Tobirama vs Obito

[Draphsin]

What 10 minute duration?

The length of his izanagi at least, konan prepped explosions to go off for

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, obito used izanagi & appeared behind konan

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her jutsu finished. Therefore, his izanagi has a 10 minute duration. Further proof it was 10 minutes long is the fact that his eye closed

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said explosion & danzo's only closed after

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[Ababeel]

[=DemonSenju;17974095]FTG is the same speed :| Minato has faster footspeed.

You did not prove Tobirama wrong with anything though. /:

Yondaime Hokage the man who inherited it and elevated it

Minato polished, refined, evolved the technique to surpass the original

No where did i read Minato's FTG was faster than Tobiramas. It said Minato refined and improved it. Which he did; he has multiple kunai tagged and floods the battlefield with kunai and he created the FTG barrier.

But saying Minato's FTG is faster? Show me the scan where it says that. They're both instant.

-Tobirama was using Kunais as well, haven't you seen his fight against Madara? So how is that improvement? Lol
Also, because of what Minato did to the jutu he gained the nickname "Yallow-Flash" Tobirama was never able to get any.

As for scans, even though it's already proven that Minato's is superior. lol

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Here they teleported, and Minato arrived first
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Tobirama teleported first, and yet Minato arrived before him

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Kishi never said Minato's FTG was faster Lol

Lol
Just because you deny what he said that does not mean that he did not say it. Lol

Nope. FTG is instant. Minato's footspeed > Tobiramas

Again, just because you chose to deny fact does not mean they are not fact. lol
Yes, Minato's footspeed >>>> Tobirama, AND his FTG > Tobirama's as proben previously.


but again, if you don't want to take the manga it's up to you, which also means we will have to stop here
because I can't argue with you otherwise when you deny Kishi's words, and even Tobirama's. *_*

....Itachi doesn't have PS that's a terrible example

Lol

Fine
there's the ET, can you give Kabuto's feats, to Tobirama with it even though he's superior to him?
Or Naruto's SM feats to Minato or Jiraiya?
or Naruto's feats with clones to Kakashi for example?
Or Obito's feat with 1 sharingan using the Izanagi to Danzo?
Or A's speed in his lightning armour to his father? Or his father's toughness to him?

and so on and so forth. It was stated that Minato's is better, so it is. It's really that simple, and therefore
Tobirama can never have feats for a superior shinobi to him. Lol

 

[Haizaki]

Manga didn't show Tobirama teleporting first so that right there is false. Not to mention you're wrong in that scenario since they teleported first to the carved faces

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Tobirama has superior reaction feats to Minato so he reacts to Obito in any case here.

 

[Gold Lightning]

No it's not. He tagged Juubito 5 times. ..and Minato couldn't

Lol, still Fanfic. When I see the such a statement from the manga or databook, instead of poorly reasoned fan speculation, then I'll believe it.

Manga, says whose faster. Databook says whose FTG is better. Yet I'm not seeing anything about reflexes, just a baseless assumption devised by a small portion of morons.

Your reasoning is most laughable. It's like saying Guy is stronger than Hashirama, because he pushed Madara back, while Hashirama couldn't Lol. Not once did Tobirama directly engage perfect Juubi Jin Obito, you're using a comparison that involves two compeltey different Obitos. A weaker mindless version, against a perfect full power version -_-. One eyed Madara gave Tobirama a harsh lesson in reflexes and reactions, I didn't see that amazing tagging and striking speed in that confrontation, despite the sneak attack.

On topic:
Tobirama wins both scenarios. Full intel puts this in tobiramas favour. Shadow clones are the key. Obito can't warp any Tobirama, otherwise he'll get struck from the other dimension. Izanagi is useless due to sensing. Scenario 2, GFK to bypass the 5 mins of intangibility.

 

[Ababeel]

Manga didn't show Tobirama teleporting first so that right there is false. Not to mention you're wrong in that scenario since they teleported first to the carved faces

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Tobirama has superior reaction feats to Minato so he reacts to Obito in any case here.

