Tobirama vs Orochimaru

[Haizaki]

Tobimara:
Ftg
Suiton
Sensing
(hyped speed)

Part 1 Orochimaru:
Futon
Snake sensing
Summoning (snake variation)
Sealing
Attack prevention

Both:
Shadow clones
Body flicker
Kenjutsu


-Orochimaru effortlessly avoids/dodges his offenses (suiton)
-Futon jutsu (which havent been shown to require hand seals) dispose of clones if they attempt to engage in close combat, as well ftg markings.
- shadow hands assist w/ any kenjutsu

So, with this considered alone I don't see how one can completely discredit part 1 Orochimaru chances against Tobimara when he lacks the tools to combat Orochimaru.

Lol Tobirama's clones easily laughs at Fuuton. His clone(who's supposed to be weaker and less versatile with FTG

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) Teleported to Juubito, Teleported Juubito away and landed a surprise attack on him. Don't forget he could sense as well

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Shadow hands? Don't know but Orochimaru has not reaction feats that suggest he can last in a CQC against Tobirama. Tobirama destroys him in this aspect. Suidanha should be able cut through Manda.

In the second Scenario, Gojo one shots Oro.

 

[Benjamin King]

Given to how Orochimaru was going to get killed by 4-Tailed Kyuubi's TBB, Gojo does the job effectively.

 

[blazekev90]

Lol Tobirama's clones easily laughs at Fuuton. His clone(who's supposed to be weaker and less versatile with FTG

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) Teleported to Juubito, Teleported Juubito away and landed a surprise attack on him. Don't forget he could sense as well

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Shadow hands? Don't know but Orochimaru has not reaction feats that suggest he can last in a CQC against Tobirama. Tobirama destroys him in this aspect. Suidanha should be able cut through Manda.

In the second Scenario, Gojo one shots Oro.

lol no shadow clone can't withstand a certain degree of damage, otherwise they'll disappear. Clones being teleported isn't comparable to Orochimaru's futun that not only destroyed a fraction of a Forrest, but was able to put two Anbu and the 3rd Hokage on there ass. Therefore, the moment a clones try to close the distance, they'll be a smoke cloud, as it wouldn't be able to withstand the impact.

Orochimaru was shown incredible hand speed using kenjutsu. Shadow hands is secondary, as the snakes themselves can sense and attempt to latch onto Tobimara in CQC. They're there to assist and make their presence known, possibly hindering his movements.

Suidanha could possibly cut Manda, but it'll be a matter of it catching him. Considering the few hand seals wielded, Tobirama breathing in, Manda would have enough time to react.

 

[Haizaki]

lol no shadow clone can't withstand a certain degree of damage, otherwise they'll disappear. Clones being teleported isn't comparable to Orochimaru's futun that not only destroyed a fraction of a Forrest, but was able to put two Anbu and the 3rd Hokage on there ass. Therefore, the moment a clones try to close the distance, they'll be a smoke cloud, as it wouldn't be able to withstand the impact.

They'd dodge it or teleport away. Clones can teleport to their original if needed..Not to mention that's assuming if Orochimaru can keep up with them in terms of blowing them away with Fuuton if they're coming at him especially considering the Futon travels in his lne of sight

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Orochimaru was shown incredible hand speed using kenjutsu. Shadow hands is secondary, as the snakes themselves can sense and attempt to latch onto Tobimara in CQC. They're there to assist and make their presence known, possibly hindering his movements.

Bro nooooo. Not a chance of him keeping up with Tobirama speed in a CQC. A guy who marked a Juubi Jin 5 times when contact was made. Snakes can easily be taken out with any water style Jutsu as Tobirama can even have clones assist him distract Oro.

Suidanha could possibly cut Manda, but it'll be a matter of it catching him. Considering the few hand seals wielded, Tobirama breathing in, Manda would have enough time to react.

True True..but Manda is big enough to get caught eventually. He can hold it in and eventually release it when he covers the distance or even teleport and release it.

 

[blazekev90]

They'd dodge it or teleport away. Clones can teleport to their original if needed..Not to mention that's assuming if Orochimaru can keep up with them in terms of blowing them away with Fuuton if they're coming at him especially considering the Futon travels in his lne of sight

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Bro nooooo. Not a chance of him keeping up with Tobirama speed in a CQC. A guy who marked a Juubi Jin 5 times when contact was made. Snakes can easily be taken out with any water style Jutsu as Tobirama can even have clones assist him distract Oro.


