Tobirama vs Itachi

[Optimistic]

I'm a follower of his church, yes. That's not the same as being a fan.

answer my question or jump off a cliff.

 

[Murasame]

- Ay was distracted by Tsunade coughing up blood.
- Care to show me where Minato and Jiraiya looked into an Uchiha's eyes?

Onoki, a shinobi who's experienced but not nearly as experienced as Tobirama with regards to fighting Uchiha, was smart enough to not look into Madara's eyes throughout the battle and even the other Kage acted upon his warnings of the Sharingan's genjutsu.

lol, finger genjutsu; easily Kai'd out of and Tobirama can also employ the use of shadow clones.

Yes he was distracted but that doesn't necessarily mean that he had to look at Madara's eyes directly.. he still got caught.
Despite Onoki's warnings Ay still got caught.

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For some reason Kishi held it back in both fights. Itachi could've easily ended jiraiya with tsukuyomi or amaterasu or catch him in a genjutsu but Itachi wasn't a bad guy.

Are you assuming he will because Naruto resisted? I think Itachi used a low level genjutsu on him and strengthened it enough to the point Naruto couldn't break out of it.. He can do the same to Tobirama and if that doesn't work he can chop his hand off like he did to Oro or just slit his throat. Btw Oro has a stat of 5 in genjutsu I believe? Does Tobirama even have stats or feats?

Assuming that's how Tobirama starts his fights... he doesn't know anything about Itachi so why would he? If he had knowledge then I'd find what you say believable. Itachi in character has started his fights out in genjutsu for the most part. I say in this scenario Itachi most likely takes it..

 

[Touken]

Yes he was distracted but that doesn't necessarily mean that he had to look at Madara's eyes directly.. he still got caught.
Despite Onoki's warnings Ay still got caught.

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What's your point? He was distracted by Tsunade, something that can't happen in this battle because it's a 1 vs. 1. Whatever point you make regarding Ay getting caught in genjutsu is irrelevant.

lol, he obviously knew that Obito wasn't going to use genjutsu because Obito stated himself that once he makes physical contact with him, he wins. His goal throughout that entire battle was to touch Minato (lol) and he didn't even attempt to hide that, whereas Minato had a plan and in that plan he had to convince Obito that he was slower than him. Maintaining eye contact was all part of his plan.

For some reason Kishi held it back in both fights. Itachi could've easily ended jiraiya with tsukuyomi or amaterasu or catch him in a genjutsu but Itachi wasn't a bad guy.

Show me.

Are you assuming he will because Naruto resisted? I think Itachi used a low level genjutsu on him and strengthened it enough to the point Naruto couldn't break out of it.. He can do the same to Tobirama and if that doesn't work he can chop his hand off like he did to Oro or just slit his throat. Btw Oro has a stat of 5 in genjutsu I believe? Does Tobirama even have stats or feats?

Naruto was trying to Kai out of it, which he couldn't because he hasn't had any experience in countering genjutsu. Tobirama will use shadow clones since it's the best technique to test an opponent's abilities and as you said so yourself, Itachi always starts the battle with genjutsu. Once he realizes Itachi primarily uses genjutsu, he'll obviously take certain measures to defeat Itachi, such as not looking him in the eye and using more shadow clones because they aren't affected by genjutsu.

Assuming that's how Tobirama starts his fights... he doesn't know anything about Itachi so why would he? If he had knowledge then I'd find what you say believable. Itachi in character has started his fights out in genjutsu for the most part. I say in this scenario Itachi most likely takes it..

Because every logical, smart shinobi tests his opponent first and as I've said before, shadow clones are the best way to do that. Kakashi said so himself.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Itachi wins. This shouldn't even be in question.

 

[Penguin]

Question for Tobirama fans: How can he fight with a boner sticking from his trousers?

I cannot counter.

 

[Shura]

Tobirama already looked into an Uchiha's eyes.

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So much about Tobirama's experience, hurr durr.​

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama already looked into an Uchiha's eyes.

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So much about Tobirama's experience, hurr durr.​

But, he has not died fighting an Uchiha. How very interesting.

Not to mention he fought MS Izuna who trained with Madara, which puts Izuna somewhere slightly under Madara's level. And the countless Uchiha he has studied. Also, Minato looked into Obito's eyes and did not fall under genjutsu. Same with Jiraiya and Itachi.

I doubt a genjutsu will end Tobirama, but that is my opinion.

 

[Shura]

But, he has not died fighting an Uchiha. How very interesting.