Whether he teleported first or or at the same time, Minato arraived first in both cases, and therefore he's faster.

Minato reacted to 8th Gate Gai at the 5th step, which is the fastest step. Who's by the way faster than Obito.
That's superior to any feat Tobirama ever had. Not to mention, losing half of his body in the process is barely impressive.
What the point of tagging someone if you're going to "die"?

Not to mention, the explosion tags were already inside of Tobirama's body to begin with. Is like saying this guy

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Is faster than A, because he got obito, while A did not

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Otherwise, why couldn't Tobirama do anything at all to Madara?
Who was at that point weaker, and slower than Obito!

It's also the same case for Minato, but even less in Minato's case because he does not use explosion tags to begin with. If he was a user of that, and tried and failed, then yes, you have a point, but he was not even going to do that. They are completely different jutsus as Minato was going to use his long-named jutsu.

 

[Ababeel]

Scenario 2, GFK to bypass the 5 mins of intangibility.

If he used 1 GFK he's going to kill himself as well. Obito could easily use his black rods to immobilize him at that time.

互乗起爆札 gojou kibakufuda (Mutually Multiplying Explosive Tags)
Ninjutsu
A-rank; Offensive; Close-range
User: Senju Tobirama

忍術
互乗起爆札（ごじょうきばくふだ）
A・功・近
使用者　千手扉間

炸裂不断の起爆札
堅甲すらも塵と化す

札が札を寄せした後に爆発する、特殊な起爆札。
二代目火影が”穢土転生”と組み合わせるために開発した。
発動から凄まじい炸裂が続くため高確率で術者は巻き込まれる。
生身でやれば死は免れぬ、捨てた身の爆砕術だ。

術の発動はタイミングが肝心。
不意を突くことで絶対な効果を発揮する。

標的に付いたが最後、肉片と化すまで爆発は続く…。
激しい爆破音がその攻撃の熾烈さを物語る。

"Relentlessly violent detonations of explosion tags
Reducing even tough armours to dust

Tags that summon more tags that then explode - a special explosion tag.
The Second Hokage developed this for the purpose of combining it with “Edo Tensei”.
Upon ACTIVATION, due to the devastating (terribly violent) explosions, it is highly probable that the jutsu-caster will be caught in it.
If a live PERSON performs the technique, death is inevitable, for it is a blast technique that sacrifices one’s life (body).

(Tobirama vs SAGE Obito)
The timing for the invocation (activation) of the jutsu is crucial.
A surprise attack will demonstrate absolute (certain, guranteed) results.

(Gamakichi avoiding the blast radius)
At the end of hitting the target (enemy), even if reduced to pieces of flesh (meat confetti), the explosions CONTINUE….
The thunderous roar of the explosions speaks for that attack’s brutality (severity).”

That's why the rest of his body was completely destroyed after he used the jutsu.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Scenario 2 is Edo Tobirama, he's immortal

 

[Omar19992010]

Scenario 2 is Edo Tobirama, he's immortal

Not really. Black rods immobilize him or Obito soul rips him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Not really. Black rods immobilize him or Obito soul rips him.

I know, I'm saying that GFK won't kill him as an edo

 

[VongolaX]

The length of his izanagi at least, konan prepped explosions to go off for

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, obito used izanagi & appeared behind konan

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her jutsu finished. Therefore, his izanagi has a 10 minute duration. Further proof it was 10 minutes long is the fact that his eye closed

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said explosion & danzo's only closed after

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He can go longer, considering that Madara went a whole week.

 

[Haizaki]

Whether he teleported first or or at the same time, Minato arraived first in both cases, and therefore he's faster.

No one said so..All I did was correct you're flawed attempt. Never was it shown who teleported first so don't use that.

Minato reacted to 8th Gate Gai at the 5th step, which is the fastest step. Who's by the way faster than Obito.
That's superior to any feat Tobirama ever had. Not to mention, losing half of his body in the process is barely impressive.
What the point of tagging someone if you're going to "die"?

