Todays chapter confirms that Uchiha > Senju

[MohamedSenju]

Holy ****, dude are you hearing yourself, so the awakening happens when feels sad you know because of Rin but don't you think it was too late or it isn't I'm confused as ****, wasn't that the time were he was chasing Deidara, it makes some sense I guess, but how do you know that?????

 

[Draphsin]

Holy ****, dude are you hearing yourself, so the awakening happens when feels sad you know because of Rin but don't you think it was too late or it isn't I'm confused as ****, wasn't that the time were he was chasing Deidara, it makes some sense I guess, but how do you know that?????

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[Fonkyomom]

With all their " superior " power they still wound up under the thumb of the Senjus clan, and eventually wiped out. LOL yeah, they sure are superior

 

[girya]

:sy: the manga explains that any uchiha can awaken MS, it doesnt take a special power (if your family member is murdered you unlock it) while on the other hand hashi had mokuton, a kekkei genkai that just so happens to heve to the power to supress a bijuu. Not all senjus can supress bijuu or tobirama would have that attribute too. The fact that every uchiha has the possibility to awaken MS no matter how young/old they are makes them potentially stronger than the senju.

Are u mad?? Is taming bijuus the only thing that can make a ninja powerful? Tobirama invented Edo tensei; Minato used FTG and invented the rasengan and both were effective enough. u r underestimating Senju.. thats all. If every Uchiha can invoke MS; then there were MS capable uchihas during senju-uchiha clashes too and still uchiha did not win - this a fact.

As far as MS is concerned; it requires a traumatic experience to awaken MS. Itachi killed shishui; then invoked his MS. Sasuke killed Itachi. Kakashi killed rin; and obito got it from that experience. I never said that you need to kill family member. But the person that close to you to give that traumatic exp will be most likely be someone from the uchiha clan (that is why i included "most likely" in the reply) becoz the uchiha were one clan that did mix with other clan members. Again no matter who that person is; any individual (in this case uchiha) wont like that person to die to attain power.

Each person is unique and has great potential. Potential does not make necessarily make anyone great or better than other.

 

[SubZero89]

But he didnt, in fact he added to the uchiha hype by saying than any of them could've been just as strong as madara

But he could, he never said that. Don't asspull things.

 

[Orochimagus]

I don't see the argument here. Manga stated not many could get the MS.

 

[narutocentral]

I dont think thats a least bit true. Yea hatred makes you strong hence sasukes wicked power but it also blinds you. Love is what makes naruto wickederrrrrr because the will to protect someone weighs out more than the power to get revenge

 

[Draphsin]

Are u mad?? Is taming bijuus the only thing that can make a ninja powerful? Tobirama invented Edo tensei; Minato used FTG and invented the rasengan and both were effective enough. u r underestimating Senju.. thats all. If every Uchiha can invoke MS; then there were MS capable uchihas during senju-uchiha clashes too and still uchiha did not win - this a fact.

As far as MS is concerned; it requires a traumatic experience to awaken MS. Itachi killed shishui; then invoked his MS. Sasuke killed Itachi. Kakashi killed rin; and obito got it from that experience. I never said that you need to kill family member. But the person that close to you to give that traumatic exp will be most likely be someone from the uchiha clan (that is why i included "most likely" in the reply) becoz the uchiha were one clan that did mix with other clan members. Again no matter who that person is; any individual (in this case uchiha) wont like that person to die to attain power.

Each person is unique and has great potential. Potential does not make necessarily make anyone great or better than other.

lol nope...just right, and lol you are overestimating senjus (minato isnt a senju so youre dead wrong there), & do you think that edo tensei could handle kurama/madara?...dont make me laugh

The bold point was the best because it shows that you clearly dont read the manga, Madara was the first of his clan to awaken MS so youre wrong again (not surprising U_U)

And clearly with the second bold you miss the entire point of my post...you said it yourself they just need to experience loss, meaning that if they were to lose a dear friend in battle or had a brother that goes through a self sacrifice, the resulting eyes would be the same no matter what kind of uchiha you are, fodder or not (this is shown with obito, a supposed "fodder" uchiha who awakened MS at an extremely young age). Therefore, if the senju came and wiped out all the women and children of the uchiha clan (hypothetically speaking of course) then the adult males will all awaken MS and who knows what kind of OP abilities each set of eyes would possess? idk but i do know one thing, the senju wouldnt stand a chance

 

[Draphsin]

But he could, he never said that. Don't asspull things.

But he hasnt and most likely wont for the rest of the manga now that hashi/tobi are here. Just face it manga hasnt shown any powerful senju other than two yet every uchiha has the power to awaken MS meaning they can reach Itachi/Obito/Shisui's level before they even hit puberty lol. And im not asspulling anything tobirama isolated the clan because he didnt want another madara to occurr, now this would be nothing to be afraid about if the potential for another madara wasnt possible. Manga stated that any Uchiha can awaken MS, it doesnt take a powerhouse like madara which is why uchiha potential>senju

I don't see the argument here. Manga stated not many could get the MS.

