[VS] Tobirama Vs Jiraiya

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Tobirama wins in both scenarios.

Jiraiya's best bet is to battle from a range which isn't possible given Tobirama's speed, so Tobirama eventually bam-flashes him once he's within Jiraiya's proximity.
Tobirama runs in to blitz and Needle Jizo stops him. Even if he's fast enough to tag part of the hair, Jiraiya already knows the mechanics of FTG via Minato as his student so he shoots the hair off him as an attack to get rid of the mark on him. That may not work every time but it's definitely good for one time to stop his blitz and bring out his boss toads and from that point the winner isn't really clear.
 

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Not in a place I can discuss it in any great detail but if Jiraiya starts in and wastes no time with Sage Mode then he will win very high difficulty. Fukasaku & Shima are basically Sannin level themselves and are NOT to be underestimated.

Gamaken/Bunta are also some of the greatest summons. Their genjutsu song is my usual go-to argument but Tobirama is accustomed to Uchiha visual types of genjutsu. That may not help though.
 

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Tobirama wins all scenarios. Jiraya doesn't have reactions to react to ftg blitz. Give him some advanced sensing ability like SM naruto (at his best) showed and this might go to high diff but tobirama will still win.
 

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Not in a place I can discuss it in any great detail but if Jiraiya starts in and wastes no time with Sage Mode then he will win very high difficulty. Fukasaku & Shima are basically Sannin level themselves and are NOT to be underestimated.

Gamaken/Bunta are also some of the greatest summons. Their genjutsu song is my usual go-to argument but Tobirama is accustomed to Uchiha visual types of genjutsu. That may not help though.
Are you that individual who overrates Manda, and Manda II? I've never come across such an asinine ideal regarding any toad being "basically" Sannin level.
 

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Are you that individual who overrates Manda, and Manda II? I've never come across such an asinine ideal regarding any toad being "basically" Sannin level.
No...just that Fukasaku and Shima have substantial manga & databook feats from genjutsu, damaging frog song and strong elemental jutsu themselves even without Jiraiya, feats that are often overlooked. Just reminding people.

Also Manda? I...think you're getting me mixed up with somebody else, the only advantage Manda II has is it's strategic scale. You're one very intense alt.
 
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No...just that Fukasaku and Shima have substantial manga & databook feats from genjutsu, damaging frog song and strong elemental jutsu themselves even without Jiraiya, feats that are often overlooked. Just reminding people.

Also Manda? I...think you're getting me mixed up with somebody else, the only advantage Manda II has is being strategic scale. You're one very intense alt.
If you've done any analysis, or review revolving around the toads, I'd like to see what you've accumulated, as I fail to see them being anywhere near Sannin level, which implies mid-high Kage.

I saw someone talk about Manda soloing an Akatsuki a couple days ago, I'd simply presumed it might've been you.
 

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If you've done any analysis, or review revolving around the toads, I'd like to see what you've accumulated, as I fail to see them being anywhere near Sannin level, which implies mid-high Kage.

I saw someone talk about Manda soloing an Akatsuki a couple days ago, I'd simply presumed it might've been you.
Mid-high Kage is also a fair analysis, i'm being general. The databook gave them insane praise, implying on their specific bios they were among the strongest of the verse by the Shippuden mid-point that that one came out in...but we all know how hyperbolic that thing is.

And no, I haven't been on the base that much around Christmas. Summons are summons.
 

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Tobirama runs in to blitz and Needle Jizo stops him. Even if he's fast enough to tag part of the hair, Jiraiya already knows the mechanics of FTG via Minato as his student so he shoots the hair off him as an attack to get rid of the mark on him. That may not work every time but it's definitely good for one time to stop his blitz and bring out his boss toads and from that point the winner isn't really clear.
If Tobirama's within range, he simply warps to Jiraiya via FTG Lvl 2 when he's preoccupied with Needle Jizo and suffers a subsequent bam-flash.

Bring out Boss Toads is irrelevant when Tobirama can simply debilitate Boss Toads via penetrative Suiton.
 

