Tobirama vs Bee

[Bogard]

Oh that colossal Senjutsu infused Kyuubi chakra made Rasengan? Of course it almost broke through. Lol

I thought we were talking about SM Naruto's rasengan. "<->

Well when KN11 used his rasengans, they broke through it as well

 

[Apêx1]

Tobirama wins.
-GKF causes massive damage, and is repeatable. 2 Edo's makes this even easier, due to the fact Tobirama can teleport to either one of the two and make it explode form both sides. It dwarfed Juubi clones by a large margin, which were larger than Bunta. It's not SS size, but nevertheless enormous.
-TBB has to be fired off into a direction. Tobirama simply teleports to a marking on the opposite side of where it was fired, and since the TBB never makes contact with its originating wielder unless prematurely exploded, it cannot possibly affect Tobirama on the opposite side.
-Tobirama's Suidanaha easily slices off tails when Hachibi's tail was cut off by a shuriken, which would never slice a Shinju tree branch.
- SM Rasengan affected the Juubi jin because it is composed of senjutsu. The analogy is flawed, a False Analogy. Senjutsu is the only thing that works on the Juubi jin, so the GKF having failed implies it is weaker is deemed idiotic. Or are people claiming because Senpo Rasengan damaged Juubito, Senpo Rasengan>TBB tree explosion, which was nullified by Gudo Dama [

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-Juubito being immune to chakra based jutsu=/=Hachibi immunity to chakra based jutsu.
-Hachibi loses all his tails from Suidanaha, is heavily damaged by GKF affecting his real body alone, with no tails to assist. At that point, he will simply be taking GKF's to the face while he cannot touch Tobirama.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Tobirama using S/T Barrier is fanfiction, get feats to prove your argument.

2. Gojo isn't one shotting Hachibi, nor is it destroying a Mountain...Lmao. Not unless you think Naruto and Minato's Senjutsu Bijuu Sized Rasengan is going to do either. V1 Juubito blocked Gojo with less Gudo Dama than what was used to block that Rasengan, yet the Rasengan cracked it, Gojo did nothing. V1 Juubito couldn't use Onmyoton, so no one even bother mentioning it.

Tobirama still wins though. Prepped markings allow him to evade all Bijuu Dama, and repeated Gojo let him put Killer B down.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Except thats how FTG works. You use S/T to transport one place to another by using the seal as a medium. So nothing here is fanfiction.

Its fanfiction until Tobirama shows the skill with Hiriashin to use S/T barrier. Which he never will at this point.​

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Yea the Gama is standing furthest to the blast, only shows how far it extended while the Juubi minions were closest to the blast, look tinier to Gama (

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). I literally circled for you the first blast and the Juubi Head Gate (which Gama was also on top of it and teleported out).

He's not far enough away to where the point of view is giving the "Things are bigger than they appear affect". You can see the blast starting just a short ways in front of him. Your point with the Juubi Bunshin doesn't work either, they're all different sizes. Some of them only a bit taller than Sakura.

God Gates point still doesn't work. They were already smashed and not all of them are the same size,

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The same Juubimions that were being dwarfed by PS and Senpou Golem.

Naturally, if PS and Shinsuusenju are larger than the Juubi then they would be much bigger than the Juubi Bunshin.​

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It disproved you fail logic to determine how weak Gojo is compare to a Senpou Rasengan.

It proves absolutely nothing Lol Juubi's Durablity has nothing to do with Juubi Jin's Durability.​

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Except thats because Sage Art only works on the Juubi so it doesn't how dramatic and power ninjutsu is. Are you claiming that FRS<Rasengan. Since it failed against Juubito? Once again your reasoning is terrible.

The Juubi doesn't use Onmyoton. Only Perfect Jinchuriki's of the Juubi do (or Kurama Jinchuriki's with the Rikudo's Chakra).

FRS was canceled by Onmyoton. Senpo: Rasengan wasn't, I thought that was common knowledge.​

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Please tell me the difference in Hiriashin that makes a difference for the match.

Tobirama just isn't as good with Hiriashin and hasn't displayed the feats. Its elementary.​

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1. Tobirama using S/T Barrier is fanfiction, get feats to prove your argument.

2. Gojo isn't one shotting Hachibi, nor is it destroying a Mountain...Lmao. Not unless you think Naruto and Minato's Senjutsu Bijuu Sized Rasengan is going to do either. V1 Juubito blocked Gojo with less Gudo Dama than what was used to block that Rasengan, yet the Rasengan cracked it, Gojo did nothing. V1 Juubito couldn't use Onmyoton, so no one even bother mentioning it.

Tobirama still wins though. Prepped markings allow him to evade all Bijuu Dama, and repeated Gojo let him put Killer B down.

