Tobirama vs Obito

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Tobirama vs Obito

Location
Destroyed Konoha

Intel
Full Intel on both Sides

Restrictions

Edo Tensei
Kyuubi


Mindset
Bloodlusted

Scenario 1

MS Obito vs Alive Tobirama

Scenario 2
Rinnegan Obito(No Bijuu and No Gedo Mazo) vs Edo Tobirama
 

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Obito wins both scenarios.

The battle in the first scenario will come to FTG Vs Kamui eventually (not as if Tobirama has shown much else)
However, the differences here between what happened with Minato, and this one

1- Tobirama does not have a jutsu like the Rassengan that does not require handseal, and he does not have a jutsu as powerful either.
2- His FTG and shunshin are inferior to Minato's, which will make him lose, since Minato got obito by that second.




”!!?” (Volume 53, Chapter 503)
Displaying astonishing skillfulness with “Hiraishin no jutsu”!!
Overwhelming the Masked Man that is the mastermind behind the Kyuubi Incident!!

A handsome man shining with natural-borne talent, like a blinding glint (purple lightning), time and space itself seem to stand still—.
Minato handles to perfection the “Hiraishin no jutsu” space-time ninjutsu that was invented by Nidaime Hokage Senju Tobirama, and learnt from Master Jiraiya the pride of being a ninja.
His achievements began 27 years ago with the “Jinchuuriki kidnapping prevention” in Kirigakure; during the 3rd Great Ninja War, he led inferior Konoha camps to victory for times too numerous to mention.
Praised among all ninja as the greatest in god-like speed, the honour of that valour fascinates even the elites of other villages.


Hiraishin Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu

On an occasion where two Hiraishin users cooperate, it's a miraculous thing

When two people who can use Hiraishin are gathered together it's an honor, and they are instantly able to use dreamlike coordination. Tobirama the inventor of space-time ninjutsu and Yondaime Hokage the man who inherited it and elevated it, make a fearsome combination. Receiving an ally's attack, two hirashin users activate the jutsu simultaneously, the damage is substituted with the target, the jutsu is a godsend to have when in major danger. The cordination between companions gives birth to a superb attack, reciprocal trust and feelings, make this high class coordination feasible. If the enemy tries to run away they will not be able to rise up(? not sure about this).

The cooperative attack on Madara begins. Naruto and Sasuke thrust into the front of Yondaime

Yondaime receives the attack, while Tobirama simultaneously comes from behind Madara activating Hiraishin.


States those who came after him improved on his Jutsu. Minato improved Hiraishin to become know as the Yellow-Flash. Minato polished, refined, evolved the technique to surpass the original.


I can't post the sources here unfortunately.

the second scenario is only going to be worst for Tobirama. Lol
 
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Tobirama wins both scenerios.

His reactions are greater than Minato. The only reason his FTG is "inferior" is because he lacks prepped kunai, but Tobirama can easily apply the FTG formula to his weapons, and shadow clones would make this easy too. Once Obito gets marked it's over, it doesn't take a Rasengan to slice Obito's throat.
 

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1. Obito low - mid diff

2. Obito stomps .
 

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Tobirama wins scenario 1 and loses scenario 2
 

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Obito wins

I feel that in your conditions, rinnegan Obito is just a hindrance since he doesn't have the paths or Gedo mazou.

Since you don't believe he can use the six path Justus, what's the point of the rinnegan?

He'll get rid of it with Izanagi then
 

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Obito wins

I feel that in your conditions, rinnegan Obito is just a hindrance since he doesn't have the paths or Gedo mazou.

Since you don't believe he can use the six path Justus, what's the point of the rinnegan?

He'll get rid of it with Izanagi then

He can't use all of them the only ones he can use are Human Path, Preta Path and the Black Rods so that makes him stronger than MS Obito.
 

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He can't use all of them the only ones he can use are Human Path, Preta Path and the Black Rods so that makes him stronger than MS Obito.

Black rods isn't a rinnegan technique, that's some other thing that correlates with TSB....Maybe.

Where did you get this information on the bold part?
 
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Still waiting for an Obito argument.

