Tobirama vs Sasuke

[Misconception]

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This is comparing an almost max Tobirama vs max EMS Sasuke's striking speed and reactions. Sasuke got blitz'd with info on Juubito's speed whilst Tobirama reacted to it and countered by sticking papers bombs and a Hiraishin mark on Juubito. Tobirama did it so fast Juubito didn't even notice. This was against the same opponent with Sasuke have the advantage of seeing Juubito's max speed by the way.

Who is faster between Madara and Sasuke?

That was mindless Juubito ofc he didn't realize all he knew was to attack anything/anyone that got in his way... Also those explosive tags were already on Tobirama they got on Juubito when he moved past him... Also he did react to Juubito try to kill Naruto with the fluid Jinton attack... Sasuke most likly didn't know obito had enough physical strength to break Susanoo with his bare hands...

There's no outlandish claims to Tobirama countering Genjutsu. What is outlandish is the notion of a guy who spent his entire life combatting Uchiha's getting caught in a Sharingan Genjutsu.

Not immature at all, it's common sense from a portrayal standpoint.

Genjutsu isn't going to decide this battle anyways that argument can be thrown out the window...

Lol @ using the Bee situation, when Minato wasn't even trying to kill him.

If you honestly think that, you're implying Bee can unsheathe a sword faster than Obito can use Kamui ( which is moronic ).



Huh? When did Sasuke evade someone as fast as a FTG user?




Sensing / Speed / Clones.

Pick one.

Minato's striking speed is obviously faster than Tobirama's not to mention he's a better S/t user stated by Tobirama himself... Im pretty sure Obito reaction speed from when he was 13 to about 30 have increased... Also he did stop this

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[pateuvasiliu]

I couldn't care less about your interpretations

I'm aware.

Doesn't make you any less wrong.

Also he did stop this

He had the Juubi in him, duh.

 

[shelke]

^ Scans are there. Bee had Minato stalemated via his Katana and he pushed his brother forward as well with Partial transformation - one that would require additional effort. Both times, Minato used FTG. Your back-paddling is always irritating.

 

[Latios]

I think Tobirama can take up to EMS

 

[Penguin]

The same way Tobirama was blitzed? Had he been alive, he would have died there and then, let alone stick papar bombs anywhere. You keep forgetting that Tobirama is not alive and is an Edo. Even getting blitzed would still warrant him an opening. Let's not exaggerate. Madara seems faster.

Let's see Sasuke's Speed Feats as this won't end:

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There are plenty of other feats, but I would high-light only a few ones:

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- Look at the distance between Sasuke and others. They are less than half the size of Sasuke's head -

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- He covered this distance so fast that both Yamato and Sakura didn't even notice him. Another example of eluding line of sight.

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- Mines planted right under the Dragon.
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- Deidara Floating on his Dragon. Look at that Dragon's size and then Deidara's.

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- Sasuke exiting right, Evading ALL of that explosion in a blink of an eye. He jumped up immediately afterwards to avoid the blast.

Comparison with Minato:
Best Minato Body-flicker feat:

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- Note the size here. The size of the cliff and Obito's head. Now compare it to Dragon size, along with Deidara's size and the size of explosion:

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Note: Minato covered the distance exactly from Kyuubi's arm to that cliff -

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That's 'Literally' about thrice the size of distance Minato covered. Minato's best body-flicker feat is laughable before Sasuke.

Heck, Sasuke was able to avoid even this blast size mostly -

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- that is more than ten times the size of the earlier blast.

Sasuke is standing right bellow Deidara -

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and then suddenly he appears behind him.

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- Deidara has no idea when Sasuke got behind him and is shocked, barely escaping his attack.

Sasuke and his team appear to be as big as the prisoner's arm

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- and then Sasuke suddenly appears behind him while cutting his chest open and both Karin and Suigetsu now seem a little smaller than Sasuke's head.

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- He covered such a distance in a blink of an eye and inflicted four deep and precise Katana slashes in that short time. That's how fast his reaction rate is.

This proves that Sasuke can move fast, so fast that people don't notice with - eluding the line of vision - and is fully capable of using Kenjutsu at the same time.

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- Sasuke reacting faster than Minato to save Naruto -

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- Sasuke attacking side by Side with Naruto and reaching Sakura first.


Sasuke is also shown to manipulate Chidori and Fuma Shurikens together - a testament to his reaction rates:

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- Sasuke starts Manipulating Fuma-Shuriken here.
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- Uses his sword as leverage and is using Chidori now as well, all the while he was manipulating Fuma Shurikens as well:

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- Cuts off the Wing here.
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- Simultaneously - through out this maneuver - manipulating Fuma Shurikens as well with wires. As he was shown to do since part one.