He doesn't really need to use Bijudama more than once. He can just use a single one to eradicate the Bunshin (Gets rid of Tobirama too unless he evades with Hiriashin) then use Ink Bunshin to seal them up)

He can just go down to V1 or V2 from there and outlast Tobirama as he has nothing that will hurt Bee in those states.​

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[Haizaki]

Tobirama wins.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Anime Tobirama has bringer of darkness. He takes it mid low.

 

[Ababeel]

Anime Tobirama has bringer of darkness. He takes it mid low.

How is that going to help? Lol
the Hachibi will break the genjutsu.

 

[AizenSosuke]

People are underestimating Tobirama. Gojo kibaku fuda, strong Suiton and FTG grants Tobirama the win.

 

[Bogard]

Tobirama should indeed win this

 

[RustledJimmies]

Bee wins .

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How is that going to help? Lol
the Hachibi will break the genjutsu.

Hiruzen has a perfect 5 in genjutsu, yet didn't break it.

 

[Benjamin King]

Hiruzen has a perfect 5 in genjutsu, yet didn't break it.

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[Brother Numpsay]

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For real tho. I dont think he understands genjutsu partnership counters it with ease.

 

[Apêx1]

Hiruzen has a perfect 5 in genjutsu, yet didn't break it.

This guy.. Lol

 

[Demonic.]

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I smell Dimitri Rascalov's alt

 

[Benjamin King]

For real tho. I dont think he understands genjutsu partnership counters it with ease.

That's not really the reason why his post is laughable. It's because he thinks the databook stats from Hiruzen's time are reliable with time currently. His hype is worthless right now, so are his databook stats. And as you said, partner method is far better than one person.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Its fanfiction until Tobirama shows the skill with Hiriashin to use S/T barrier. Which he never will at this point.​

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At this point of the manga we can still go by implications instead of feats. Otherwise no one should argue that Hashirama can use FTW, or Shukaku using TBB, and I can go on

He's not far enough away to where the point of view is giving the "Things are bigger than they appear affect". You can see the blast starting just a short ways in front of him. Your point with the Juubi Bunshin doesn't work either, they're all different sizes. Some of them only a bit taller than Sakura.

God Gates point still doesn't work. They were already smashed and not all of them are the same size,

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-How can you say he isn't far away when the same Deity Gates being blown from afar view, was here he was standing on top of. Your not making any sense. I can still use the Juubi minions because each looks different and by their looks determines which class of Juubi minions they are. The ones flying around Gojo are the class that are summoning level size.

-The juubi head version wasn't smash, as Gama and everyone else fighting Juubito was on top of it

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Gama was looking at another view from the gates dropped on Juubito

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Naturally, if PS and Shinsuusenju are larger than the Juubi then they would be much bigger than the Juubi Bunshin.​

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Which proves my point about Gojo

It proves absolutely nothing Lol Juubi's Durablity has nothing to do with Juubi Jin's Durability.​

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There is no arguments here senpou is the reason why Obito was damaged while ninjutsu no matter what is ineffective, so this doesn't support your arguments at all.

The Juubi doesn't use Onmyoton. Only Perfect Jinchuriki's of the Juubi do (or Kurama Jinchuriki's with the Rikudo's Chakra).

FRS was canceled by Onmyoton. Senpo: Rasengan wasn't, I thought that was common knowledge.​

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FRS wasn't cancel yet he tanked it first with ease then erase it.

Tobirama just isn't as good with Hiriashin and hasn't displayed the feats. Its elementary.​

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What you talking about. He introduce FTG swap, he proved that his marking is as permanent like Minato's, he perfectly establish the capability against Juubito once you get tagged. The only inferior Tobirama admitted was taking in more people then he can with FTG thats it

He doesn't really need to use Bijudama more than once. He can just use a single one to eradicate the Bunshin (Gets rid of Tobirama too unless he evades with Hiriashin) then use Ink Bunshin to seal them up)

He can just go down to V1 or V2 from there and outlast Tobirama as he has nothing that will hurt Bee in those states.​

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Tobirama has speed advantage plus court advantage the bushins plays games with him and eventually tags him. Penetrating power should hurt V1 and V2 or else he finishes it with Gojo.

 

[TRE MERCER]

How is this bias? In what conditions would it have been even match up?

Let's see here he's prepped he has his kunai already marked with ftg. Had edo fodders etc. A balance match up would have been restricting full Hachibi.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Let's see here he's prepped he has his kunai already marked with ftg. Had edo fodders etc. A balance match up would have been restricting full Hachibi.

so how that bias if bee need the restriction?

 

[Apêx1]

People don't seem to understand restrictions are there to make an interesting debate, so whenever the character they favour is being restricted, they start howling "biased." If you don't like the restrictions, you either;
1) Deal with it.
2) Choose another thread to cry in.