri had 9 TSB
also does not matter Toneri has not shown Ninjutsu nullyfying ability same as Obito has not show Deva path powers
I made my statement base on explicitly that fact.If you are giving him a fanfic abilty then i am not here to debate on that :|

If Toneri has Onmyoudon, then that simply implies that he straight up bypasses PS durability considering it erases ninjutsu which is what PS is.

Yes if he had it.But he has shown zero feats

That only indicates that one of the user's has to have Rikudou Senjutsu in order to perform Six Paths Chibaku Tensei which aligns to what the manga states:

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Even if what you were suggesting is true, the Manga outright contradicts the Databook which nullifies that statement.

That is madara who was later on shocked to see Amenotejikara and was schooled by both naruto and sauke despite boasting he can take on them
Madara was made the\ose statement without even knowing extent of powers of either naruto or sasuke

I'd agree here. Problem is, Brother Numpsay explained why he should have Onmyoudon since Toneri displayed the highest level of mastery over TSB which utilizes Yin-Yang Release. If he displayed higher level of Yin-Yang Release than Madara and Obito who had Onmyoudon, then Toneri should logically have it as well.

Nope Obito was showing massive use of shape manipulation like toneri which was far better than Madara or Naruto[bar BDFRS] but failed to nullify edo

That's because Madara's amount of Rikudou Chakra was insignificant. If you take into account of Naruto who has Full Kurama and Half of Juubi Jin Hagoromo's Chakra, then it will provide a boost as it did for Sasuke.

Base naruto has shown Zero boost from Rikudou except the reserve that allows him to enter RSM without kneading chakra

 

[Brother Numpsay]

if that was the case both Hiruzen and Tobirama would be in garbage dumpster from start of battle as both were hit by JJ obito

A JJ Obito who had no conscience and no control over its full priorities/capability of TSB.

Literally pulled out of your ass
Hamura was nvr referred to Body or Eyes thing
Even all his descendants has ocual powers unlike split btn Senjus/Uzumaki or Uchiha's

He was never referred to something thats needed the requirement to seal his own mother? Yet alone produce his own truth seeker orbs? And the owner of Tenseigan? Ok, I sure did pull that out my ass.

So did Naruto and Obito

Which supports the notion that these 2 can. Really now?

Toneri has not shown it and thus you cannot spoonfeed him with it

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Do u read the manga
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He gained ninjutsu nullyfying abilty later.You cannot spoonfeed it to toneri becoz of Goudamma

Yup, and Im reading it correctly. You just need to stop using an V1 Juubito to support your point when he had no full control over its power and capability yet.

No they were destroyed
They weren't even seen later on

What I said exactly is what actually happened from 6:25-6:45

Yes maybe in you fanfiction when all of Toneri attck were tanked by KCSM Naruto

Lmao are you messing with me? Kinbō Tensei absorbed any jutsu on contact against NAruto, and then took the majority of Naruto and Kurama's chakra. Then releases a mass explosion right after, with much more potency then any Buijuudama we ever witness. Hashirama and Madara isnt surviving this.

Naruto used the rods,Platform,BD FRS.

first 2 are basic as hell with TSB. Why even mentioned them?

His Jutsu's potency were so inferior that KCSM Naruto has zero problem with his attacks

Good for Naruto's feats. Not Madara or Hashirama so you have no point. Manga showed Madara's best defense gets taken out by landscape buster. Golden Wheel has done more damage then that.

Learn the difference between KCSM and RSM naruto first then QUOTE

Ok. Please educate me the difference between Boruto Naruto and the Last via forms.

 

[BLAZE]

A JJ Obito who had no conscience and no control over its full priorities/capability of TSB. Yup, and Im reading it correctly. You just need to stop using an V1 Juubito to support your point when he had no full control over its power and capability yet.

Then stop spoonfeeding Toner who has literally shown zero usage as Ninjutsu nullyfying abilty
TSB does automatically grant Ninjutsu nullyfying abilty unlike shape transformation

He was never referred to something thats needed the requirement to seal his own mother? Yet alone produce his own truth seeker orbs? And the owner of Tenseigan? Ok, I sure did pull that out my ass.

Do u read the manga He didn't even have Tenseigan when he sealed his mother :lol

Yeah and its unlike hagoromo's case so yeah u pulled it outta ur ass

What I said exactly is what actually happened from 6:25-6:45

They got destroyed :| Nvr reformed back

Lmao are you messing with me? Kinbō Tensei absorbed any jutsu on contact against NAruto, and then took the majority of Naruto and Kurama's chakra. Then releases a mass explosion right after, with much more potency then any Buijuudama we ever witness. Hashirama and Madara isnt surviving this.

