Tobirama's Shunshin no Jutsu

[Brother Numpsay]

I was thinking where to put him in the category of speed.

Case 1: Madara's stated he was the fastest shinobi of his reign: [

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Keep in mind that Madara has been hiding underground through his whole life, and has been getting intel from the outside world. He had intel from First Shinobi world through the 3rd(<- which he was behind in some acts). Muu and Chiyo had experience Edo Tensei from the 1st Shinobi war. Muu[

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] (Keep in mind Tobirama died in the 1st Shinobi so Edo Tensei was not used in 2nd Shinobi war. So Chiyo knows about the 1st war too).

The reason I brought up Muu knowing about Edo Tensei is because it proves that Muu was during that era when facing Tobirama in a world war (something Madara had knowledge of during that time). And the most important part is that Muu was there during the reign of the 3rd Raikage. Meaning intel shows that 3rd Raikage was in Tobirama's reign. Also Kinkaku and Ginkaku also proves he was.


Case 2:

The reign was over the moment Ay and Minato were introduce. Cee made it clear that Ay's speed was able to be compatible to the likes of yellow flash, Minato (fastest shinobi). Cee was praising Take for keeping up with V1 speed.

Sasuke used Sharingan to keep up with V1 speed while he couldn't keep up with V2 speed.

Case 3:

Here comes the rationality. We can conclude that Sharingan Kakashi was able to keep up with V1 Ay as much as Sasuke, as they have around the same speed, reaction, and Sharingan precog. Kakashi can basically replicate his reaction to that of Sasuke to V1 ay[

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]. This proves that the Arrow was in-between the speed of V1 Raikage and V2.


Conclusion:

-Tobirama was stated to be faster then 3rd Rakage according to Madara, since 3rd Raikage was around the reign of Tobirama.

-3rd Raikage is at V1 Ay's speed.

-Minato/Ay best speed is superior to Tobirama

- Sasuke's Susanoo arrow speed, by feats, was between the speed of V1 and V2 Ay speed.

- Therefore Tobirama Shunshin no Jutsu is around the speed of Susanoo Arrow projectile.

 

[Benjamin King]

Tobirama's Shunshin is on par with Hashirama and Hiruzen. (They reached the battlefield at the same time) Saying 3rd Raikage is like saying Hiruzen is around V1 Ay's speed, so no.

 

[Ansatsuken]

He is as fast as blind madara

 

[roncato]

He is as fast as blind madara

Slower, you mean. SM Madara is hax mode, too op.

 

[LuckyMan]

Some of the information in your premise was wrong. Tobirama lived during the Second Raikage's reign, not during the Thirds. He and the Second Raikage actually teamed up together once and fought Kinkaku + Ginkaku (though it is said they lost to the brothers) and we don't really know what the Second Raikage was capable of. So saying he is faster than Third Raikage could be false because Tobirama was dead during his reign.

 

[RNITBmsage]

isn't shisui the fastest
even though thats mostly hype
also when naruto and minato are in bm they become pretty fast

 

[Gold Lightning]

I don't think so

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Tobirama's Shunshin is on par with Hashirama and Hiruzen. (They reached the battlefield at the same time) Saying 3rd Raikage is like saying Hiruzen is around V1 Ay's speed, so no.

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Some of the information in your premise was wrong. Tobirama lived during the Second Raikage's reign, not during the Thirds.

No he was during the reign of BOTH of them

He and the Second Raikage actually teamed up together once and fought Kinkaku + Ginkaku (though it is said they lost to the brothers) and we don't really know what the Second Raikage was capable of.

They got ambushed. Tobirama was stated to live while no implication that the 2nd Raikage did.

Kinkaku and Ginkaku knew that 3rd Raikage pass the black lightening to Darui, so that shows that 3rd Raikage still reign since the 1st Shinobi war.

So saying he is faster than Third Raikage could be false because Tobirama was dead during his reign.

Get your history straight first.

I don't think so

Because?

 

[Ansatsuken]

He is just slower 10 minute than minato, that how fast he is.

 

[Gold Lightning]

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Because?

Was 3rd raikage even the Raikage of Tobiramas time? Do you even know when 2nd Raikage retired or died?

I'm sure Hiruzen and Third Raikage are around the same age. He would've been quite young, maybe still a teenager at the time, who knows. All I know is that when Tobirama died, Hiruzen was pretty damn young.

And there's no way of knowing how fast the third Raikage was back then, how do you know if his speed improved later on or not?

 

[Ansatsuken]

The important lesson is dont tried to gauge character capabilities if the said character dont have enough feat to tell many thing.

 

[LuckyMan]

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No he was during the reign of BOTH of them They got ambushed. Tobirama was stated to live while no implication that the 2nd Raikage did. Kinkaku and Ginkaku knew that 3rd Raikage pass the black lightening to Darui, so that shows that 3rd Raikage still reign since the 1st Shinobi war. Get your history straight first.

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They TRIED to stage a coup. Key word, TRIED which means their attempt failed and the Second Raikage lived because the coup would have been successful had they killed and overthrew him.

The Third Raikage is along the age of Hiruzen and Danzo so even if he did become Raikage in the first war as you think, he was probably around the same age Hiruzen was when he became Hokage (15-16) so you would be comparing a child Third Raikage to an adult Tobirama which would still lead to your premise being possibly false.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Was 3rd raikage even the Raikage of Tobiramas time? Do you even know when 2nd Raikage retired or died?

I'm sure Hiruzen and Third Raikage are around the same age. He would've been quite young, maybe still a teenager at the time, who knows. All I know is that when Tobirama died, Hiruzen was pretty damn young.

And there's no way of knowing how fast the third Raikage was back then, how do you know if his speed improved later on or not?

Yes he was base on the break down of my OP. Reguardless if you think he was young or not he was strong enough to be kage, along of the ability of black lightening being pass down to processors and RnY.

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They TRIED to stage a coup. Key word, TRIED which means their attempt failed and the Second Raikage lived because the coup would have been successful had they killed and overthrew him.

The Third Raikage is along the age of Hiruzen and Danzo so even if he did become Raikage in the first war as you think, he was probably around the same age Hiruzen was when he became Hokage (15-16) so you would be comparing a child Third Raikage to an adult Tobirama which would still lead to your premise being possibly false.

Viz says nothing of "trying": "The brothers staged a coup d'teact during the alliance ceremony with the Hidden leaf and attacked the Second Raikage and Second Hokage"

Assuming Hiruzen was 15-16. Your speculating the age of Raikage, doesn't change the fact that he became Raikage during his reign. The same man he had the black lightening in his possession and RnY.

 

[DrProof]

Honestly bro. I believe Tobirama > 4th Raikage's Speed, but is < to Minato in speed slightly. Tobirama > All of them in Reflexes though, and that's all that matters tbh.

Why do you think Madara was scared of Tobirama. (f*ck I really need that scan of the fan-made Madara begging for Hashirama to stay because frightened by Tobirama :leaf

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Honestly bro. I believe Tobirama > 4th Raikage's Speed,

Why you think that?

 

[DrProof]

Why you think that?

Are we talking normal Foot speed, or the inclusion of FTG?