Tobirama vs Itachi

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Touken said:
lmao, and Tobirama would think he'd resort to genjutsu after becoming the Juubi's host? After he's literally become a god? Please.
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This has got to be the most ridiculous argument I've ever read.
 
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Nattana said:
This has got to be the most ridiculous argument I've ever read.
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actually you have all of Tobirama, Minato, Sasuke and Naruto looking forward, they weren't looking at Obito's eyes. The close up to Tobirama's face, he was looking downwards, NOTHING implies he was looking at Obito's eyes. And the panel which he used FTG..lol. If it were Itachi, he would be doing this:

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not going behind him to ''look'' at his eyes..
 
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Touken said:
He would get caught in it eventually? Under what basis? You're making mere assumptions now. He looked once, only to confirm he has a MS, and also, no one uses genjutsu as soon as the person activates MS because they have to build-up chakra in their eye to use any dojutsu technique. Furthermore, Tobirama is an extremely accomplished sensor and can sense the build-up of chakra in Itachi's eye - another counter Tobirama can use.
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@bold I'm just going to ignore that I don't really care since I already use a better example.
And? He still looked into his eyes? Even if there was chakra build up how would Ay know? He still took a risk. With the examples I provided plus with AC's (which I barely noticed now) you can't really use that argument. I'll give you sensing chakra build up.. Tsukuyomi most likely won't catch Tobirama with it but AC said it best.
Is there absolutely anything to say that Izuna is anywhere near Itachi's level when it comes to Genjutsu usage? The two points you mentioned with Minato and Jiraiya are rather moot. Obito never really was someone who used Genjutsu in battle and more so, he was controlling Kurama at that time. Itachi, on the other hand, didn't use Genjutsu on Jiraiya for obvious reasons. His motives were to protect Konoha and killing one of the it's strongest Shinobi isn't 'protecting it'.

Genjutsu itself won't end Tobirama. However, Itachi makes his Genjutsu look exactly like reality so much like Deidara, there isn't anything that implies Tobirama would even know he is in a Genjutsu unless Itachi decides to make it obvious. Before he even realizes or moves to break out of it, Itachi will already be next to him in the real world. Cutting his head off. Even if he expects Sharingan Genjutsu, he'll be completely caught off guard when Itachi uses Utakata or Dusk Crow Genjutsu.

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'AAAAnd... we're done.' He said it before Minato used FTG, it was obvious to Minato he wanted to use Kamui to end him and Obito made that clear.
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Umm nope? o_O So because he said "we're done" that he knew what Obito's intention was to use Kamui? Lel no I hope you realize how stupid that sounds so I don't have to bother wasting my time explaining it to you. If Minato heard what he stated at the bottom left corner of the scan then you'd be right.

Show me where he looks straight into Itachi's eye.
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Go back to previous posts.
Because he was
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but had no experience in breaking genjutsu, evidenced by Itachi saying
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- Because Kakashi
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and believed he could fight Itachi with his own Sharingan, which he couldn't. This obviously shows that he barely had any knowledge on the Uchiha, whereas Tobirama has fought them for the majority of his life. Kakashi didn't use clones because his chakra reserves are incredibly low, unlike Tobirama. Also, Tobirama is as intelligent as Kakashi if not more.
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And where's the proof that anyone of them were as proficient as Itachi? You're going by speculations and assumptions now. You guys always use this argument yet provide no proof as to how the uchiha were and what they used to fight tobirama. Izuna is pretty much featless.. sure he was stated to be close to MS Madara but if we don't know what techs he has under his disposal then its pretty useless to bring that up.
Atleast by what Kakashi was saying and acting like, he knew about Itachi's visual prowess and about Tsukuyomi since he warned everyone to close their eyes. He just didn't know what was required to break it.
You say Kakashi has low reserves yet was able to do this in part 1. [
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] Again it took two fights for Kakashi to use clones. Tobirama imo is below Kakashi in analyzing not by far but still. Unless Tobirama was given knowledge then I'd believe you but he isn't.
Like I said, Tobirama is as intelligent if not more intelligent than Kakashi.
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Nah Kakashi is the better analyst by feats from what I see but I won't get into that.
 
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I'm gonna cut this short now because it's getting rather tedious.
Genjutsu:
- Countered by sensing the chakra build-up. No genjutsu is hitting him.

Minato's case:
- It wasn't just the statement itself which made Minato realize Kamui's a one shot tech, it's the fact he nearly experienced it.
- Realizes what Kamui does:
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- Realizes the one who's a step quicker wins and thus makes Obito convince he's the quicker one:
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Uchiha's genjutsu:
- Good lord, it doesn't even matter if he knows he's really proficient in genjutsu. Madara wasn't and yet his Uchiha name was enough to scare Onoki and the other Kage to not look into his eyes.
- Kakashi didn't know about Tsukuyomi. I don't know how you can't see that from the scan I've given you. Anyway, here's more proof.
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- Bogard's already debunked Kakashi using so many clones. His thread link is in his sig.

Kakashi's intelligence:
- I guess we all have our own opinions.
 
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