He absorbed jackshit :| it absorbed a rasengan.If he tries to absorb PS he he gets rekt by PS Blade
Couldn't even absorb KCSM naruto's punch on contact and u still feel it will absorb PS easily :lol

first 2 are basic as hell with TSB. Why even mentioned them?

Considering shape manipualtion is easily achieved via TSB

Good for Naruto's feats. Not Madara or Hashirama so you have no point. Manga showed Madara's best defense gets taken out by landscape buster. Golden Wheel has done more damage then that.

Then avccording to you Sasuke's sword is >>>>> Madara's PS and Hashirama's Jutsu's :lol

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Ok. Please educate me the difference between Boruto Naruto and the Last via forms.

The manga ended and you don't know the difference despite spamming DB to wank char.

This is what he used in The Last

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Kurama Mode

Stated to be the "complete version" of Nine Tails Chakra Mode, accomplished when Naruto and Kurama sync their hearts. It allows Naruto to use the most powerful secret abilities of the Jinchūriki, like Tailed Beast Bomb and Tailed Beast Transformation.

Kurama Chakra Mode

Borrowing an enormous amount of Chakra from Kurama, who has been sealed in his body, Naruto exhibits overwhelming power. By simultaneously activating Sage Mode, his sensory capabilities and the strength of his Ninjutsu are significantly increased...!!

←↓ With the Four Symbols Seal lifted, his Chakra flows out like flames.

This is what naruto used in Boruto movie [

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Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo)

Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

← The caster has an unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

→ Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!

← His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!

Now inb4 u say there is no difference look at the eyes.Toad sage mode has pigmentation around eyes while RSM does not.

This is TSM that naruto used in The Last movie

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This is RSM from Boruto movie

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Naruto uses RSM Combined with Kyuubi chakra in Boruto movie while he used Toad Sage Mode combined with Kyuubi chakra in the last

 

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whats the debate? this is such a godstomp its not even funny, kcm cloak tanked toneri's strongest attack, hashirama has SM so busting toneris Tsb's would easy as we seen ems sasukes sm arrows and bsm narutos tbb busting jj obitos. what does toneri even have going for him?

 

[NarutoX28]

This is odd. Are people seriously thinking KCSM Naruto didn't use Rikudou's Chakra to withstand Toneri's moon buster attack? You can't seriously tell me that Naruto's own Chakra developed to the point where he became God-Tier.

 

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This is odd. Are people seriously thinking KCSM Naruto didn't use Rikudou's Chakra to withstand Toneri's moon buster attack? You can't seriously tell me that Naruto's own Chakra developed to the point where he became God-Tier.

its still a cloak, narutos RSM cloak doesnt have better durability than PS or SS thats just absurb.


or do i have to post a scan of narutos cloak getting stabbed by a sword in gaiden? or madaras cloak getting bisected by sasuke? please tell me u dont think narutos cloak has better durability than a full on avatar construct?

 

[NarutoX28]

its still a cloak, narutos RSM cloak doesnt have better durability than PS or SS thats just absurb.

A Juubi Jin flat out tanked Edo SM Hashirama's techniques low-diff, so what stops KCSM Naruto from doing so when he has Rikudou's Chakra? Hell, Alive Madara with only a small portion of Rikudou's Chakra still tanked the Bijuu's hits low-diff, so nothing suggests that Naruto cannot have durability feats with Kurama's Chakra and much more Rikudou Chakra than Madara.

Then again, I haven't seen the movie, so I'm not sure how he did it. If he simply stored all of his chakra within a single point in his body to withstand it, then it makes sense why he could tank it even when a PS might not.

 

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A Juubi Jin flat out tanked Edo SM Hashirama's techniques low-diff, so what stops KCSM Naruto from doing so when he has Rikudou's Chakra? Hell, Alive Madara with only a small portion of Rikudou's Chakra still tanked the Bijuu's hits low-diff, so nothing suggests that Naruto cannot have durability feats with Kurama's Chakra and much more Rikudou Chakra than Madara.

Then again, I haven't seen the movie, so I'm not sure how he did it. If he simply stored all of his chakra within a single point in his body to withstand it, then it makes sense why he could tank it even when a PS might not.

when did a JJ tank Hashiramas SS? obito was having trouble tanking sm tbbs and susano arrows with TSB. madara said he was planning on taking obito down with Hashiramas SM.

he flat out tanked the attack with his cloak and defeated toneri with a punch. PS slash or SS would desimate toneri.

also madara was tanking tail sweeps not PS slashes or Hashirama constructs plus madara had regenration that was a terrible example.

 

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when did a JJ tank Hashiramas SS? obito was having trouble tanking sm tbbs and susano arrows with TSB. madara said he was planning on taking obito down with Hashiramas SM.

He didn't, he tanked SM Hashirama's Deity Gates designed to absolutely immobilize him and he broke through it neg-diff.

