Tobirama Or. Minato

[startup97]

So who actually wins?

 

[Transcendence]

Tobirama roflstomps

come at me bro :|

I don't "come at" buffoons, sorry.

 

[-Punk-]

Namikaze Minato. Not debatable.

This ^ Not debatable .

 

[KidGamer65]

OT: Minato is more powerful. Point blank period. This match up shouldn't even be debatable.

Minato wins due to feats but imo, Tobirama's more powerful but lacks panel time.

As soon as Tobirama powered up and made the room shake convinced me this dude's strong.

Uh no. That was Hashirama, not Tobirama.
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[Prince Charles]

I would put my money on tobirama at the end of the day.

 

[Retsu]

tbh I dunno, I think tobirama's use of ftg and clones and higher chakra reserves means Minato doesn't have the big advantage of having an s/t tech over his opponents, I'd say it's 50/50

 

[SharinganisOP]

Minato wins, atleast while edo'd Minato is more powerful. Tobirama makes this abundantly clear when he says he can't teleport as many people and isn't as fast as Minato.

We havn't seen any of Tobirama's feats to compare with Minato when they were living, but I'm going to give it to Minato. Minato was able to take FTG to a new level after tobirama's death, and Minato is faster than Tobirama even without the Kyuubi's influence. This is shown when he arrives on the battlefield faster than tobirama or the other kages.

Also they are both extremely smart. I would say it goes down to who is faster, which is Minato.

 

[Touken]

Uh no. That was Hashirama, not Tobirama.
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I said shake. When Hashirama powered up he was about to destroy the room.

 

[KidGamer65]

I said shake. When Hashirama powered up he was about to destroy the room.

Don't know what manga you are reading but the room didn't shake one bit when Tobirama was about to attack. Not one bit. [

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[Shadow Phantasm]

Don't know what manga you are reading but the room didn't shake one bit when Tobirama was about to attack. Not one bit. [

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I thought Tobirama was the one who caused the room to tremble but Hashirama was the one who broke the floor.

 

[KidGamer65]

I thought Tobirama was the one who caused the room to tremble but Hashirama was the one who broke the floor.

Nope. The room trembled and shook when Hashirama was rousing his chakra. Tobirama simply said "I am going to....." and then Sasuke prepared for battle.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

I think its physically impossible for an FTG user to beat an FTG user. They can always warp away before the other gets a hit in. The only way to stop this would probably be genjutsu, but neither of them have shown genjutsu. It'll be a draw. It literally can't be anything else especially by what we know.

 

[Transcendence]

Tobirama wasn't the one who riled the room up. He had his little "I am going to...!" and then Hashirama interjected and that is when the room was about to be destroyed courtesy of Hashirama's overwhelming chakra.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Minato wins, he's technically a modified Tobirama without Suiton.

 

[Touken]

Don't know what manga you are reading but the room didn't shake one bit when Tobirama was about to attack. Not one bit. [

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Clearly evidenced by the lines in the background and the bits of floorboard in Tobirama's face, around Orochimaru & Taka and around Hiruzen & Minato. Want a clearer image? [

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[Shadow Phantasm]

Nope. The room trembled and shook when Hashirama was rousing his chakra. Tobirama simply said "I am going to....." and then Sasuke prepared for battle.

Oh okay,that scene was a little confusing because Tobirama looked like he was causing the room to shake.

 

[KidGamer65]

Clearly evidenced by the lines in the background and the bits of floorboard in Tobirama's face, around Orochimaru & Taka and around Hiruzen & Minato. Want a clearer image? [

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Ok, I see it now. You have a point there.

Oh okay,that scene was a little confusing because Tobirama looked like he was causing the room to shake.

Nah, Touken showed that he was causing it to shake, or at least the area he was standing in.

 

[Ababeel]

Although I don't know why is this debatable honestly, since it's obvious, but well.

1- Tobirama admitted that

Minato's

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his

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this is automatically make Minato better than him in ALL of the S/T jutsus!
Minato's FTG 1 & 2 >Tobirama's.

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Minato's S/T barrier > Tobirama's Water Formation Wall
Minato's Goshun Mawashi > Tobirama's. Since Minato's S/T jutsu is faster than Tobirama's

they both have Clones, the Four Red Yang Formation, and finger ability.

Rasengan (A rank) > Tobirama's water Dragon (B rank).

Tobirama has ET, but we don't know who he can summon + Minato has sealing jutsus as well
and his contract seal should be able to take Tobirama's control away

Raper death > Mutually Multiplying Explosive Tags

and Minato still has
Summoning Technique (Toads) With all their jutsus
Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique
Eight Trigrams Sealing Style
Four Symbols Seal

this is in term of jutsus, Minato clearly superior.

 

[Tobby17]

It's funny that people mention ''feats''. I don't see any feat that puts Minato above Tobirama, ok he has a ''better'' ftg, so what?.. He's gonna throw kunais around and start teleporting from one position to another?. Or he's somehow going to get a chance to hold down Tobirama to use Shiki Fuujin??..

Tobirama doesn't use Kamui, so no FTG ''level 2'' isn't working on him, and he's not stupid enough to attack Minato like the third Raikage did, his fighting style is not like that anyways. So yeah, I'm yet to see how Minato actually beats him, except you're counting Edo Minato here.

People fail to see that FTG gives Minato a good defense and that's about it, he throws kunais around and teleports to them whenever he's in danger, how does this even help him defeat Tobirama??. I mean if Obito didn't try to attack him with a chain -__-, he would have had no hope of touching the dude even with his ''ftg lvl 2''.

 

[sdam]

Minato has the best reflexes ever, his shunshin was stated better than Tobirama by Tobirama himself. They can both do the standard version of FTG, which is marking the opponent and teleport to him/her. But Minato made it better by putting marks on his kunais. Plus Minato can do space time barriers, which Tobirama can't... I believe it goes to Minato. But Tobirama is amazing tho!!! NOHATE =D