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If Tobirama's within range, he simply warps to Jiraiya via FTG Lvl 2 when he's preoccupied with Needle Jizo and suffers a subsequent bam-flash.

Bring out Boss Toads is irrelevant when Tobirama can simply debilitate Boss Toads via penetrative Suiton.
I don't think you even know what Needle Jizo is. When Tobirama blitzes, Jiraiya puts it up. When Tobirama tags a part of the hair Jiraiya shoots it off of him. If Tobirama then throws a kunai Jiraiya deflects it by... shooting it away with Needle Jizo.

I'd like to see some evidence that shows Tobirama Suiton > Gamabunta or that his Suiton can OHKO them.
 

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I don't think you even know what Needle Jizo is. When Tobirama blitzes, Jiraiya puts it up. When Tobirama tags a part of the hair Jiraiya shoots it off of him. If Tobirama then throws a kunai Jiraiya deflects it by... shooting it away with Needle Jizo.

I'd like to see some evidence that shows Tobirama Suiton > Gamabunta or that his Suiton can OHKO them.
Gamabunta isn't really durable. Tobirama's Suiton cut the God Tree, it'd slice Gamabunta, or any other toad summons like butter.
 

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I don't think you even know what Needle Jizo is. When Tobirama blitzes, Jiraiya puts it up. When Tobirama tags a part of the hair Jiraiya shoots it off of him. If Tobirama then throws a kunai Jiraiya deflects it by... shooting it away with Needle Jizo.

I'd like to see some evidence that shows Tobirama Suiton > Gamabunta or that his Suiton can OHKO them.
The instigation of Needle Jizo entails that Jiraiya has to perform a hand seal and then initiate the jutsu which is by far slower than Tobirama simply warping behind him and lopping his head off. The same applies to Jiraiya intercepting his kunai when his reaction speed alone was significantly faster than KCM Minato's. Strangely, your argument can be used to justify why Minato loses to SM Jiraiya which is contradictory to Jiraiya's admission of inferiority. I'm sure you don't properly grasp the tremendous speed of an FTG user.

Tobirama's Suiton also sliced off the Shinju Roots and we're given the implication that Boss Summons are susceptible to penetrative attacks given that an Anbu's Futon managed to pierce through Cerberus's leg.
 

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The instigation of Needle Jizo entails that Jiraiya has to perform a hand seal and then initiate the jutsu which is by far slower than Tobirama simply warping behind him and lopping his head off. The same applies to Jiraiya intercepting his kunai when his reaction speed alone was significantly faster than KCM Minato's. Strangely, your argument can be used to justify why Minato loses to SM Jiraiya which is contradictory to Jiraiya's admission of inferiority. I'm sure you don't properly grasp the tremendous speed of an FTG user.

Tobirama's Suiton also sliced off the Shinju Roots and we're given the implication that Boss Summons are susceptible to penetrative attacks given that an Anbu's Futon managed to pierce through Cerberus's leg.
You'll need to prove Jiraiya can't form a single hand seal before Tobirama crosses 50m of distance. That's half a football fields length. Don't forget, his seal speed is fast enough to use summoning jutsu to intercept Kisames slash on Naruto from point blank range so the fact that you're entertaining the idea that he'll get "bam flashed OHKO" from 50m without so much as pulling off a single seal is ridiculous, pal.

Read what I said. I never said Jman wins by using that method. I never said he wins period. I don't know who wins because I haven't thoroughly examined both parties full capabilities. I said it's not clear who wins when boss summons come out and that Tobirama isn't simply blitzing Jman off the bat with zero reaction and will OHKO him, which is what YOU said.

Gamabunta isn't really durable. Tobirama's Suiton cut the God Tree, it'd slice Gamabunta, or any other toad summons like butter.
And fodder shinobi also cut parts of the god tree branches with kunai so yeah, no evidence it's cut through boss toads because no fodders are cutting through the boss toads, especially considering they survived CST from Deva Path so Tobirama putting them down is not going to be easy ESPECIALLY if Ma and Pa come out.
 
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