Todays chapter confirms that Uchiha > Senju

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Yes but the fact that hashi trumped madara proves that the power of love without hate is the only thing stronger than hatred from love. I guarantee that will be brought up in some way, which is why in the end naruto will defeat sasuke.
 

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This post contradict of what we have seen in the latest chapter.
Hashirama was trying to school his brother, wasn't he? If Tobirama wasn't selfish and listened to what people telling him they could live peacefully now.

You can't unite two clans and suppress the one without giving them a permission to the policy of Konoha.
So no, the way Tobirama dictated Konoha what we've seen lately was obvious to happen.
Hashirama and Hiruzen wanted the true peace in konoha not Tobirama or Danzo.

I agree that Tobirama took rash actions but it isn't because he was scared of Uchiha, he used force against Uchiha to suppress them which was against Senju ideology....
And also don't you observed the carefree manner of Hashi, he doesn't bother if any Madara stands up to destroy peace because he can simply put him back to his place and that's not scaring... It's a +ve compliment for Madara that even Hashi took his bad-side seriously....
 

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I agree that Tobirama took rash actions but it isn't because he was scared of Uchiha, he used force against Uchiha to suppress them which was against Senju ideology....
And also don't you observed the carefree manner of Hashi, he doesn't bother if any Madara stands up to destroy peace because he can simply put him back to his place and that's not scaring... It's a +ve compliment for Madara that even Hashi took his bad-side seriously....

Yeah I was surprised to see this Hashi. I wonder if they were even a friends with Madara lol. He was truly one of kind. Also he was the only threat for Uchiha it seems.
For me Tobirama made a big mistake out there. That's what happens when two big clans are govern like this. And he's definitely of not Hashi's league I'm sorry to say that.
 
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Hashirama looking calm and confident.

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Tell me what does the chapter confirm again? That Uchihas most powerful shinobi feared his Senju rival that's what.
 
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it seems to imply that the uchiha have more raw power then the senju but that power is uncontrollable and that unpredictability is what makes the uchiha dangerous
 

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At the minute, But senju will rise again! haha
 

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Whaaaa? It was highly possible that another madara would show up? o_O back then?

Maybe with the eye capability but not power wise like madara. U.U

Yeah and who knows, both clans are gone though.
 

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Hashirama looking calm and confident.

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Tell me what does the chapter confirm again? That Uchihas most powerful shinobi feared his Senju rival that's what.

is see that Hashirama is scared of Sasuke ( a younger Uchiha than Madara)
looks like Hashi is holding his butt close
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Don't see how having a weird (but awesome), personality makes Hashirama any weaker.

Actually I think the way he sees life makes him stronger, he doesn't take himself too seriously.
 

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Don't see how having a weird (but awesome), personality makes Hashirama any weaker.

Actually I think the way he sees life makes him stronger, he doesn't take himself too seriously.

Did you refer that to me? xd

I actually said that. His and Hiruzen's way was the right way for Tobirama to follow instead of that we've seen a massacre lately.
 
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It's confirmed now that Madara was stronger than Tobirama so Tobirama was scared.

Todays chapter confirms that their love growing stronger enough so they can go along with Senju and eventually the reflection of their love turns into a great power that is beyond Senju's love.
Their hatred of loosing their comrade giving them the power of EMS.

That's why Tobirama is happy that Uchiha are annihilated now. U_U

I think Madara being stronger than Tobirama was obvious when Dan said only Hashirama could beat EMS Madara. Dan didn't know the existence of some shinobi (like Nagato) perhaps, but he did know of the existence of Tobirama.

Hmm I think you misinterpreted what the chapter confirmed. Their love makes them quite sensitive and when they experience despair (losing a loved one or being unable to protect a dear friend, for example) they awaken the Sharingan.
It is relatively easy for them to get this power because they're so sensitive, or impressionable.

Though they always go to hatred.... Hatred really powers them up, remember how Obito jumped from a two tomoe Sharingan right to the MS? The hatred actually makes them stronger, so their love is quite dangerous in that sense.

Tobirama doesn't seem to care, he doesn't seem too surprised that they killed each other.
 

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Hashi beat Madara; Madara himself acknowledges that Hashi was the only worthy opponent. None of the things that Madara has said in the manga have turned out to be false. On top of this Oro, Madara, Obito, Danzo were all after strong senju DNA i.e. hashis. Therefore; this conclusion is debatable. I like uchihas. Hashi acts just like Naruto or Jiraya but I can bet he is as bad-ass when it comes down to a fight.
 

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Hashi beat Madara; Madara himself acknowledges that Hashi was the only worthy opponent. None of the things that Madara has said in the manga have turned out to be false. On top of this Oro, Madara, Obito, Danzo were all after strong senju DNA i.e. hashis. Therefore; this conclusion is debatable. I like uchihas. Hashi acts just like Naruto or Jiraya but I can bet he is as bad-ass when it comes down to a fight.

stop associating sunju's power with hashi's, hashi was just an extremely powerful senju. This manga clearly confirmed that uchiha have way more potential than senju
 

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I think Madara being stronger than Tobirama was obvious when Dan said only Hashirama could beat EMS Madara. Dan didn't know the existence of some shinobi (like Nagato) perhaps, but he did know of the existence of Tobirama.

