Tobirama's way is NOT the senju way...

[KingHashirama]

He didn't believe in them for pretty good reasons.

Tobirama's had predicted they would revolt sooner or later.

They revolted cause of that.. LMAO.

Its obvious. Hashirama is just a naive little child. Tobirama had predicted the Uchiha to rebel and that's what began to happen. Tobirama's way wasn't just the village. It was paving the way for future generations and that's why he implemented institutions such as the ninja academy and ANBU which solidified Konoha as the most prosperous and powerful village in the world. Something more than Hashirama ever did. Hashirama's way would have only caused the village more harm. Ignore it all you want, Tobirama's way was the most realistic and beneficial.

Also, before you start giving Tobirama the credit for everything, shall i remind you who actually CREATED the village?

Is that why Hashirama was reffered to as the God of shinobi ?

Sorry mate, go learn what naive is and then start accusing people of that. Hashirama made more decisions for peace then Tobirama's whole life combined.

So my grandparents who are like Hashirama are less realistic then a fictional character like Tobirama? hmm good to know.

 

[Omnipotent]

Also, before you start giving Tobirama the credit for everything, shall i remind you who actually CREATED the village?

Is that why Hashirama was reffered to as the God of shinobi ?

Sorry mate, go learn what naive is and then start accusing people of that. Hashirama made more decisions for peace then Tobirama's whole life combined.

So my grandparents who are like Hashirama are less realistic then a fictional character like Tobirama? hmm good to know.

The Uchiha Clan and the Senju Clan came together to create the village. If you're going to discredit what Tobirama did, then the same will go for Hashirama.

Hashirama's power has nothing to do with this. Well, with the incorporation of Chuunin Exams alone, Tobirama has stopped short the most potential wars out of any Hokage, or Kage for that matter. It was likely that Hashirama's distribution of the biju he had in his possession fueled the flames for the First Shinobi World War.

I'd love to defend both, but if I have to pick out of the two, I choose Tobirama.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

cuz tobirama is nazi

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At least he didn't kill his comrade which set a guy of and made him try to take over the world but he also attacked the leaf which leaded to uchiha massacre....tobirama >>> kakashi

 

[KingHashirama]

The Uchiha Clan and the Senju Clan came together to create the village. If you're going to discredit what Tobirama did, then the same will go for Hashirama.

Hashirama's power has nothing to do with this. Well, with the incorporation of Chuunin Exams alone, Tobirama has stopped short the most potential wars out of any Hokage, or Kage for that matter. It was likely that Hashirama's distribution of the biju he had in his possession fueled the flames for the First Shinobi World War.

I'd love to defend both, but if I have to pick out of the two, I choose Tobirama.

Sorry buddy, all of that is Hashirama. Hashirama got the 2 clans togather. Hell hes the reason the modern shinobi world is the way it is.. he didn't get the title "GOD OF SHINOBI" just for power..
Hashirama's wood was used.
Hashirama advised and told Tobirama stuff to do before he died.

Better leader is already picked by the village : Hashirama Senju.

Much more stability. Again, this is why I don't like "Smartass" leaders, who think people have to be segregated and etc.
Leaders like Washington (washington) > Jackson ( Tobirama).

Naruto's ideals > Sasuke's ideals.
Goku's> Vegeta's
Dragon's > W.G

"Hashirama's distribution of the biju he had in his possession fueled the flames for the First Shinobi World War."
Of course, cause all the leaders of other villages didn't follow what the Shodai told, just like Tobirama.

I'm not saying Tobirama is a bad leader, but saying he did more for the shinobi world then Hashirama is absurd.

 

[SilverSlick]

They revolted cause of that.. LMAO.



Also, before you start giving Tobirama the credit for everything, shall i remind you who actually CREATED the village?

Is that why Hashirama was reffered to as the God of shinobi ?

Sorry mate, go learn what naive is and then start accusing people of that. Hashirama made more decisions for peace then Tobirama's whole life combined.

So my grandparents who are like Hashirama are less realistic then a fictional character like Tobirama? hmm good to know.

Hashieama created the village, that's great to know. Tobirama was the one to raise it and sustain it as a powerhouse not Hashirama, who was killed shortly after becoming Hokage.

Also, its my opinion that Tobirama's way was the most prosperous leading one. Tobirama may have isolated them, but it was not as bad as most think. From what we know

1. They were never once harmed during Tobirama's administration when in fact a man named Setsuna Uchiha tried to stage a coup himself.
2. Their positioning was strategically reasonable. They were a police force which probably meant they had a prison in the vicinity of their headquarters.
3. No Uchiha were ever restricted from joining the Ninja Academy or the Chuunin exams and were saw equals in the eyes of Tobirama. In fact, Tobirama had an Uchiha on his squad of six named Kagami. This obviously proves he wasn't a discrimanter.
4. They were obviously adept at being the police force

Also, there's nothing wrong with having fear in another Madara. Obito was another Madara and guess what he did? He destroyed half the village. The death of a family member to an Uchiha would some serious damage to their outlook on life as did with Madara and Obito.

Also, I never mentioned your grandparents so please lets not mention our siblings lol. Anyways, my view is that Tobirama's actions were more beneficial than Hashirama's ever would have been. You're a Hashirama fan, I'm a Tobirama fan, our views are bound to collide. Agree to disagree.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashieama created the village, that's great to know. Tobirama was the one to raise it and sustain it as a powerhouse not Hashirama, who was killed shortly after becoming Hokage.