He couldn't tank BSM Naruto's and Sasuke's attacks as they were Senjutsu Enhanced. Fortunately, KCSM Naruto had no weakness against Toneri's attack here.

he flat out tanked the attack with his cloak and defeated toneri with a punch. PS slash or SS would desimate toneri.

also madara was tanking tail sweeps not PS slashes or Hashirama constructs plus madara had regenration that was a terrible example.

If he used Onmyoudon, he'd get crushed by Hashirama's SS, but not a PS slash, definitely not.

All right and? That was merely to show how someone with limited amounts of Rikudou Chakra has impressive durability feats.

 

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He didn't, he tanked SM Hashirama's Deity Gates designed to absolutely immobilize him and he broke through it neg-diff.

He couldn't tank BSM Naruto's and Sasuke's attacks as they were Senjutsu Enhanced. Fortunately, KCSM Naruto had no weakness against Toneri's attack here.



If he used Onmyoudon, he'd get crushed by Hashirama's SS, but not a PS slash, definitely not.

All right and? That was merely to show how someone with limited amounts of Rikudou Chakra has impressive durability feats.

irrelevant why are u bringing deity gates when we are talking about SS and kurama PS?

hashirama has senjutsu, toneri is gettin flattened. narutos kcsm cloak flat out tanked toneris strongest attack while a stronger version of narutos cloak(RSM with eyes and everything) got bypassed by a sword in gaiden, its absolutely absurb to think a PS wont tank the same attack kcsm cloak did.

if its a senjutsu PS then a ps slash would break the onmyoudon but thats irrelevant since we're talkin about vote madara.

and impressive durability feats? he was bleeding out with body parts flying around, if wasnt for regen he wouldnt had tanked shit. as he even said it himself he got careless because he had hashi regen implying it was dumb for him to rush the bijuus like that.

 

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Then stop spoonfeeding Toner who has literally shown zero usage as Ninjutsu nullyfying abilty
TSB does automatically grant Ninjutsu nullyfying abilty unlike shape transformation

Lmao the fact that you brought up V1 Juubi debunks your own point. Im going to go by the supported notion that all characters with TSB, with a conscience and mastered its full capability, are capable of using this feat. DB stats Naruto can do it, despite never showing it, and the fact that Tenseigan enables him to achieve TSB also supports the notion. Until this is debunked, you have no point.

Do u read the manga He didn't even have Tenseigan when he sealed his mother :lol

I gave a 3 reasons that debunks your claim and you decided to strawman 1 point. Doesnt help your point. Hamura had TSB, period. The only way to blossom TSB is do have a rikudou Sage Body, period.

They got destroyed :| Nvr reformed back

?????? Statement has nothing to what we were discussing.

He absorbed jackshit :| it absorbed a rasengan.If he tries to absorb PS he he gets rekt by PS Blade
Couldn't even absorb KCSM naruto's punch on contact and u still feel it will absorb PS easily :lol

He absorb jackshit yet you say absorb a Rasengan lmao? Re watch the movie. He absorbed both Rasengan then continued absorbing Naruto's and Kuramas chakra, internally. Please stop mixing Golden Wheel with Kinbō Tensei.

Considering shape manipualtion is easily achieved via TSB

Thanks for sharing a useless point.

Then avccording to you Sasuke's sword is >>>>> Madara's PS and Hashirama's Jutsu's :lol

Or you can stop with the red herring fallacy and actually counter my point.

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The manga ended and you don't know the difference despite spamming DB to wank char.

Its call sarcasm first of all. I can spam whatever facts thats supports my point go cry me a river.

This is what he used in The Last

Hows this suppose to support your point when the very scan shows a before and after Naruto. And one of the pictures of Rikdou Base Naruto going head on against Rinne Sasuke?

The very fact that The Last Naruto was capable of keeping his flight, only accessible of Ridokou, should already tell you drawing inconsistency with the pigments of Naruto's form.

 

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irrelevant why are u bringing deity gates when we are talking about SS and kurama PS?

You stated that RSM Naruto's cloak has no durability feats and I presented an example that contradicts that.

hashirama has senjutsu, toneri is gettin flattened. narutos kcsm cloak flat out tanked toneris strongest attack while a stronger version of narutos cloak(RSM with eyes and everything) got bypassed by a sword in gaiden, its absolutely absurb to think a PS wont tank the same attack kcsm cloak did.

If Toneri has Onmyoudon, PS isn't tanking it.

I agree though, Toneri likely gets destroyed by SS.

if its a senjutsu PS then a ps slash would break the onmyoudon but thats irrelevant since we're talkin about vote madara.

