Tobirama vs Killer Bee
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Killer B wins mid difficulty.
-Even with Edo, Tobirama lacks the offensive power to actually put Killer B down in his Full Bijuu Mode as Gojo doesn't come close to the power of Bijuu Dama, and it took one of those to force B out of Hachibi Mode.
-He won't be able to evade the large AoE of Bijuu Dama even with Hiraishin as all his tags will be in the immediate area.
-Suiton of any form is irrelevant.
-Even with Edo, Tobirama lacks the offensive power to actually put Killer B down in his Full Bijuu Mode as Gojo doesn't come close to the power of Bijuu Dama, and it took one of those to force B out of Hachibi Mode.
-He won't be able to evade the large AoE of Bijuu Dama even with Hiraishin as all his tags will be in the immediate area.
-Suiton of any form is irrelevant.
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IMO He actually don't need full bijju mode in this battle.FTG slash ain't going to hurt him in HCM(Hachibi cloak mode) and Tobirama ain't going to pull EDO's while being attacked by Bee.Even if he managed to pull EDO's Bee can use his ink clones to stop them or he can use mini TBB on EDO's and defeat Tobirama while they are being regenerated.
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-Tobirama is faster than Killer B and has Hiraishin on his side here. There is no reason why he can't call Edo Zombies except for the fact he has no feats. Since the OP didn't provide him with Edo Zombies; he shouldn't get any regardless. But if he did, V2 B wouldn't stand a chance.
-V2 B can't use Bijuu Dama of any kind. Only Bijuu possessing their Jins through the V2 mode can do that. (Kurama)
-V2 B will never land a hit on Tobirama, so he isn't going to beat him while they regenerate.
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why do you assume his tags will be in the immediate area??.. Bee doesn't start in his full bijuu mode, only when he's pushed to his limit as I recall. And you don't think that's enough time for Tobirama to spread tags around??..
Tobirama starts with 0 markings and Bee reacted to FTG attacks so I can''t see a reason why he would face that much trouble against Tobirama.If Bee starts attacking Tobirama everything he can do is to get away from him and it is not like he has Kunais all over the battle field like Minato to aviod every attack of Bee.
I can't see a reason why Bee can't use mini TBB despite of being perfect jin for that many years ,Well it is a good enough proof to say that he can but He can enter any level of Bijju mode without any problem and no need to mention about being able to turn selected parts of his body into Bijju.Hell even
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used it.With that level of skill he should be able to use it IMO(I know that u aren't going to accept it as a proof though).And for FTG Bee already proved to be able to react to it and we have no proof to say that Tobirama'll cover a wide area with markings b4 battle as he has no intel on Bee and Tobirama has 0 shunshin feats to say that Bee can't touch him even without FTG on the other hand Bee managed to keep with KCM Naruto and V1 Raikage without any problems.
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If he is fighting B in the immediate area, why would his tags be elsewhere? Let alone a out of the radius of a Mountain (Which is Bijuu Dama's Range), but it doesn't matter to me. Lets say he spreads tags around that far apart. As Killer B lobs Bijuu Dama at him, the tags in those areas are destroyed and then what? He dies. That's what.
I'd like to see anyone come up with a way for Tobirama to actually kill or put down B.
It doesn't matter if he starts with 0 markings. He can mark a Kunai and toss it. Make a clone and have it mark an area. Both things that B isn't going to stop. I'm not about to argue that B is going to hit Tobirama when he already saw what happened when he came face to face with a Hiraishin user. He never landed a hit on him.
Except Minato didn't need Kunai all over the battlefield to evade B. Only two markings are needed to evade B completely. He rushes toward him, Tobirama teleports to another mark. Simple as that.
No. B didn't react to Hiraishin attacks. He predicted Minato would come for him so he put up his dagger. Not to mention that is completely irrelevant to my point. B won't touch him in V2 mode.
Being a perfect Jin is irrelevant.
Naruto did that because he is only gathering Black and White chakra instead of gathering normal chakra, and then he proceeds to mold it the same way he does with Rasengan. As Killer B can't nor has he shown the capability to use Rasengan, he isn't using Mini Bijuu Dama in the same fashion as Naruto.
-Never said he'd cover a wide area with markings before or during the battle.
-Covering a wide area with markings isn't need to evade B, as explained above. Not even sure where this came from.
-Madara was fast enough to "blitz" SM Naruto. Tobirama is faster as stated by Madara himself. Not to mention B has zero Shunshin feats to let me believe he will tag the guy who can react to Juubito's Shunshin. KCM Naruto? He never kept up with his Shunshin speed so its nothing special. V1 Raikage? Again, nothing special.
That is by implying that Bee couldn't touch him b4 Tobirama pull a kunai marks is toss it.Even if he can toss the kunai Bee'll follow it or throw one of his swords as he can see the direction of Kunai then what'll Tobirama do? Pick the kunai and toss it again?Then Bee can keep follow him and attack him untill Tobirama runs out of chakra.That clone also implying that Tobiama starts a battle by making a clone and make it mark the battle field when he has 0 intel on his opponent.Bee used his tail and saved Raikage even b4 Minato can hurt Raikage where as Raikage failed to counter it despite of being fastest after Minato.
Nothing suggets that Bee knew about Minato's marking on him to predict that Minato'll come after him.Bee reacted to Minato even when he is about attack Ay.It is not irrelevant as we are comparing the feats of Bee against a FTG user like Tobirama.
I don't understand that bold part.Bee isn't trying to use TBB in human form to say that he need to master Rasengan to use TBB.He is using mini Bijju mode and no need to mention he has more experience with TBB than Naruto.I see no reason as to why he can't use it exept he never used it argument.As u already know we can't get anywhere if we keep asking eachother to show scans for feats even if we have no logical reason as to why he can't use it.It is same as saying that Tobirama or any other top sensor can't pull chakra build up feat just because they never used it without giving proper reason. Whatever,If he couldn't use it on his own Bee can let Hachibi to take over then Hachibi uses it for him.
Madara said that by including FTG and Tobirama also has 0 Shinshin feats on other hand we atleast know that V2 increases Bee's speed.
I mean he was following their movements.
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Show me the scan where Madara explicitly says he was talking about FTG. Blind Madara
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Naruto to the point of Naruto barely raising his hands. Tobirama is faster than Madara
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by Madara. My scan is also confirmed because Tobirama was surprised that Minato's teleporting was
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. Shino
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against Obito. Now using common sense, you can deduce Tobirama had the fastest shunshin of his generation.