Hmm I think you misinterpreted what the chapter confirmed. Their love makes them quite sensitive and when they experience despair (losing a loved one or being unable to protect a dear friend, for example) they awaken the Sharingan.
It is relatively easy for them to get this power because they're so sensitive, or impressionable.

agreed.

Though they always go to hatred.... Hatred really powers them up, remember how Obito jumped from a two tomoe Sharingan right to the MS? The hatred actually makes them stronger, so their love is quite dangerous in that sense.

Tobirama doesn't seem to care, he doesn't seem too surprised that they killed each other.

Agreed about the first part. :y

I didn't misunderstand it was exactly the opposite. Tobrama knew about how Uchiha gaining their power and was scared to face another one like Madara. And Madara turned evil because of the double-standards.

People have to understand that you can't governing two big clans like suppressing the one but to give them a chance to be in the policy of Konoha.
Tobirama was a bit selfish which cause even more hatred.

Apparently Uchiha would try to overcome Konoha in that case. They have pride you know?
So this annihilation was inevitable.
And Tobirama is also guilty for that not just Uchiha.
 
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I didn't misunderstand it was exactly the opposite. Tobrama knew about how Uchiha gaining their power and was scared to face another one like Madara. And Madara turned evil because of the double-standards.

People have to understand that you can't governing two big clans like suppressing the one but to give them a chance to be in the policy of Konoha.
Tobirama was a bit selfish which cause even more hatred.

Apparently Uchiha would try to overcome Konoha in that case. They have pride you know?
So this annihilation was inevitable.
And Tobirama is also guilty for that not just Uchiha.

We don't quite know why Madara turned evil, if I recall correctly his clan abandoned him for the Senju values? And Madara sought out Kurama and attacked Konoha with the intention of becoming a Rikudou and fulfilling the Moon's Eye Plan. Hashirama may've hinted that Izuna links to Madara's descent to evil, but Madara is an unknown case at the moment.

There were some Madara sympathizers, that means that most were happy with Tobirama's idea. Though the Uchiha had their own police force, you can say it was a symbol of trust in some ways. That the Uchiha could keep Konoha safe, and they weren't confined to that, they had their own missions too as Konoha shinobi. Tobirama had trust issues, no doubt. However as soon as Hiruzen came in, things were even better as he was a little more like Hashirama.

Now the annihilation wasn't Tobirama's fault. The man at fault is the one who framed the Uchiha clan and made those with Tobirama's views, and perhaps those with more extreme views (Danzo) jump to the idea of the annihilation; even Hiruzen could refute as the framing was done do perfectly.
What I'm saying is Obito is the one who is guilty for the annihilation~ not that Tobirama was a saint either but he wasn't responsible for the massacre.

Though in a sense isn't Tobirama right? Itachi confirmed that Obito is an Uchiha who had a grudge against the clan. Obito's hatred essentially led to the demise of his own clan.
 

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Both clans were always at a stalemate until the final battle between Hashirama and Madara.. As it's been stated many times, Madara and Hashirama and their clans faced off in many years of war until their final battle, so neither clan was above the other, just Hashirama over Madara.


And I still don't agree with Tobirama's exclusionary methods... I believe if Tobirama wouldn't have separated the Uchiha from Konoha it would have been a little more stable. Only thing that could've set the Uchiha off really would be war against other nations and they lost their own. Well, only thing I see...

There was no stalemate buddy. ITs already stated plenty of times who the strongest clan was. lmao.

is see that Hashirama is scared of Sasuke ( a younger Uchiha than Madara)
looks like Hashi is holding his butt close
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someone can't analyze stuff well.
 
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We don't quite know why Madara turned evil, if I recall correctly his clan abandoned him for the Senju values? And Madara sought out Kurama and attacked Konoha with the intention of becoming a Rikudou and fulfilling the Moon's Eye Plan. Hashirama may've hinted that Izuna links to Madara's descent to evil, but Madara is an unknown case at the moment.

There were some Madara sympathizers, that means that most were happy with Tobirama's idea. Though the Uchiha had their own police force, you can say it was a symbol of trust in some ways. That the Uchiha could keep Konoha safe, and they weren't confined to that, they had their own missions too as Konoha shinobi. Tobirama had trust issues, no doubt. However as soon as Hiruzen came in, things were even better as he was a little more like Hashirama.

Now the annihilation wasn't Tobirama's fault. The man at fault is the one who framed the Uchiha clan and made those with Tobirama's views, and perhaps those with more extreme views (Danzo) jump to the idea of the annihilation; even Hiruzen could refute as the framing was done do perfectly.
What I'm saying is Obito is the one who is guilty for the annihilation~ not that Tobirama was a saint either but he wasn't responsible for the massacre.

Though in a sense isn't Tobirama right? Itachi confirmed that Obito is an Uchiha who had a grudge against the clan. Obito's hatred essentially led to the demise of his own clan.

Yes we know, Obito explained long enough. And all of the events that happened started of the double-standarts.

If Tobirama wants Senju above Uchiha in Konoha this union was plain meaningless.
This is not how you have to threatened your ally.
Uchiha are also guilty like I said. You're mising the point.

For me this union was a failure. But of course then there won't be a storyline and such.
 

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There was no stalemate buddy. ITs already stated plenty of times who the strongest clan was. lmao

I would love to see where the senjus were considered the most powerful and would also love to see where the senjus were said to have beaten the uchiha in their battles
 
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