Tobirama is expert

[Chīkara]

Well, than the same words go to you too.



No. Liking a character is not crazy, but really hating one, like people do with Sakura and lately Tobirama, are crazy.

If you don't like the character OK, you don't like him. But, going and making all kind of hate threads and simmilar stuff, it's just really stupid.

If hating is is crazy then liking a unreal charatcter too
because it is something it dont exist so you like or hate nothing

so in fact both is crazy

 

[BazzBee]

He is gifted with special friend breaker

 

[Steaktacular]

And Madara was this kind angel that Tobirama corrupted and transformed into the devil himself.

Good stuff

 

[Nagato and Pain]

Well, than the same words go to you too.



No. Liking a character is not crazy, but really hating one, like people do with Sakura and lately Tobirama, are crazy.

If you don't like the character OK, you don't like him. But, going and making all kind of hate threads and simmilar stuff, it's just really stupid.

Prove its stupid? Your stupid for liking Tobirama if he is stupid for hating him.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Does this look like hating thread??? Pointing facts is hating? Because you like Tobirama doesn't mean that i cant show-talk about the negativve points of his personality

Than way didn't you mention Madara's personality?

You seem to forget the Uchiha's high sensitivity. You just look at them the wrong way, they all awaken MS. Tobirama didn't say anything to Madara, cuz he didn't want to do anyghin with him. Madara was too sensitive like all the Uchiha's, exept for Itachi.

If hating is is crazy then liking a unreal charatcter too
because it is something it dont exist so you like or hate nothing

so in fact both is crazy

Prove its stupid? Your stupid for liking Tobirama if he is stupid for hating him.

Yeah, but making hate threads is. :yeah:

 

[Zeph]

Tobirama is expert in creating dangerous jutsu.

 

[yondaimeminato]

both harishima and tobirama were too stupid to become hokage. Harishima lacked "tsunade" attitude. He basically did not know how to run a village. Tobirama was too scared of the uchiha. He never thought of the uchiha's as equals.

Harishima gave weapons to the other villages so that the other villages are more "balanced" in power. Well, harishima gave those villages a taste of power and they used that power to start the second great ninja war. Cloud village constantly trying to get possession of the tailed beast. Even the other villages destroyed uzumaki clan because they wanted their sealing techniques for the tailed beasts.

Tobirama fueled hatred into the uchiha. What madara told the uchiha at the end of the day turned out to be right. An uchiha would have never be able to become a hokage. It was a silent fight that the senju were winning without fighting. They managed to get the uchiha to get rid of madara. They managed to isolate them. Even sarotobi did not want an uchiha to become the hokage. Sarotobi said himself " uchiha itachi" had the potential to become the hokage at young age but he basically didn't do anything to stop uchiha itachi to kill his clansman. The reason is simple, an uchiha who had the potential to become hokage was about to become the criminal that everyone in the village will know. Uchiha Itachi had a great chance of becoming the hokage and this is what Saratobi feared the most.

I have seen many occasions that tsunade went against the elders and higher ups. She never did what they asked of her. Yet saratobi let the elders dominate him because he wanted to be dominated. Deep inside of him, he didn't want an uchiha to become the hokage. At the end of the day, the uchiha were trying to seperate from hidden leaf village because they would never be treated as equal. All they had to do was to have a talk and tell them that uchiha itachi would be the next hokage and that they would no longer be isolated and treated differently. This would have stopped the uchiha from trying to separate from the leaf.

It is to be expected of sarotobi his resentment towards the uchiha. He was the student of tobirama after all. Sarotobi was chosen to be hokage at good age before uchiha itachi was even born. Many years had gone away, saratobi did not do anything to get the uchiha back into the hidden leaf village and the uchiha were still isolated even with the introduction of the new hokage. First hokage was a senju, second hokage was a senju, third hokage was a senju.They were still isolated. Uchiha village had all the reason in the world to try to separate from the hidden leaf village.

 

[Shizu]

Well, than the same words go to you too.

No. Liking a character is not crazy, but really hating one, like people do with Sakura and lately Tobirama, are crazy.