True True..but Manda is big enough to get caught eventually. He can hold it in and eventually release it when he covers the distance or even teleport and release it.

No, it's a One dimensional jutsu. You misunderstand its purpose for that given situation, Orochimaru controlled that direction/outcome of that fuuton purposely to separate Naruto from Sasuke and Sakura, afterwards coming in pretending to be Naruto. This was incredible feat, that's highly overlooked. Similarly, Tobimara has shown the same ability with his suition as an Edo in part 1. Also, if you still have doubt, he has the ability to use clones, as Tobimara would to cover any direction.

Lol Oh yes, the hype surrounding Tobirama is everlasting, yet people never took time to understand what happened. The tags appeared on both sides of Obito, yet Tobimara only can in contact with his right side. People ignore the fact that he's an edo, tags, or as some put it "ash" appear automatically and when damaged. Kish didn't even bother to recap what transpired, as he normally does when unexpected occurs, we concluded this. However, people still believe that he managed to touch Obito on both sides, yet failed to lay a finger on Madara.

Nevertheless, I'm not here to convince you how fast Tobirmara hand speed is, we have multiple scans that could decide that.

Again, he isn't the only one with clones in this situation.

Manda may or may not get caught. Manda travels underground, so he can hold it as long as he pleases.

Still not seeing a clear victory for Tobirama against a restricted part 1 Orochimaru lol

 

[Haizaki]

No, it's a One dimensional jutsu. You misunderstand its purpose for that given situation, Orochimaru controlled that direction/outcome of that fuuton purposely to separate Naruto from Sasuke and Sakura, afterwards coming in pretending to be Naruto. This was incredible feat, that's highly overlooked. Similarly, Tobimara has shown the same ability with his suition as an Edo in part 1. Also, if you still have doubt, he has the ability to use clones, as Tobimara would to cover any direction.

Then show me its purpose for a different situation? Anyways Tobirama can evade the jutsu easily or even recreate clones if needed even though this won't be the case

Lol Oh yes, the hype surrounding Tobirama is everlasting, yet people never took time to understand what happened. The tags appeared on both sides of Obito, yet Tobimara only can in contact with his right side. People ignore the fact that he's an edo, tags, or as some put it "ash" appear automatically and when damaged. Kish didn't even bother to recap what transpired, as he normally does when unexpected occurs, we concluded this. However, people still believe that he managed to touch Obito on both sides, yet failed to lay a finger on Madara.

Nope they appeared on both sides and it was done by only one person. That's why Minato says

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Without a doubt. Him being able to touch Obito was due to the fact that he reacted to Obito. Him landing the TSB on Obito was because he marked him and still was able to land the hit which Shinobi's like B reacted to from behind. Meanwhile in Madara's case, he tried to attack him while Madara reacted despite not being tagged..Not to mention, Tobirama did react to SM Madara trying to hit him

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. Orochimaru doesn't compare to SM Madara and Juubito in terms of speed and reaction. He gets shitstomped in a CQC as far as we know.

Again, he isn't the only one with clones in this situation.

Tobirama's clones>>>>> Oro's clones anyday

Manda may or may not get caught. Manda travels underground, so he can hold it as long as he pleases.

Manda can play this game till his time limit is up as a summon.

Still not seeing a clear victory for Tobirama against a restricted part 1 Orochimaru lol

As long as Tobirama can tag him, sense him and react to him.. this guy can't win.

 

[blazekev90]

Then show me its purpose for a different situation? Anyways Tobirama can evade the jutsu easily or even recreate clones if needed even though this won't be the case



Nope they appeared on both sides and it was done by only one person. That's why Minato says

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Without a doubt. Him being able to touch Obito was due to the fact that he reacted to Obito. Him landing the TSB on Obito was because he marked him and still was able to land the hit which Shinobi's like B reacted to from behind. Meanwhile in Madara's case, he tried to attack him while Madara reacted despite not being tagged..Not to mention, Tobirama did react to SM Madara trying to hit him

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. Orochimaru doesn't compare to SM Madara and Juubito in terms of speed and reaction. He gets shitstomped in a CQC as far as we know.



Tobirama's clones>>>>> Oro's clones anyday



Manda can play this game till his time limit is up as a summon.


As long as Tobirama can tag him, sense him and react to him.. this guy can't win.

