Tobirama vs Edo Madara

[Brother Numpsay]

Location: Juubi vs SA

-The FTG markings that Minato set up in that arc, which Tobirama is linked to.

-Tobirama can use his anime feats.

-Tobirama has his sword, and a prep ninja pouch that carries basic ninja tools, via Kunai, Shirukens, etc. (All pre tagged)

-Tobirama can summon 2 Edos Tensei (as skilled as irrelevant characters in SA), which carries ninja pouch and same equipment, which are prepped tagged.

BSM Naruto blessed Tobirama with a Kurama gown [

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[KidGamer65]

If only anything you mentioned was good enough to let him get past Susanoo. The absolute best he could do is run away the whole match, but he'll tire out, Madara won't. So many separate boosts, but at the end of the day he just has a lot of markings and Gojo, which is too weak to even scuff PS let alone destroy it. The Kurama cloak is useless since none of Tobirama's moves will become strong enough to damage Susanoo even w/ a tremendous boost like that.

Madara still shits on him.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If only anything you mentioned was good enough to let him get past Susanoo. The absolute best he could do is run away the whole match, but he'll tire out, Madara won't. So many separate boosts, but at the end of the day he just has a lot of markings and Gojo, which is too weak to even scuff PS let alone destroy it. The Kurama cloak is useless since none of Tobirama's moves will become strong enough to damage Susanoo even w/ a tremendous boost like that.

Madara still shits on him.

Warp away?

BFR?

 

[Icelerate]

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If Tobirama can potentially beat EMS Madara with Kyuubi, edo Madara would logically get stomped.

 

[KidGamer65]

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If Tobirama can potentially beat EMS Madara with Kyuubi, edo Madara would logically get stomped.

Lol shots fired...again.

Warp away?

BFR?

Needs contact for both. He gets anywhere near Susanoo and he gets killed.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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If Tobirama can potentially beat EMS Madara with Kyuubi, edo Madara would logically get stomped.

That thread purpose is only if you can reason Tobirama Suiton capability along the potential to strip lower Susanoo with concussive force. And only if you believe Gojo damage or Gojox2 = amount of damage of partial SS punches done to PS.

As for these conditions, no need to argue if it would work out or not since 1) prep 2) BFR

Needs contact for both. He gets anywhere near Susanoo and he gets killed.

Which BAse Tobirama (along with clones) already being faster would do so no

 

[DMT]

Tobirama shits

 

[KidGamer65]

That thread purpose is only if you can reason Tobirama Suiton capability along the potential to strip lower Susanoo with concussive force. And only if you believe Gojo damage or Gojox2 = amount of damage of partial SS punches done to PS.

As for these conditions, no need to argue if it would work out or not since 1) prep 2) BFR



Which BAse Tobirama (along with clones) already being faster would do so no

Faster than Susanoo's movement speed? Yes. Faster than it's sword swings? No. He swings, and then every clone coming at him is obliterated, along with the original. That simple.

@bold: Thank God no one in their right mind believes that.

 

[Beans2]

Edo Madara low diffs him and DSM Kabuto at the same time. Please stop making threads...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Faster than Susanoo's movement speed? Yes. Faster than it's sword swings? No. He swings, and then every clone coming at him is obliterated, along with the original. That simple.

Obv faster the Susanoo movement speed so why bring that up, Madara's speed is faster then his Susanoo.
Definitely faster then sword swing. If Hashirama can react to it and physical create ninjutsu to block it, then someone with faster reaction and speed will do it. Yet alone a BSM boost.

@bold: Thank God no one in their right mind believes that.

People are not right minded that a single explosion of a size of a single SS fist wont do an amount of damage, Lol ok.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obv faster the Susanoo movement speed so why bring that up,

That's why I said "Yes". Lmao. Read buddy. Read.

Madara's speed is faster then his Susanoo.

It's movement, sure.

Definitely faster then sword swing.

Nope, and the logic you are using to come to that conclusion makes zero sense.

If Hashirama can react to it and physical create ninjutsu to block it, then someone with faster reaction and speed will do it. Yet alone a BSM boost.

1. This

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swing.

2. Tobirama being able to react doesn't prove that he's faster than it. Hashirama being able to react and spawn Mokuton isn't proof that he's faster than it either. We are talking about movement speed, not reaction speed. Then there's the fact that you'd have to show Naruto's V1 cloak giving the SA members some tremendous speed boost.

EMS precog+PS leveled construct=A Swing that Juubito couldn't dodge, yet Madara has the superior Susanoo and the superior reaction speed and somehow the infinitely slower Tobirama will be dancing around his attacks? On foot? Lol no.

People are not right minded that a single explosion of a size of a single SS fist wont do an amount of damage, Lol ok.