@Bold, you don't want to start that here. I've dealt with that numerous time...Tell me Gaara's sand moves as fast or faster than 8G Gai as well.
This is Minato getting caught here

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or let's talk about his reaction with Hirashin in a stronger mode

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He reacted and tagged him 5 times. Minato had an encounter with him but couldn't even touch him while he lost his hand also showing his reaction with Hirashin. Tagging someone 5 times is damn impressive when they are moving constantly.

Not to mention, the explosion tags were already inside of Tobirama's body to begin with. Is like saying this guy

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Is faster than A, because he got obito, while A did not

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Irrelevant since he didn't even get Obito . Obito got contaminated because he touched the other guy

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and reacted to that same guy here

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Not a good point you used at all.

Otherwise, why couldn't Tobirama do anything at all to Madara?
Who was at that point weaker, and slower than Obito!

We're talking of reaction speed. Tobirama reacted to Juubito who's faster and also reacted to Madara

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It's also the same case for Minato, but even less in Minato's case because he does not use explosion tags to begin with. If he was a user of that, and tried and failed, then yes, you have a point, but he was not even going to do that. They are completely different jutsus as Minato was going to use his long-named jutsu.

Don't know what you're talking about but it's clear that Tobirama has better reactions regardless of Minato's Shunsin being better.

You forget Minato had BM which is supposed to enhance him far more in terms of speed. Imagine the difference between Base Naruto and BM Naruto? Yet Minato didn't show anything that puts him on a whole new level especially his reaction with Hirashin against Juubito.

 

[Demonic.]

-Tobirama was using Kunais as well, haven't you seen his fight against Madara? So how is that improvement? Lol
Also, because of what Minato did to the jutu he gained the nickname "Yallow-Flash" Tobirama was never able to get any.

Just because Minato had the nickname "Yellow Flash" doesn't mean shit. Madara said Tobirama was once hailed as "the fastest shinobi" in the world so he did have a title.

And Minato did upgrade FTG by applying the formula to more prepped markings and creating the FTG barrier.

As for scans, even though it's already proven that Minato's is superior. lol

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Here they teleported, and Minato arrived first
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Tobirama teleported first, and yet Minato arrived before him

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After they arrived Tobirama said "4th your shunshin is better than mine" this means FTG was not the only thing used to get to the battlefield. They used footspeed, which Minato is superior to Tobirama in. That's why he arrived first.

Lol
Just because you deny what he said that does not mean that he did not say it. Lol

I'm not denying anything. Lol FTG is the same speed. Nowhere is it stated it's not

Again, just because you chose to deny fact does not mean they are not fact. lol
, AND his FTG > Tobirama's as proben previously.

In its use and application, yes. But they're both the same speed. FTG = instant.

but again, if you don't want to take the manga it's up to you, which also means we will have to stop here
because I can't argue with you otherwise when you deny Kishi's words, and even Tobirama's. *_*

The manga never says Tobiramas FTG is slower than Minato's though.....

 

[Ababeel]

I know, I'm saying that GFK won't kill him as an edo

When he regenerates. Just like with all the other ET.

=Haizaki;17974854]No one said so..All I did was correct you're flawed attempt. Never was it shown who teleported first so don't use that.

As I said, it does not matter. If Tobirama teleported first, or at the same time as Minato, both leads to the same conclusion.

@Bold, you don't want to start that here. I've dealt with that numerous time...Tell me Gaara's sand moves as fast or faster than 8G Gai as well.
This is Minato getting caught here

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or let's talk about his reaction with Hirashin in a stronger mode

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I don't know what all of these have to do with each other, you're just pulling out excuses to downplay his feats, either way.
1- Gaara knows that his sand is slower, and he told that to Minato, but Minato said "It's ok I AM here" because he was the one who provide the support, and that's why he was giving them his Kunais.