The purpose would be to prevent Tobimara from closing in on Orochimaru, idc if he can evade the jutsu lol

"Quick to act"? And? He obviously planned the attack, which in itself was impressive. This doesn't mean he physically placed them on each side. But like I said, that's something one has to chose to believe for themselves. The rest is irrelevant, as it becomes nothing more than A>B>C arguement.

Idk what makes you because his shadow clones are superior to any other shadow clone lol

Ok, it's a matter of cat-dog. That works with me

Tags require physical contact which can be prevented. I'm simply showing that even a part 1 Orochimaru with one or two jutsu can stalemate such opponents. You're best bet is to wait for Orochimaru to run out of chakra.

Dat Orochi =D

 

[KingHashirama]

Tobirama mid-diff.

Hes on a different tier.

The purpose would be to prevent Tobimara from closing in on Orochimaru, idc if he can evade the jutsu lol

"Quick to act"? And? He obviously planned the attack, which in itself was impressive. This doesn't mean he physically placed them on each side. But like I said, that's something one has to chose to believe for themselves. The rest is irrelevant, as it becomes nothing more than A>B>C arguement.

Idk what makes you because his shadow clones are superior to any other shadow clone lol

Ok, it's a matter of cat-dog. That works with me

Tags require physical contact which can be prevented. I'm simply showing that even a part 1 Orochimaru with one or two jutsu can stalemate such opponents. You're best bet is to wait for Orochimaru to run out of chakra.

Dat Orochi =D

I can hit you faster if you are also coming my way with high speed.. However, if you were to stand still you can have a higher chance of countering me.

No clue how you came to the conclusion that Tobirama/Madara = Tobirama/Obito situations..

 

[blazekev90]

Tobirama mid-diff.

Hes on a different tier.


I can hit you faster if you are also coming my way with high speed.. However, if you were to stand still you can have a higher chance of countering me.

No clue how you came to the conclusion that Tobirama/Madara = Tobirama/Obito situations..

I didn't. He used the Obito/Tobimara incident to exemplify how fast Tobirama's hand speed is believed to be. However, that wouldn't be the case in this situation, as it would be Tobirama on the offense, going for the strike, similarly against Madara.

Exactly. That's the point made.

 

[Red Slayer]

Oro wins both

 

[Haizaki]

The purpose would be to prevent Tobimara from closing in on Orochimaru, idc if he can evade the jutsu lol

He has what it takes to avoid it. If Tobirama teleports to him, I don't see Oro using that since he won't be seeing Tobirama running at him.

"Quick to act"? And? He obviously planned the attack, which in itself was impressive. This doesn't mean he physically placed them on each side. But like I said, that's something one has to chose to believe for themselves. The rest is irrelevant, as it becomes nothing more than A>B>C arguement.

Even so, he tagged him as well as place tags on him that fast.

Idk what makes you because his shadow clones are superior to any other shadow clone lol

Lool Are you talking about Tobirama's shadow clones?

Ok, it's a matter of cat-dog. That works with me

Lool Manda would eventually lose here haha

Tags require physical contact which can be prevented. I'm simply showing that even a part 1 Orochimaru with one or two jutsu can stalemate such opponents. You're best bet is to wait for Orochimaru to run out of chakra.

Nahh Orochimaru can't. If it comes down to a close combat fight, he'll get tagged and blitzed Lol.

Oro's best bet is to fall before Tobirama Lol.

Dat Orochi =D

Tobirama>>Oro =D

 

[blazekev90]

He has what it takes to avoid it. If Tobirama teleports to him, I don't see Oro using that since he won't be seeing Tobirama running at him.



Even so, he tagged him as well as place tags on him that fast.



Lool Are you talking about Tobirama's shadow clones?



Lool Manda would eventually lose here haha



Nahh Orochimaru can't. If it comes down to a close combat fight, he'll get tagged and blitzed Lol.

Oro's best bet is to fall before Tobirama Lol.


Tobirama>>Oro =D

Ftg relies on Kunia or a marking be inj placed. Orochimaru's fuuton deflects the kunia and/or destroys the nearby environemt. What aren't you getting about this?! Tobirama using ftg successfully would be problematic when there is no opening to initiate strategy.

As Hashi expressed, a standing target has a better chance at anticipating their opponents movements and counterings their attacks. There's noting leading me or you, that Tobirama speed (not ftg) is too fast for Orochimaru to react to

Where are you getting this idea the his shadow clones differs from any others?!?

Eventually....no definate manner, just hopeful wishing. That's a great argument lol

Tobirama>= part 1 Orochimaru w/ part 1 feats and no Edo