Not to mention he fought MS Izuna who trained with Madara, which puts Izuna somewhere slightly under Madara's level. And the countless Uchiha he has studied. Also, Minato looked into Obito's eyes and did not fall under genjutsu. Same with Jiraiya and Itachi.

I doubt a genjutsu will end Tobirama, but that is my opinion.

Is there absolutely anything to say that Izuna is anywhere near Itachi's level when it comes to Genjutsu usage? The two points you mentioned with Minato and Jiraiya are rather moot. Obito never really was someone who used Genjutsu in battle and more so, he was controlling Kurama at that time. Itachi, on the other hand, didn't use Genjutsu on Jiraiya for obvious reasons. His motives were to protect Konoha and killing one of the it's strongest Shinobi isn't 'protecting it'.

Genjutsu itself won't end Tobirama. However, Itachi makes his Genjutsu look exactly like reality so much like Deidara, there isn't anything that implies Tobirama would even know he is in a Genjutsu unless Itachi decides to make it obvious. Before he even realizes or moves to break out of it, Itachi will already be next to him in the real world. Cutting his head off. Even if he expects Sharingan Genjutsu, he'll be completely caught off guard when Itachi uses Utakata or Dusk Crow Genjutsu.​

 

[Tobby17]

Tobirama already looked into an Uchiha's eyes.

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So much about Tobirama's experience, hurr durr.​

in none of these panels is he looking at Obito though, analyzing something does not equal looking into someone's eyes, plus because there's a close up on Tobirama's face does not mean he's staring at Obito's eyes, how did you come to this conclusion?

 

[Shura]

in none of these panels is he looking at Obito though, analyzing something does not equal looking into someone's eyes, plus because there's a close up on Tobirama's face does not mean he's staring at Obito's eyes, how did you come to this conclusion?

He's looking directly at his face....​

 

[Bogard]

Genjutsu is not doing shit here. Itachi genjutsu are really easy to notice since he almost all the time turns himself into crow something someone like Bee quickly realised despite not being the brightest ninja in NV. Someone like Tobirama would notice the contrzrities easily especially when you know the guy is a sensor. The instant he notice he breaks it with kai release. Itachi himxelf admitted the sole reason Naruto didnt manage to break his genjutsu was becausehe didnt grow enough anc lacked skills. Any experienced ninjs then should. Hell we have even seen even tsukuyomi being broken by Danzo during his fight against Sasuke.

If Tobirama really feels the need he can even fight eyes close. We have even seen people like Madara fighting eyes close in this many a despite not being that great in sensing. Same goes for Minato who noticed Obitos presence behind him despite using a surprised sneak attack on him. It simply means that for a ninja fighting eyes close is not difficult at all, more like basic and quite normal and since Tobirama has superior speed(hiraishin) and chakra he would win sooner or later

 

[Murasame]

What's your point? He was distracted by Tsunade, something that can't happen in this battle because it's a 1 vs. 1. Whatever point you make regarding Ay getting caught in genjutsu is irrelevant.

And? He would still get caught in it eventually if he had been alone but Madara doesn't seem like the genjutsu type of figter. If that example doesn't work for you then refer Ay's fight with Sasuke. He looked at Sasuke's eye when he activated his MS.

lol, he obviously knew that Obito wasn't going to use genjutsu because Obito stated himself that once he makes physical contact with him, he wins. His goal throughout that entire battle was to touch Minato (lol) and he didn't even attempt to hide that, whereas Minato had a plan and in that plan he had to convince Obito that he was slower than him. Maintaining eye contact was all part of his plan

Uhh no reread the chapter bro.. what you stated was false. I won't bother explaining it you so go reread chapter 502. Obito only stated what he did after Minato teleported to escape from Kamui that is all I'll say.

Show me.

Show you what lmao? It's obvious Itachi wasn't evil and wasn't going to fight jiraiya in a death match. Seriously if you can't see this for yourself its not my problem.

Naruto was trying to Kai out of it, which he couldn't because he hasn't had any experience in countering genjutsu. Tobirama will use shadow clones since it's the best technique to test an opponent's abilities and as you said so yourself, Itachi always starts the battle with genjutsu. Once he realizes Itachi primarily uses genjutsu, he'll obviously take certain measures to defeat Itachi, such as not looking him in the eye and using more shadow clones because they aren't affected by genjutsu.