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2- Irrelevant. One he was not using his FTG, and two, obviously that would happen since he was attacking obito who used his Kamui, and his chains behind him. Lol Even though I don't know what does that have to do with anything.

3- One his modes do not effect his FTG. 2, he lost 1 arm. Tobirama lost half of his body, and against weaker and slower
Obito. It does not make sense to compare the two. Would you accept that Minato would fodderstomps JJ obito, because he did to Kamui, and Rinnegan obito?

He reacted and tagged him 5 times. Minato had an encounter with him but couldn't even touch him while he lost his hand also showing his reaction with Hirashin. Tagging someone 5 times is damn impressive when they are moving constantly.

The explosion tags are inside of Tobirama's body as we saw him pulling them out. When OBito fodderized him, those got stuck to obito, it has nothing to do with Tobirama's reflexes. U_U

Irrelevant since he didn't even get Obito . Obito got contaminated because he touched the other guy

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and reacted to that same guy here

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Not a good point you used at all.

Good. The same like Tobirama, he touched Obito once with the FTG, the tags stuck to him because he destroyed Tobirama's edo body, just like what happened in those links. They have nothing to do with reaction and reflexes.
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the explosion tags comes from his body, and he also stabbed himself to do pull them out.

We're talking of reaction speed. Tobirama reacted to Juubito who's faster and also reacted to Madara

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So why did he not cover Madara's body with explosion tags as well? Wouldn't that make it easier for him?
Or he just can't because Madara did not crush his body the same why obito did? Lol

Don't know what you're talking about but it's clear that Tobirama has better reactions regardless of Minato's Shunsin being better.

Of course he would if you ignore Minato's feat against 8th Gate Gai with pitiful excuses. *_*
Just like how konohamaro would be faster than Minato as well if I ignored Minato's feats.

You forget Minato had BM which is supposed to enhance him far more in terms of speed. Imagine the difference between Base Naruto and BM Naruto? Yet Minato didn't show anything that puts him on a whole new level especially his reaction with Hirashin against Juubito.

Except there is a different between when they use their jutsus, and when they don't. Naruto for example was getting his
from the Jinshuurikis even though he's way faster than them, but kishi is holding him back from using his speed.

Just like how Hashirama was going to kill himself with a Kunai because he was not using his regenerating abilities, yet that
does not make his ability weaker than Sakura/Tsunade for example...and so on and so forth.

When Minato uses his speed however,

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Kakashi was barely able to move his hand an inch. Even obito, Naruto, and Sasuke did only notice him when he was already there... Lol

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Lord Itachi jumps in and solos both low diff lol

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[Touken]

Tobirama wins S1, not sure about S2 considering there's almost no difference between that version of Obito and MS Obito from what we saw in the manga.

 

[Lariatoo]

Gotta go with Obito...
His reaction feats were toe on toe with Minato's, and Minato's speed> Tobirama's speed.

 

[Haizaki]

As I said, it does not matter. If Tobirama teleported first, or at the same time as Minato, both leads to the same conclusion.

As I said, be quiet about this point. I proved you wrong already..You're just ashamed that you fabricated the manga. You said Tobirama teleported first and I corrected that. As simple as that..Nothing else I said regarding their Shunshin speed.

I don't know what all of these have to do with each other, you're just pulling out excuses to downplay his feats, either way.
1- Gaara knows that his sand is slower, and he told that to Minato, but Minato said "It's ok I AM here" because he was the one who provide the support, and that's why he was giving them his Kunais.

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Exactly so stop arguing it. Gaaara said his sand was slower so stop pulling excuses. When you can explain to me how Gaara's sand got to that position before Gai did, then we'll talk. Now you can't but say Minato reacted because you're hardcore fan..Why did Gaara's sand get to this position before Gai did

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? When you have a legit answer then I'll admit Minato can react to Gai's full speed.

2- Irrelevant. One he was not using his FTG, and two, obviously that would happen since he was attacking obito who used his Kamui, and his chains behind him. Lol Even though I don't know what does that have to do with anything.

