Tobi's E/MS flawed or am I?

[shk1020]

I thought I was on to something here, but maybe not:

I thought i had the surest way to prove tobi cant be obito.

I was going to say that since tobi has been using the MS technique(s) for at least 16 yrs - from naruto's birth, when minato fought tobi - and hasnt gone blind that it might be EMS. and if it is EMS, it means it was transferred from another person (meaning stolen from obito's body). DONE...END OF STORY...TOBI CANT BE OBITO.


HOWEVER...if you think about it, if it WAS stolen / transferred, tobi's eye would have a different looking shape.

as we have seen, everytime a MS eye is transferred, its shape changes. so now im back to my original state - i dont know. xd

its another one of those contradictions. tobi has been using it for years, but hasnt gone blind. but if hes not going blind because he stole it, is should have a different shape.


but what if... you have both senju and uchiha blood? could you prevent your eyes from going blind? it seems that [senju + uchiha] is always the answer to all the problems. (lol).

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Naw you think yes it's cuz of the 1st DNA he is not going blind .

 

[El Batman]

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[~Dream~]

If he had EMS, Kakashi would have it too. That's the best way to explain it.

 

[Cfighter]

I dont know what your basing the "transfer eyes always change shape" theory off of. Especially since I dont recall ever seeing someone hand over a MS Shisui is the only that comes to mind) before.

As for the EMS theory, its always been shown that Tobi has used 3t sharingan, and that was the base for his s/t. There are two ways to approach this however: You could argue that Tobi can use s/t without a MS activated, as we were led to believe in the past OR you can argue that he was always using MS, and Kishi simply waited to show it too us to suspend our believe in who Tobi is.

Now, I dont think Tobi has EMS. I dont really have proof to back up if he does or doesn't, but I just dont think he does. Also, I still am not convinced Tobi is in fact Obito. Tobi has Obito's eye, but I doubt its Obito under the mask. THE REASON I think Tobi can use Kamui juts for such a long period of time without going blind has to do with his Zetsu infused body (Senju DNA). It was shown with Danzou that if you have Senju DNA you can have sharingan activated for as long as you want and even use advanced tech, and not go blind from it (Danzou had used KA and didnt suffer).

 

[R4mbl3]

I don't think Tobi's S/T is an MS ability. His Kamui is an MS ability. Just my opinion.

 

[shk1020]

I dont know what your basing the "transfer eyes always change shape" theory off of. Especially since I dont recall ever seeing someone hand over a MS Shisui is the only that comes to mind) before.

i was referring to madara/izuna and sasuke/itachi. changing sharingans (well MS eyes specifically) changes the shapes of the EMS from the original MS (usually some type of combination).

As for the EMS theory, its always been shown that Tobi has used 3t sharingan, and that was the base for his s/t. There are two ways to approach this however: You could argue that Tobi can use s/t without a MS activated, as we were led to believe in the past OR you can argue that he was always using MS, and Kishi simply waited to show it too us to suspend our believe in who Tobi is.

i dont think the 3 tomoe sharingan can do anything other than a simple genjutsu and read other people's movement in a fight ... and i guess follow chakra of a person who is hiding.

i am assuming that tobi is/was using his E/MS to use the s/t jutsus. unless its a non-sharingan jutsu...but it looks very similar to kakashi's kamui. so ive always assumed that it was the sharingan (E/MS) responsible for tobi's jutsu.

Now, I dont think Tobi has EMS. I dont really have proof to back up if he does or doesn't, but I just dont think he does. Also, I still am not convinced Tobi is in fact Obito. Tobi has Obito's eye, but I doubt its Obito under the mask. THE REASON I think Tobi can use Kamui juts for such a long period of time without going blind has to do with his Zetsu infused body (Senju DNA). It was shown with Danzou that if you have Senju DNA you can have sharingan activated for as long as you want and even use advanced tech, and not go blind from it (Danzou had used KA and didnt suffer).

if tobi turns out to be obito, he should have been blind a long time ago lol. i dont believe tobi is obito either.

danzou wasnt using a sharingan technique. by that i mean, the izanagi was a universal technique for all uchihas. his eye wasnt actually activating any powers, and so it didnt affect him. the senju dna only helped him use izanagi, which was a requirement...normal uchiha cant use it.

danzou did have KA, but he may have only used it once or twice. similar to how kakashi used it only a few times, and still hasnt gone blind (neither did sasuke nor itachi until much later and by overusing it). so having the senju dna probably slows the blinding process down, but we cant be certain if it stops it completely or just gives you more time to use the MS.


EDIT:
actually...tobi's S/T jutsu has to be related to his E/MS because of what kakashi said. kakashi said that he (tobi) has one jutsu (which we now have to pretty much believe) and we know that they share the same dimension. so it means that kakashi and tobi are connected to that dimension through the sharingan (which is also tobi's S/T dimension).

 

[Henchman24]

I think the MS changes shape only when switched with another sharingan. Maybe the MS becomes EMS by switching hosts and not just between siblings. Maybe.

 

[apple pie of doom]

Many options.
Its either because of Hashirama's DNA.

or

It counts as an ems even when its transferred to a non Uchiha, but it does not gain the additional abilities as with a combined sharingan.

Thats why it looks normal.
Tobi might be able tu use it longer because he has greater chakra reserves than Kakashi due to Hashi's DNA.

Remember both Kakashi and Tobi haven't shown any signs of damaged eye sight.

 

[AmaniPaz]

Kakashi would have to have EMS too so this doesn't work.

 

[Higekage]

Yep like you said uchiha + senju dna is the answer to these things, lol

 

[shk1020]

Many options.
Its either because of Hashirama's DNA.

or

It counts as an ems even when its transferred to a non Uchiha, but it does not gain the additional abilities as with a combined sharingan.

Thats why it looks normal.
Tobi might be able tu use it longer because he has greater chakra reserves than Kakashi due to Hashi's DNA.

Remember both Kakashi and Tobi haven't shown any signs of damaged eye sight.

would the eyes really be linked like that? as in if one eye goes blind, the other will too? wouldnt it depend on the user?