No experience? If had no experience he wouldn't have even attempted to break out of it and if he did it wouldn't be successful enough for Itachi to strengthen the genjutsu. You clearly see Itachi state that he had improved which means during those years Jiraiya was training to defend against genjutsu.
Yeah but does he have knowledge on Itachi being a genjutsu specialist? No so why would he start out with clones? Like I said if intel is given on Tobirama's part then sure I'd take your statement. Kakashi didn't use clones to counter Itachi's genjutsu despite knowing about "Itachi's visual prowess. It took him a second fight to go to those measures and we all knew that Kakashi is one of the best analysts in the manga.

Because every logical, smart shinobi tests his opponent first and as I've said before, shadow clones are the best way to do that. Kakashi said so himself.

So Tobirama is Kakashi now? Like I said go back to my previous point.

 

[sharingansennin]

I got Itachi personally he's far to deceptive has the fastest hand signs in narutoverse, and his MS is great

 

[Bogard]

I got Itachi personally he's far to deceptive has the fastest hand signs in narutoverse, and his MS is great

His hand signs are so fast he could not even perform 2handsigns before hebi Sasuke summoned shurikens, throwed them in his direction and got strucked by them in the end. Difference in level of opponents matters. His hand signs may be fast for jounin level ninjas but would seem slow against late level opponents. That being said he is far behind people like Minato, Tobirama and let alone Jubito in the department

 

[Tobby17]

People act like Tobirama can't use Kage bushin feints, then why the heck did he create the justu in the first place???

plus he used it pretty well in chapter 641

 

[Murasame]

People act like Tobirama can't use Kage bushin feints, then why the heck did he create the justu in the first place???

plus he used it pretty well in chapter 641

If you're talking about me reread my posts.

 

[Gold Lightning]

People act like Tobirama can't use Kage bushin feints, then why the heck did he create the justu in the first place???

plus he used it pretty well in chapter 641

Itachi uses it better. You don't even see when he makes clones.

 

[Touken]

And? He would still get caught in it eventually if he had been alone but Madara doesn't seem like the genjutsu type of figter. If that example doesn't work for you then refer Ay's fight with Sasuke. He looked at Sasuke's eye when he activated his MS.

He would get caught in it eventually? Under what basis? You're making mere assumptions now. He looked once, only to confirm he has a MS, and also, no one uses genjutsu as soon as the person activates MS because they have to build-up chakra in their eye to use any dojutsu technique. Furthermore, Tobirama is an extremely accomplished sensor and can sense the build-up of chakra in Itachi's eye - another counter Tobirama can use.

Uhh no reread the chapter bro.. what you stated was false. I won't bother explaining it you so go reread chapter 502. Obito only stated what he did after Minato teleported to escape from Kamui that is all I'll say

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'AAAAnd... we're done.' He said it before Minato used FTG, it was obvious to Minato he wanted to use Kamui to end him and Obito made that clear.

Show you what lmao? It's obvious Itachi wasn't evil and wasn't going to fight jiraiya in a death match. Seriously if you can't see this for yourself its not my problem.

Show me where he looks straight into Itachi's eye.

No experience? If had no experience he wouldn't have even attempted to break out of it and if he did it wouldn't be successful enough for Itachi to strengthen the genjutsu. You clearly see Itachi state that he had improved which means during those years Jiraiya was training to defend against genjutsu.
Yeah but does he have knowledge on Itachi being a genjutsu specialist? No so why would he start out with clones? Like I said if intel is given on Tobirama's part then sure I'd take your statement. Kakashi didn't use clones to counter Itachi's genjutsu despite knowing about "Itachi's visual prowess. It took him a second fight to go to those measures and we all knew that Kakashi is one of the best analysts in the manga.

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but had no experience in breaking genjutsu, evidenced by Itachi saying

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and believed he could fight Itachi with his own Sharingan, which he couldn't. This obviously shows that he barely had any knowledge on the Uchiha, whereas Tobirama has fought them for the majority of his life. Kakashi didn't use clones because his chakra reserves are incredibly low, unlike Tobirama. Also, Tobirama is as intelligent as Kakashi if not more.

So Tobirama is Kakashi now? Like I said go back to my previous point.

Like I said, Tobirama is as intelligent if not more intelligent than Kakashi.

 

[Touken]

Tobirama already looked into an Uchiha's eyes.

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So much about Tobirama's experience, hurr durr.​

lmao, and Tobirama would think he'd resort to genjutsu after becoming the Juubi's host? After he's literally become a god? Please.

 

[Shura]

lmao, and Tobirama would think he'd resort to genjutsu after becoming the Juubi's host? After he's literally become a god? Please.

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