Anyone with common sense knows that explosion AoE=/=explosion's power. When Gojo is anywhere near the level of a single Bijuu Dama let alone the barrage Madara fired then we can talk about a bunch of explosive tags damaging, destroying or removing PS. Definitely one of the dumbest claims of 2014. I shake my head every time I remember it.

 

[Lariatoo]

Madara still stomps.

 

[Chazzi]

Madara rapes him.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That's why I said "Yes". Lmao. Read buddy. Read.



It's movement, sure.

I know what you said. I told you no need to bring this up, as if Susanoo has any bearing of speed feat in general.

1. This

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swing.

Ok? Not like PS can swing like this ground level. He has to swing the way he did against to Gokages, if he wants to land them.

2. Tobirama being able to react doesn't prove that he's faster than it. Hashirama being able to react and spawn Mokuton isn't proof that he's faster than it either. We are talking about movement speed, not reaction speed.

Too bad I didn't use Hashirama to prove he is faster then it. I said because Tobirama is faster then both he can other then them. Hashirama parry the attack, and escaped before the ground no longer supported him to. Tobirama is faster so thats not necessary.

Its not like Madara can fully transform to final Susanoo instantly either. He normally goes through 2 stages first. Definitely not faster then Tobirama, which will already have reached him.

Then there's the fact that you'd have to show Naruto's V1 cloak giving the SA members some tremendous speed boost.

Never made that claim yet alone am I using this power boost. Read the conditions, I'm using this[

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EMS precog+PS leveled construct=A Swing that Juubito couldn't dodge, yet Madara has the superior Susanoo and the superior reaction speed and somehow the infinitely slower Tobirama will be dancing around his attacks? On foot? Lol no.

Using Sasuke as evidence isn't helping you since Sasuke progress his eyes to match the speed, so it doesn't automatically put Madara in that level to match a speed attack he never dealt with.

Anyone with common sense knows that explosion AoE=/=explosion's power. When Gojo is anywhere near the level of a single Bijuu Dama let alone the barrage Madara fired then we can talk about a bunch of explosive tags damaging, destroying or removing PS. Definitely one of the dumbest claims of 2014. I shake my head every time I remember it.

Never argued anything of its area effect being the sole reason. I took the claims very basic. It really isn't hard.

Is SS punch anywhere near a level of a single BD? If you think so, then we got a new memorial claim for 2015

 

[Xlad]

Yeah, Madara pretty much takes him down.

 

[Mugen Onsa]

Madara low diff at the very most

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok? Not like PS can swing like this ground level. He has to swing the way he did against to Gokages, if he wants to land them.

If his goal is to wreck the surrounding along with any clones coming at him, then yes, he can swing like that.

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Not to mention if his attacks couldn't affect the ground, the landscape wouldn't have been torn apart.

Too bad I didn't use Hashirama to prove he is faster then it. I said because Tobirama is faster then both he can other then them. Hashirama parry the attack, and escaped before the ground no longer supported him to. Tobirama is faster so thats not necessary.

I suggest we learn how to formulate a concise premise. Tobirama being faster than Hashirama isn't proof that Tobirama can outright evade while Hashirama has to block. You have to prove that he's so much faster than Hashirama that he can outright evade it, and that's something you haven't done. SM Naruto blocked Madara. v1 Ay is faster. I guess V1 Ay evades Madara's blitz w/ no diff. Lol.

Its not like Madara can fully transform to final Susanoo instantly either.

It's not like this matters anyway.

Never made that claim yet alone am I using this power boost. Read the conditions, I'm using this[

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Which is an upgraded version of the V1 cloak. You are still in the same boat.

Using Sasuke as evidence isn't helping you since Sasuke progress his eyes to match the speed, so it doesn't automatically put Madara in that level to match a speed attack he never dealt with.

He had to progress to match someone of Juubito's level. Tobirama is not on that level. So whether or not he had to progress to reach a level where he could track Juubito is completely irrelevant.

Never argued anything of its area effect being the sole reason. I took the claims very basic. It really isn't hard

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It wasn't basic, it was garbage. Lmao. Concussive force being some magic that causes Susanoo to be removed was pretty much your whole argument.

Is SS punch anywhere near a level of a single BD? If you think so, then we got a new memorial claim for 2015

A single punch? Nope.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Madara clearly wins this...Tobirama can't get past Susanoo nor he can tag it for the warp without getting killed.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Would Suidanha be capable of cutting in to susanoo with Kurama boosting it's power?

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I don't recall how susanoo does vs cutting, not sure if this would do anything or not, but given the Kurama boost, I figured I'd bring it up.

 

[KidGamer65]

And this doesn't even take into account his Rinnegan and Mokuton. Tobirama's only threat, which isn't even a threat in itself would be Gojo, and PS isn't even needed to tank that.