Also, its my opinion that Tobirama's way was the most prosperous leading one. Tobirama may have isolated them, but it was not as bad as most think. From what we know

1. They were never once harmed during Tobirama's administration when in fact a man named Setsuna Uchiha tried to stage a coup himself.
2. Their positioning was strategically reasonable. They were a police force which probably meant they had a prison in the vicinity of their headquarters.
3. No Uchiha were ever restricted from joining the Ninja Academy or the Chuunin exams and were saw equals in the eyes of Tobirama. In fact, Tobirama had an Uchiha on his squad of six named Kagami. This obviously proves he wasn't a discrimanter.
4. They were obviously adept at being the police force

Also, there's nothing wrong with having fear in another Madara. Obito was another Madara and guess what he did? He destroyed half the village. The death of a family member to an Uchiha would some serious damage to their outlook on life as did with Madara and Obito.

Also, I never mentioned your grandparents so please lets not mention our siblings lol. Anyways, my view is that Tobirama's actions were more beneficial than Hashirama's ever would have been. You're a Hashirama fan, I'm a Tobirama fan, our views are bound to collide. Agree to disagree.

Glad to know, Tobirama wasn't completely against the Uchiha.

And I always supported the whole Police force. And also, it was actually Sarutobi who raised it to be a "POWERHOUSE".. even though it was the most powerful during Shodai's time.

I never said there was anything wrong with it.. lol. I just told the people who try to make it seem like he didn't fear anything.

You said , Tobirama is a more realistic character ;x So I brought up a example of a real life Hashirama.

I view that, Hashirama's actions have been beneficial since the starting. lol. He couldn't carry them out because he himself didn't live to carry them out. He is also Tobirama's older brother, with much more experience as a leader.

 

[Omnipotent]

Sorry buddy, all of that is Hashirama. Hashirama got the 2 clans togather. Hell hes the reason the modern shinobi world is the way it is.. he didn't get the title "GOD OF SHINOBI" just for power..
Hashirama's wood was used.
Hashirama advised and told Tobirama stuff to do before he died.

Better leader is already picked by the village : Hashirama Senju.

Much more stability. Again, this is why I don't like "Smartass" leaders, who think people have to be segregated and etc.
Leaders like Washington (washington) > Jackson ( Tobirama).

Naruto's ideals > Sasuke's ideals.
Goku's> Vegeta's
Dragon's > W.G

"Hashirama's distribution of the biju he had in his possession fueled the flames for the First Shinobi World War."
Of course, cause all the leaders of other villages didn't follow what the Shodai told, just like Tobirama.

I'm not saying Tobirama is a bad leader, but saying he did more for the shinobi world then Hashirama is absurd.

It's manga fact that to become the Hokage you must be the strongest in the village. So of course Tobirama wasn't the First Hokage, as EMS Madara and his older brother were in the village.

You're arguing that Hashirama and Tobirama believed in different ideals when I've already explained that Tobirama's actions in this chapter were caused by him believing that Orochimaru was an immediate threat to the village. It's databook fact that they both passed on the ideology that is called the Will of Fire.

It's also manga fact that the Konoha Military Police Force was to channel the power of the Uchiha into something that could actually benefit Konohagakure.

Furthermore, it's databook fact that Tobirama and Tobirama alone was the cause for the creation of the Chuunin Exams, which alone puts him as #1 for most potential wars stopped before they could even start, even after his death.

 

[KingHashirama]

It's manga fact that to become the Hokage you must be the strongest in the village. So of course Tobirama wasn't the First Hokage, as EMS Madara and his older brother were in the village.

You're arguing that Hashirama and Tobirama believed in different ideals when I've already explained that Tobirama's actions in this chapter were caused by him believing that Orochimaru was an immediate threat to the village. It's databook fact that they both passed on the ideology that is called the Will of Fire.

It's also manga fact that the Konoha Military Police Force was to channel the power of the Uchiha into something that could actually benefit Konohagakure.

Furthermore, it's databook fact that Tobirama and Tobirama alone was the cause for the creation of the Chuunin Exams, which alone puts him as #1 for most potential wars stopped before they could even start, even after his death.

Incorrect. SM Naruto was stronger then Kakashi and Danzo, yet who was considered for Hokage?

Hokage is the one who is considered the best leader. Hashirama had already proven that through his statement and declaration of what it means to be a Hokage, which many others failed to follow:

"The fellow countrymen of the Konoha make up each part of my body… those of the village believe in me, and I believe in them. That's what it means to be Hokage!"

Do you really believe the guy who set all this up (The village and etc) would have no plans on how to run it? lol.

Chunin exams = potential wars stopped.. thats sir is your opinion. Chunin exams were created to train ninjas and have their ranks. Am I saying Tobirama was not a great leader? no. I'm stating in front of his brother he was not.
Hashirama had to have some plans on how the village was gonna run... lol.

Its also a fact that he did that to make sure someone like Madara wouldn't rise again, even though we know how that turned out. If he had listened to Hashirama on what to do about the Uchiha.. things would be whole lot different. The "coup" that people mention during Tobirama's time, occured because of Tobirama's decision to put them at the outskirts of Konoha.

How does Orochimaru have anything to do with this?? lol. He just met the chump right now and calls him a "young one"/"kid". lol.

Are you really forgetting how long Hashirama has been leader? lol. He is so far the best leader chosen by the people of konoha.