Not mention him keeping up with Bee:

He only got stabbed because he was 1) Severely injured 2) Bee deflected his sword with Raiton, leaving him defenseless. But even in that short span of time, Sasuke managed to run Chidori through himself to avoid mortal damage to his vital organs and only received cuts. Remember, this Bee is the same guy who reacted to FTG and V2 lariat.

This is how fast Sasuke's reaction rates are. You are just undermining him, constantly.

@Sky

It is. Show me a scan or anything about some random Uchiha who matched Sasuke - a guy who is touted to rival Madara. Your argument falls flat on this notion alone that Sasuke is a child prodigy with immense talent that far exceeds a regular Uchiha Tobirama fought. Maybe I should start claiming that since Sasuke is an Uchiha, his MS Genjutsu automatically puts him at Itachi's level. Both are Uchiahs. So whatever Itachi does or did, can automatically apply to Sasuke -as they are Uchihas.

@pateuvasiliu

I couldn't care less about your interpretations. As soon as they saw Bee's Partial transformation - it was their cue to leave as one Ninja shouted out. Bee reacted both times to his FTG. Him being blood-lusted or not is an irrelevant point. Would it make Minato faster some how?

None of your links are working for me.

That was mindless Juubito ofc he didn't realize all he knew was to attack anything/anyone that got in his way... Also those explosive tags were already on Tobirama they got on Juubito when he moved past him... Also he did react to Juubito try to kill Naruto with the fluid Jinton attack... Sasuke most likly didn't know obito had enough physical strength to break Susanoo with his bare hands...

Genjutsu isn't going to decide this battle anyways that argument can be thrown out the window...

Minato's striking speed is obviously faster than Tobirama's not to mention he's a better S/t user stated by Tobirama himself... Im pretty sure Obito reaction speed from when he was 13 to about 30 have increased... Also he did stop this

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That was the same Juubito that Tobirama reacted to. Sasuke didn't in the scan I posted. Are you saying Tobirama did not stick the paper bombs on him when Juubito blitz'd him?

Tobirama said Minato has a better hiraishin, not a faster one. Please don't speculate on how instant > instant. u.u

 

[Latios]

Can Tobirama dodge enton spam is the real question xD

 

[Misconception]

None of your links are working for me.



That was the same Juubito that Tobirama reacted to. Sasuke didn't in the scan I posted. Are you saying Tobirama did not stick the paper bombs on him when Juubito blitz'd him?

Tobirama said Minato has a better hiraishin, not a faster one. Please don't speculate on how instant > instant. u.u

When is comes down to who can speedblitz better it comes down to striking speed not Ftg i never even said Minato's was faster...

Enough of this debate can we all agree EMS Sasuke> Tobirama.???

 

[Penguin]

When is comes down to who can speedblitz better it comes down to striking speed not Ftg i never even said Minato's was faster...

Enough of this debate can we all agree EMS Sasuke> Tobirama.???

False. Striking speed = better CQC. Foot speed helps with blitzes. Read Kisame vs KCM Naruto.

I am undecided, though I lean toward Sasuke juts by feats.

 

[Misconception]

Tobirama beats any Sasuke but Ems... #Thread...

 

[shelke]

None of your links are working for me.



That was the same Juubito that Tobirama reacted to. Sasuke didn't in the scan I posted. Are you saying Tobirama did not stick the paper bombs on him when Juubito blitz'd him?

Tobirama said Minato has a better hiraishin, not a faster one. Please don't speculate on how instant > instant. u.u

Check out my post in Hebi Sasuke Versus Kakuzu thread and my Tournament Discussion. All scans are there. Regardless, Sasuke reacted Faster than KCM Minato to save Naruto and with Susano'o, then again to strike Obito with enton arrows at that and made it back to Sakura faster.

 

[Fresco]

Since Sasuke was ballsy enough to fight A in taijutsu, I'm sure he'd do the same against Tobirama, and he would surely lose.

 

[shelke]

^ Sigh ...

Out of context interpretations. Dime a dozen here.

 

[Penguin]

Check out my post in Hebi Sasuke Versus Kakuzu thread and my Tournament Discussion. All scans are there. Regardless, Sasuke reacted Faster than KCM Minato to save Naruto and with Susano'o, then again to strike Obito with enton arrows at that and made it back to Sakura faster.

That was during the tbb on Minato's arm correct?

 

[shelke]

Didn't notice it, the scan has been posted by Misconception.

 

[Fresco]

^ Sigh ...

Out of context interpretations. Dime a dozen here.

How so? I'm saying Sasuke loses the Taijutsu battle...

 

[shelke]

How so? I'm saying Sasuke loses the Taijutsu battle...

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- Bee sweating at Sasuke's sudden speed spike.

