[VS] Tobirama vs. Hiruzen

[MickNerks]

Sensory ability does not give you the ability to evade FTG. Madara has sensory jutsu in addition to Sage mode perception and sensing + Hashirama dna + rinnegan. Hiruzen has none of those. Nor does he have the physical prowess to evade such an attack.

I wasn't suggesting the sensory could allow him to evade, I was stating that his sensory would allow him to know tobirama was using FTG. He has the ability to guard or block the attack.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I wasn't suggesting the sensory could allow him to evade, I was stating that his sensory would allow him to know tobirama was using FTG. He has the ability to guard or block the attack.

ftg is instant and a space time ninjutsu. Hiruzen cannot sense him. Only thing he can sense is where tobirama will appear from, and that still isnt enough for hiruzen to dodge. And I still wanna see those hiruzen sensing feats.

 

[RicardoA]

By tagging a kunai or sword with the ftg formula, the user performs a kind of shunshin like teleport at blistering speed, it's almost impossible to react to.

The best way I can describe it is it being a short range ftg dash/teleport forward. Tobirama doesnt need to tag hiruzen to use the move.

You're right.
For some reason i always forget that kunai Tobirama used against Madara Lol

In that case Tobirama wins, high-diff.

 

[MickNerks]

ftg is instant and a space time ninjutsu. Hiruzen cannot sense him. Only thing he can sense is where tobirama will appear from, and that still isnt enough for hiruzen to dodge. And I still wanna see those hiruzen sensing feats.

When in complete darkness and without his vision Hiruzen was able to sense the presence of either tobirama or hashirama and proceeded to block the attack: In the bottom half of the scan you can see the mark of him sensing a oncoming danger.

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The same exact thing happend from to madara and he reacted to block:

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Theres more.. Let me get to my laptop..

 

[VongolaX]

Besides 5 streaming elements, Enma, clone, RDS, and shurikens...

What other Justus does Hiruzen has?

Because Tobirama would destroy him

 

[Gold Lightning]

^^^
Theres a big difference between sensing and detecting an enemies presence. If he was a sensor, kishi would've made that clear. I don't see anything in those scans that show that he's a sensor.

Even kakashi is able to detect enemies without actually sensing them, its just something a good ninja is able to do.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Besides 5 streaming elements, Enma, clone, RDS, and shurikens...

What other Justus does Hiruzen has?

Because Tobirama would destroy him

You say that like it's nothing U_U

Thats like saying what else can tobirama do apart from:
FTG, water variants, clone and sensing?

At least hiruzen has a larger arsenal that tobirama

 

[RicardoA]

Besides 5 streaming elements, Enma, clone, RDS, and shurikens...

What other Justus does Hiruzen has?

Because Tobirama would destroy him

*Have. "What other jutsus does Hiruzen have".

He also has the Telescope Jutsu (crystal ball).

 

[MickNerks]

^^^
Theres a big difference between sensing and detecting an enemies presence. If he was a sensor, kishi would've made that clear. I don't see anything in those scans that show that he's a sensor.

Even kakashi is able to detect enemies without actually sensing them, its just something a good ninja is able to do.

Are you saying that madara only detected tobirama, and didn't sense him. Detecting someone's presence is sensing someone so I'm confuse how you are trying to differentiate the two.

 

[VongolaX]

You say that like it's nothing U_U

Thats like saying what else can tobirama do apart from:
FTG, water variants, clone and sensing?

At least hiruzen has a larger arsenal that tobirama

@Bold: Edo tensei as well

Reason for it is because, varies of elements are pointless to a kages level.

Tobirama has shown mastery of Bukijustu, swords and Kunai knives that he used to take out MS Izuna and keep up with Rinnegan Madara.

Tobirama invented shadow clones, so he knows all the perks to the Justu...

Especial the combine use of FTG

RDS requires prep and pointless in the face of exploding Regenerating Edo tensei's

Also to top it of with speed, he can't keep up or land a hit on Tobirama.

It's the few Justus that Tobirama has that are quality, and I was expecting Hiruzen to have the necessary quantity to compensate

For Tobirama's quality Justus

So I ask again, what else does he have?

 

[VongolaX]

*Have. "What other jutsus does Hiruzen have".

He also has the Telescope Jutsu (crystal ball).

*auto correct*

I'm not on a computer you know :|

 

[RicardoA]

*auto correct*

I'm not on a computer you know :|

Its okay, there's nothing to be ashamed of. Just a minor detail that's all U_U

 

[VongolaX]

Its okay, there's nothing to be ashamed of. Just a minor detail that's all U_U

Why would I be ashamed of the error by some hand size machine?

The phone's auto correction was off, not me. 0_o

 

[Braiyan]

Hiruzen's Elemental Streams mean absolutely nothing if he can't hit Tobirama with them. He evades them all with speed or FTG, makes a few clones to mark the battlefield, then throws a kunai near Hiruzen for the clone to blitz him with FTG Slash. If Hiruzen somehow reacts to it, he gets tagged with a explosive tag (like Tobirama did against Juubito), tagged with a FTG mark and blitzed again by another clone, or Tobirama uses the distractions provided by the clones to bisect him with Suidanha.

 

[RicardoA]

Why would I be ashamed of the error by some hand size machine?

The phone's auto correction was off, not me. 0_o

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I understand = D

 

[makosheva7]

Based on these arguments, I think more times than not Tobirama would win. It's just that he has the more "conclusive" skills in this fight.

 

[VongolaX]

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I understand = D

Wow, the f*ck?

That's creepy Lol

I forgive you....

 

[Sandaime Sarutobi]

It would be a great fight, but the main reason why Hiruzen would lose is because of his Stamina, If Hiruzen was younger it would be a closer battle.

 

[makosheva7]

It would be a great fight, but the main reason why Hiruzen would lose is because of his Stamina, If Hiruzen was younger it would be a closer battle.

he is young in this thread..

 

[ARGUS]

Tobirama comfortably wins this,