Reread, manga actually explained the contrary, ANY uchiha has the potential to awaken MS...

 

[Orochimagus]

I am sure Kabuto with his Edo army could handle living Madara. There's no way he could stop all that.

 

[spckoroma]

not the clan just madara. plus who is every scared of emos.

 

[Roby]

He was not scared of Uchiha in the way you put it. He was scared that there might be a second Madara that will eventually create new war and destroy everything Hashirama achieved. Not only did Hashirama manage to create peace betweet two most powerful clans there was, he also managed to yank them to live near eachothers and thus eventually keeping an eye on them. It was clear long ago that Uchihas were a little off in the head (not counting Itachi since he infact sided with the Senju way).

By keeping an eye on the Uchiha and having them in one small spot Tobirama ensured that there won't be another Madara and if there would it would have been easy to put an end due to all Uchihas in one spot. He was not afraid of Uchihas as a clan, he was afraid that they will go on a rampage and the war will start between Uchiha and the Senju all over again. To prevent bloodshed on both sides this was what Tobirama thought was the best thing to do.

Also they made Hashirama the hokage and not Madara meaning other Uchihas also wanted a Senju to lead the alliance between the two. As I see it Uchiha feared Senju just as much as Tobirama feared new conflict between the two, neither wanted to get into a new war.

Madara is to blame in the first place why Tobirama did what he did, Madara showed clearly that not all Uchiha were happy to have peace with the Senju. Naturally The Senju would start to expect the worst and be prepared for it. Thats all... Tobirama does not fear Uchiha, he feared that they would run into another war with one another.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

I am sure Kabuto with his Edo army could handle living Madara. There's no way he could stop all that.

we dont know nif madara knows any sealing jutsus but

i think madara can take them a few meteors and not to mention obito mentions he can do a MAJOR Suicide Blast

 

[MrSimple]

He was not scared of Uchiha in the way you put it. He was scared that there might be a second Madara that will eventually create new war and destroy everything Hashirama achieved. Not only did Hashirama manage to create peace betweet two most powerful clans there was, he also managed to yank them to live near eachothers and thus eventually keeping an eye on them. It was clear long ago that Uchihas were a little off in the head (not counting Itachi since he infact sided with the Senju way).

By keeping an eye on the Uchiha and having them in one small spot Tobirama ensured that there won't be another Madara and if there would it would have been easy to put an end due to all Uchihas in one spot. He was not afraid of Uchihas as a clan, he was afraid that they will go on a rampage and the war will start between Uchiha and the Senju all over again. To prevent bloodshed on both sides this was what Tobirama thought was the best thing to do.

Also they made Hashirama the hokage and not Madara meaning other Uchihas also wanted a Senju to lead the alliance between the two. As I see it Uchiha feared Senju just as much as Tobirama feared new conflict between the two, neither wanted to get into a new war.

Madara is to blame in the first place why Tobirama did what he did, Madara showed clearly that not all Uchiha were happy to have peace with the Senju. Naturally The Senju would start to expect the worst and be prepared for it. Thats all... Tobirama does not fear Uchiha, he feared that they would run into another war with one another.

That's pretty much and some what paranoia m8, you pretty much agreed with my topic.
And his selfishness- I think I pretty much explained it. You gotta look at the bigger picture and not what Tobirama was making for his own village and not the village Hashirama and Hiruzen working at.

 

[shishomaru 21]

but they would reanimate he'd have to seal them all at the same time or the'll keep cutting the other ones out of the seal.

 

[Roby]

That's pretty much and some what paranoia m8, you pretty much agreed with my topic.

More or less, but he does not fear Uchiha in general as a super powerful clan. He fears that new war comes meaning Senju can beat Uchiha or force them into a new alliance again. If he would really fear Uchiha most likely would wipe them out, thats what I would have done anyway to prevent any kind of insurection.

 

[julia maltellak]

the uchiha's was never eval, they were just missunder stood.
that's all and they became eval by doing bad things and itache uchiha was just trying to prevent that from happening

 

[MrSimple]

the uchiha's was never eval, they were just missunder stood.
that's all and they became eval by doing bad things and itache uchiha was just trying to prevent that from happening

Exactly but Tobirama's fans exclude that part, and everyone else knows that the both sides were wrong.

 

[Roby]

the uchiha's was never eval, they were just missunder stood.
that's all and they became eval by doing bad things and itache uchiha was just trying to prevent that from happening

Exactly but Tobirama's fans exclude that part, and everyone else knows that the both sides were wrong.

Wrong, was said in part one that Uchiha were already 'Evil' long before the alliance with the Senju. Hence they were killing each other off to gein MS. However I don't deny that Tobirama pushed them even deeper.

 

[MrSimple]

Wrong, was said in part one that Uchiha were already 'Evil' long before the alliance with the Senju. Hence they were killing each other off to gein MS. However I don't deny that Tobirama pushed them even deeper.

This is so wrong and biased that I don't know of where to even start. I have found so many flaws already to discredit your post.
I already explained thousand of times my point over Kohona's policy and such. You chose to believe me or not. I merely shared my thoughts.