Which it won't be because Madara doesn't have Senjutsu.

and impressive durability feats? he was bleeding out with body parts flying around, if wasnt for regen he wouldnt had tanked shit. as he even said it himself he got careless because he had hashi regen implying it was dumb for him to rush the bijuus like that.

Nope, his body didn't regenerate until after the attacks.

He strictly tanked it through his own durability. Him bleeding doesn't take away from the fact that he tanked multiple hits from the strongest beings in the Narutoverse whilst laughing it off.

 

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You stated that RSM Naruto's cloak has no durability feats and I presented an example that contradicts that.



If Toneri has Onmyoudon, PS isn't tanking it.

I agree though, Toneri likely gets destroyed by SS.



Which it won't be because Madara doesn't have Senjutsu.



Nope, his body didn't regenerate until after the attacks.

He strictly tanked it through his own durability. Him bleeding doesn't take away from the fact that he tanked multiple hits from the strongest beings in the Narutoverse whilst laughing it off.

never said rsm cloak has no durability feats just said a sword got bypassed it. so its durability is no where near of that of a PS which has been shown tanking a lot more.

in this vs it doesnt matter since hashi is going to shit on it before it even gets close to PS kurama.

stated that since its vote madara but doesnt matter since hashi is here.

a much stronger madara with a cloak got bisected by a sword later on so ur point is irrelevant. madara laughed at everybody so thats irrelevant. only thing madara didnt tank was BZ.

hashi and madara take this low-mid diff. probably low

 

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I'll go with Toneri

 

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Lmao the fact that you brought up V1 Juubi debunks your own point. Im going to go by the supported notion that all characters with TSB, with a conscience and mastered its full capability, are capable of using this feat. DB stats Naruto can do it, despite never showing it, and the fact that Tenseigan enables him to achieve TSB also supports the notion. Until this is debunked, you have no point.

Says the guy who rather than debunking anything made a buttload of nonsense fanfics spoonefed it to Toneri and then try to pass that horsecrap as fact
Despite of showing zero feats of nullifying Ninjustu you are trying push the feat right through his throat as you know PS tanks everything and without fanfiction feat Toneri stands Zero chance

I gave a 3 reasons that debunks your claim and you decided to strawman 1 point. Doesnt help your point. Hamura had TSB, period. The only way to blossom TSB is do have a rikudou Sage Body, period.

Nope
Toneri gained TSB due to his ocular powers that grants him TCM.You just sugarcioated and made a fanfic that it is Body power of Hmaura when in reality it comes out via Tenseigan aka ocualar power

You are trying to spoonfeed Toneri something Obito,Naruto,Kaguya and Madara gained through Bijuu chakra while Toneri through ocualar power

Inb4 TSB has nothing to do with Bijuu chakra i will remind you RSM naruto without cloak lacks TSB

He absorb jackshit yet you say absorb a Rasengan lmao? Re watch the movie. He absorbed both Rasengan then continued absorbing Naruto's and Kuramas chakra, internally. Please stop mixing Golden Wheel with Kinbō Tensei.

Yes jackshit i said PS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any small rasengan or chakra cloak and it failed to absorb a punch that consisted of chakra cloak and in no way is absorbing the force of PS
and no i am not mixing anything

Thanks for sharing a useless point.

Then i should thank you spewing useless fanfic all over the thread

Or you can stop with the red herring fallacy and actually counter my point.

You point that are actually fanfiction based on assumption when you don't even know difference btn TSM and RSM

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Its call sarcasm first of all. I can spam whatever facts thats supports my point go cry me a river.

Nope this the second time you have said this thus i know you cannot differentiate between them.The part you posted below is concrete proof of it

Hows this suppose to support your point when the very scan shows a before and after Naruto. And one of the pictures of Rikdou Base Naruto going head on against Rinne Sasuke?

You mean base Naruto that got blitzed by Base Rinnegan Sasuke on Hashirama statue :lol
Yes the only time he was actually going head to head was when they were almost drained out of chakra

The very fact that The Last Naruto was capable of keeping his flight, only accessible of Ridokou, should already tell you drawing inconsistency with the pigments of Naruto's form.

The sheer amount of thirst in this post trying to pass TSM as RSM shows how much desperate you are

You are bullshitting with drawing inconsistency despite The Last Databook supporting it and whole movie supporting

I knew you were going to spew ur inconsistency crap thats why learn to read

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Kurama Chakra Mode

Borrowing an enormous amount of Chakra from Kurama, who has been sealed in his body, Naruto exhibits overwhelming power. By simultaneously activating Sage Mode, his sensory capabilities and the strength of his Ninjutsu are significantly increased...!!

←↓ With the Four Symbols Seal lifted, his Chakra flows out like flames.

which naruto did

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and if you cannot understand difference btn RSM and TSM you should go back read the manga again rather than forcing others to read your shitty fanfics