Tobirama has:
Full intel + FTG + sensing + Better reactions than Minato.

Manga fact FTG is faster than Kamui.

Obito isn't touching him.
 

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Still waiting for an Obito argument.

Tobirama has:
Full intel + FTG + sensing + Better reactions than Minato.

Manga fact FTG is faster than Kamui.

Obito isn't touching him.

Obito has superior S/T jutsu to him. Yes, Minato's FTG overwhelmed Obito's Kamui's, but that MINATO'S FTG. Tobirama's teleportation is not on the same level as Minato. Even their rank in the Databook, Minato's jutsu is on a higher level than Tobirama's. As for Tobirama having better reaction speed is fan-fiction.

Also, Obito did touch Minato, and tried to warp him, so Tobirama is not going to be able to stop that, when his shunshin as well is slower.
 

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Black rods isn't a rinnegan technique, that's some other thing that correlates with TSB....Maybe.

Where did you get this information on the bold part?
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Obito has superior S/T jutsu to him.

Better in the sense it doesnt require marks or handsigns. FTG is still faster. Minato vs Obito was a battle of speed between Kamui and FTG, which FTG won.
Yes, Minato's FTG overwhelmed Obito's Kamui's, but that MINATO'S FTG. Tobirama's teleportation is not on the same level as Minato. Even their rank in the Databook, Minato's jutsu is on a higher level that Tobirama's.

FTG is instant. Are you saying Minato's FTG is faster than Tobiramas FTG? Minato has more prepped kunai is all. And FTG Slash was the one ranked lower on the databook. And those ranking systems just show how hard a technique is to master.

As for Tobirama having better reaction speed is fan-fiction.

No it's not. He tagged Juubito 5 times. ..and Minato couldn't

Also, Obito did touch Minato, and tried to warp him, so Tobirama is not going to be able to stop that, when his shunshin as well is slower.

---Minato had no intel. With full intel, minato wouldn't have been touched

-Minato didn't use his shunshin to escape Lol he FTG'd away. Tobirama would do the same.
 

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[=DemonSenju;17973785]Better in the sense it doesnt require marks or handsigns. FTG is still faster. Minato vs Obito was a battle of speed between Kamui and FTG, which FTG won.
Yeah, but we are talking about Tobirama here, not Minato.
FTG is instant. Are you saying Minato's FTG is faster than Tobiramas FTG? Minato has more prepped kunai is all. And FTG Slash was the one ranked lower on the databook. And those ranking systems just show how hard a technique is to master.
Are you saying you know more than Tobirama about his jutsu?
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I don't from where you came up with it's only having to do with the Kunais. Are you saying that you know better than Kishi? :heh:

Perhaps you can show us where was the Kunais mentioned in those from the Databook?


”!!?” (Volume 53, Chapter 503)
Displaying astonishing skillfulness with “Hiraishin no jutsu”!!
Overwhelming the Masked Man that is the mastermind behind the Kyuubi Incident!!

A handsome man shining with natural-borne talent, like a blinding glint (purple lightning), time and space itself seem to stand still—.
Minato handles to perfection the “Hiraishin no jutsu” space-time ninjutsu that was invented by Nidaime Hokage Senju Tobirama, and learnt from Master Jiraiya the pride of being a ninja.
His achievements began 27 years ago with the “Jinchuuriki kidnapping prevention” in Kirigakure; during the 3rd Great Ninja War, he led inferior Konoha camps to victory for times too numerous to mention.
Praised among all ninja as the greatest in god-like speed, the honour of that valour fascinates even the elites of other villages.


Hiraishin Goshun Mawashi no Jutsu

On an occasion where two Hiraishin users cooperate, it's a miraculous thing

When two people who can use Hiraishin are gathered together it's an honor, and they are instantly able to use dreamlike coordination. Tobirama the inventor of space-time ninjutsu and Yondaime Hokage the man who inherited it and elevated it, make a fearsome combination. Receiving an ally's attack, two hirashin users activate the jutsu simultaneously, the damage is substituted with the target, the jutsu is a godsend to have when in major danger. The cordination between companions gives birth to a superb attack, reciprocal trust and feelings, make this high class coordination feasible. If the enemy tries to run away they will not be able to rise up(? not sure about this).