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- Sasuke had a decisive upper hand in Single Sword combat.

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- No Sharingan but perfect Kenjutsu counters.

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- Turns on Sharingan here.

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- Still able to deflect it with just a tiny cut.

The reason why he was stabbed:

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- Tries Kusagani, but as Jins are closely guarded secrets, he doesn't know that Bee would have Raiton release as well.

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- Bee deflects his sword attack, stabbing him.

But even in this short - extremely short - period before Bee could actually stab Sasuke, he ran Chidori through his body to completely avoid mortally wounding his organs:

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The reason why he couldn't dodge properly was because of this:

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- The wounds Itachi gave him never healed at all.

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- Obito calls his wounds were severe.

It isn't as cut and dry as you'd assume.

 

[Latios]

If you have the patience, go through this:

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- Bee sweating at Sasuke's sudden speed spike.

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- Sasuke had a decisive upper hand in Single Sword combat.

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- No Sharingan but perfect Kenjutsu counters.

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- Turns on Sharingan here.

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- Still able to deflect it with just a tiny cut.

The reason why he was stabbed:

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- Tries Kusagani, but as Jins are closely guarded secrets, he doesn't know that Bee would have Raiton release as well.

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- Bee deflects his sword attack, stabbing him.

But even in this short - extremely short - period before Bee could actually stab Sasuke, he ran Chidori through his body to completely avoid mortally wounding his organs:

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The reason why he couldn't dodge properly was because of this:

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- The wounds Itachi gave him never healed at all.

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- Obito calls his wounds were severe.

It isn't as cut and dry as you'd assume.

Your links don't work :I

 

[Conspirator.]

Anyone who actually believes Tobirama beats EMS Sasuke needs their IQ Checked. Since this is EMS Sasuke, he fights by primarily spamming EMS techniques(so that argument that he will start with taijutsu is crap.) Furthermore, since he knows about the FTG, he would likely start by creating a ring of flames around himself. That way, there is no way Tobirama can even come close to him without getting burnt. HIs only move that even has a chance of getting through sasuke's v4 susanoo is his edo tensei explosions, but I still firmly believe that susanoo will tank/absorb most of the damage.

Furthermore, Sasuke can get in the air via his hawk and proceed to spam amaterasu all over the battlefield.(Tobirama has zero ways of hurting him then) This will completely resrict tobiramas movements and negate his speed advantage(which is the only advantage he has over sasuke), so even if he spreads hiarishin across the battlefield, he will get burnt. The hard truth is that sasuke doesn't even need PS to wipe the floor with Tobirama.

As far as genjutsu, Sasuke is a very SKILLED genjutsu practioner. Obito mentioned this when he fought Danzo. He might not be able to 1 shot tobirama with it(the way itachi or shisui might be able to) but he can still trick him with it like he did to Danzo(a "more experienced" shinobi than Sasuke) by making him think there is no enton on a hiarshin mark he has when there actually is.... Overall, EMS Sasuke(No PS) wins mid diff. We still don't know how poweruful his PS is, but with it, he obviously wins with lower difficulty than he does without.

 

[Latios]

Anyone who actually believes Tobirama beats EMS Sasuke needs their IQ Checked. Since this is EMS Sasuke, he fights by primarily spamming EMS techniques(so that argument that he will start with taijutsu is crap.) Furthermore, since he knows about the FTG, he would likely start by creating a ring of flames around himself. That way, there is no way Tobirama can even come close to him without getting burnt. HIs only move that even has a chance of getting through sasuke's v4 susanoo is his edo tensei explosions, but I still firmly believe that susanoo will tank/absorb most of the damage.

Furthermore, Sasuke can get in the air via his hawk and proceed to spam amaterasu all over the battlefield.(Tobirama has zero ways of hurting him then) This will completely resrict tobiramas movements and negate his speed advantage(which is the only advantage he has over sasuke), so even if he spreads hiarishin across the battlefield, he will get burnt. The hard truth is that sasuke doesn't even need PS to wipe the floor with Tobirama.

As far as genjutsu, Sasuke is a very SKILLED genjutsu practioner. Obito mentioned this when he fought Danzo. He might not be able to 1 shot tobirama with it(the way itachi or shisui might be able to) but he can still trick him with it like he did to Danzo(a "more experienced" shinobi than Sasuke) by making him think there is no enton on a hiarshin mark he has when there actually is.... Overall, EMS Sasuke(No PS) wins mid diff. We still don't know how poweruful his PS is, but with it, he obviously wins with lower difficulty than he does without.

Can't Tobirama shoot Sasuke out of the air with his long range Suiton? And I don't think Sasuke is as skilled with Genjutsu as you say he is.

 

[Vega]

I'd say both EMS Sasukes defeat Tobirama.