Do you know the definition of reaction? You definitely don't so look it up. His reaction with FTG was slow and that's why he teleported after he was caught

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3- One his modes do not effect his FTG. 2, he lost 1 arm. Tobirama lost half of his body, and against weaker and slower
Obito. It does not make sense to compare the two. Would you accept that Minato would fodderstomps JJ obito, because he did to Kamui, and Rinnegan obito?

His modes affect his reactions. If teleportation couldn't be affected, why do you keep saying he's faster than Tobirama with FTG?

Doesn't matter. The thing was Tobirama reacted to such speed and I wonder why his speed should be different when all that happened there was him trying to gain consciousness? If I'm wrong on this point then still Tobirama's clone could surprise JJ Obito, teleport him away (leaving him surprised)

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. Your point regarding Kamui and the others don't add up here Lol.

Not to mention the fact that Tobirama lost half of his body due to the shape of the Gudodama while Minato lost just his arm because it was just he was hit by the staff. Point being Tobirama tapped him 5 times during that scenario.

The explosion tags are inside of Tobirama's body as we saw him pulling them out. When OBito fodderized him, those got stuck to obito, it has nothing to do with Tobirama's reflexes. U_U

That's why Minato said

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. Don't know if you hate Tobirama so stop with this ridiculous attempt. If it had nothing to do with reflexes, how was Juubito tagged?

Good. The same like Tobirama, he touched Obito once with the FTG, the tags stuck to him because he destroyed Tobirama's edo body, just like what happened in those links. They have nothing to do with reaction and reflexes.
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the explosion tags comes from his body, and he also stabbed himself to do pull them out.

Nothing to see here..You jump to one thing after the other. Last it was Fuu hitting Obito, you were wrong. Now it's Tobirama who's reflexes were not apparently shown there?

So why did he not cover Madara's body with explosion tags as well? Wouldn't that make it easier for him?
Or he just can't because Madara did not crush his body the same why obito did? Lol

Irrelevant and a poor excuse. All we saw was his reactions and he did react making it a good feat. Why he didn't use a particular technique doesn't matter.

Of course he would if you ignore Minato's feat against 8th Gate Gai with pitiful excuses. *_*
Just like how konohamaro would be faster than Minato as well if I ignored Minato's feats.

What a Joke? Pitiful excuses and yet your pitiful response doesn't explain why Gaara sand was moving faster than 8G Gai. Tell me and I'll agree otherwise this is a joke when his reaction with Hirashin was shown against Juubito. He couldn't teleport before he was slashed and now he's teleporting to and from 8G Gai's fastest punch.

Except there is a different between when they use their jutsus, and when they don't. Naruto for example was getting his
from the Jinshuurikis even though he's way faster than them, but kishi is holding him back from using his speed.

Don't even know if this is supposed to be a Joke. You're trying to talk about inconsistency but yet ignore the 8G Gai's situation Lol.

Just stop ok..We saw Minato's reaction with Hirashin and also his striking speed against MS Obito, JJ Madara and JJ Obito. All were inferior to 7G Gai.

Just like how Hashirama was going to kill himself with a Kunai because he was not using his regenerating abilities, yet that
does not make his ability weaker than Sakura/Tsunade for example...and so on and so forth.

What is this guy saying? Like seriously come up with legit points. He was going to kill himself and hence could decide if he wanted to or not regenerate.

When Minato uses his speed however,

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Kakashi was barely able to move his hand an inch. Even obito, Naruto, and Sasuke did only notice him when he was already there... Lol

Doesn't even matter since we're talking Tobirama and this feat against Kakashi becomes useless before what he's done.

 

[KidGamer65]

Tobirama wins in both scenarios, with the same difficulty (Low-mid) since Rinnegan Obito is no different from MS Obito if he doesn't have the Mazo or the Bijuu.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Tobirama wins both scenarios fairly easily. No real difference in the two characters.

 

[Conspirator.]

Tobirama wins both scenarios.