The cooperative attack on Madara begins. Naruto and Sasuke thrust into the front of Yondaime

Yondaime receives the attack, while Tobirama simultaneously comes from behind Madara activating Hiraishin.


States those who came after him improved on his Jutsu. Minato improved Hiraishin to become know as the Yellow-Flash. Minato polished, refined, evolved the technique to surpass the original.

Can you perhaps prove that Kishi is wrong, and you're right? *_*

No it's not. He tagged Juubito 5 times. ..and Minato couldn't
He lost half of his body, and Minato lost an arm against a superior Obito than the one Tobirama faced.
Also, Minato does not use explosion tags to begin with, and he did not even try to use them. If Tobirama is able
to do so, then why did not he do that against Madara when he was using his teleportation jutsu? :rolleyes:

Don't tell me that you think RT Madara was faster than Obito..
---Minato had no intel. With full intel, minato wouldn't have been touched
a possibility.
-Minato didn't use his shunshin to escape Lol he FTG'd away.
What I meant is Tobirama's speed physically (like when Minato tried to beheads obito), and his teleportations are both inferior to Minato.

Tobirama would do the same.
He would, if he could, but since his is inferior, he can't do the same. You can't give a superior FTG user's feat to an inferior one. It's like saying Madara's Susanoo can destroy mountains, then itachi can do the same because he has Susanoo. :erm:
 
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Yeah, but we are talking about Tobirama here, not Minato.
FTG is the same speed :| Minato has faster footspeed.

Are you saying you know more than Tobirama about his jutsu?
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I don't from where you came up with it's only having to do with the Kunais. Are you saying that you know better than Kishi? :heh:

Perhaps you can show us where was the Kunais mentioned in those from the Databook?

Yondaime Hokage the man who inherited it and elevated it

Minato polished, refined, evolved the technique to surpass the original

No where did i read Minato's FTG was faster than Tobiramas. It said Minato refined and improved it. Which he did; he has multiple kunai tagged and floods the battlefield with kunai and he created the FTG barrier.

But saying Minato's FTG is faster? Show me the scan where it says that. They're both instant.
Can you perhaps prove that Kishi is wrong, and you're right? *_*

Kishi never said Minato's FTG was faster Lol
What I meant is Tobirama's speed physically (like when Minato tried to beheads obito), and his teleportations are both inferior to Minato.

Nope. FTG is instant. Minato's footspeed > Tobiramas

He would, if he could, but since his is inferior, he can't do the same. You can't give a superior FTG user's feat to an inferior one. It's like saying Madara's Susanoo can destroy mountains, then itachi can do the same because he has Susanoo. :erm:

....Itachi doesn't have PS that's a terrible example
 
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Tobirama wins both scenarios mid diff at the very most

--With Full intel, along with the reflexes to react to even Juubitos shunshin. Tobirama reacts to Kamui warps just fine, and evades them with FTG rather easily

--With KB on tobiramas arsenal, he disrupts Obitos kamui based moveset completely, and with his FTG being faster than Obitos kamui, he can mark him the moment obito decides to counterattack, as once that happens, obito is done for

--Second Scenario makes no difference at all, especially when Obito still doesnt have the reflexes to react to FTG, and his moveset is still based on kamui, which tobirama shits on completely

 

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Tobirama wins both Scenarios.
 

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Juubi size Katon ends Tobirama from the start in scene 1... Obito loses scene 2 i mean with those restrictions he's basically MS obito and with him being edo Juubi size Katon won't end him...
 

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Scenario 1 - Goes to obito without question due to izanagi, which he uses to warp away tobirama + any clones within the 10 minute duration.

Scenario 2 - I don't see how obito could win without a summon, you pretty much nerfed him of the only useful rinnegan jutsu he had. Tobirama can mark his clones if he has to & when obito tries a warp he'll jump to it & either disrupt the warp or hit him. It's a stalemate at best.
 

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Scenario 1 - Goes to obito without question due to izanagi, which he uses to warp away tobirama + any clones within the 10 minute duration.

What 10 minute duration?
 
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