If you don't like the character OK, you don't like him. But, going and making all kind of hate threads and simmilar stuff, it's just really stupid.

I don't hate on characters, I don't hate Tobirama, and I just wanted to discuss the the whole situation, he shared the way he felt about it, so I did as well. What does an unreal character have to with it? I'm not crazy obsessed, but I like the manga, and when you get into it, you end up liking some things and not liking others, and a forum like this just gives opportunity to talk about the things in the manga.

 

[Mattbart]

both harishima and tobirama were too stupid to become hokage. Harishima lacked "tsunade" attitude. He basically did not know how to run a village. Tobirama was too scared of the uchiha. He never thought of the uchiha's as equals.

Harishima gave weapons to the other villages so that the other villages are more "balanced" in power. Well, harishima gave those villages a taste of power and they used that power to start the second great ninja war. Cloud village constantly trying to get possession of the tailed beast. Even the other villages destroyed uzumaki clan because they wanted their sealing techniques for the tailed beasts.

Tobirama fueled hatred into the uchiha. What madara told the uchiha at the end of the day turned out to be right. An uchiha would have never be able to become a hokage. It was a silent fight that the senju were winning without fighting. They managed to get the uchiha to get rid of madara. They managed to isolate them. Even sarotobi did not want an uchiha to become the hokage. Sarotobi said himself " uchiha itachi" had the potential to become the hokage at young age but he basically didn't do anything to stop uchiha itachi to kill his clansman. The reason is simple, an uchiha who had the potential to become hokage was about to become the criminal that everyone in the village will know. Uchiha Itachi had a great chance of becoming the hokage and this is what Saratobi feared the most.

I have seen many occasions that tsunade went against the elders and higher ups. She never did what they asked of her. Yet saratobi let the elders dominate him because he wanted to be dominated. Deep inside of him, he didn't want an uchiha to become the hokage. At the end of the day, the uchiha were trying to seperate from hidden leaf village because they would never be treated as equal. All they had to do was to have a talk and tell them that uchiha itachi would be the next hokage and that they would no longer be isolated and treated differently. This would have stopped the uchiha from trying to separate from the leaf.

Don't think second was scared senju pimp handed them in battle didnt trust them and has being proven right

 

[yondaimeminato]

Don't think second was scared senju pimp handed them in battle didnt trust them and has being proven right

dude, even the most noblest would become know that he is not being treated right "equally" and would try to separate. Tobirama himself said their eyes reflect their emotions. He knew that the uchiha had the potential to become like madara which means he feared the uchiha because madara was powerful and he feared they would be more within the uchiha. But what tobirama failed to realized is that the uchiha wanted peace and wanted to be treated right.

After tobirama was appointed the second hokage, he isolated the uchiha. Many years had gone away and the uchiha were still isolated even with the introduction of the new hokage. First hokage was a senju, second hokage was a senju, third hokage was a senju.They were still isolated. Uchiha village had all the reason in the world to try to separate from the hidden leaf village.

 

[yes iam Sakura chan]

HELL TO THE NO.
Madara was too sensitive to handle a critisicism.how do you expect him to run a village...... .........................

 

[Aten]

both harishima and tobirama were too stupid to become hokage. Harishima lacked "tsunade" attitude. He basically did not know how to run a village. Tobirama was too scared of the uchiha. He never thought of the uchiha's as equals.

Harishima gave weapons to the other villages so that the other villages are more "balanced" in power. Well, harishima gave those villages a taste of power and they used that power to start the second great ninja war. Cloud village constantly trying to get possession of the tailed beast. Even the other villages destroyed uzumaki clan because they wanted their sealing techniques for the tailed beasts.

Tobirama fueled hatred into the uchiha. What madara told the uchiha at the end of the day turned out to be right. An uchiha would have never be able to become a hokage. It was a silent fight that the senju were winning without fighting. They managed to get the uchiha to get rid of madara. They managed to isolate them. Even sarotobi did not want an uchiha to become the hokage. Sarotobi said himself " uchiha itachi" had the potential to become the hokage at young age but he basically didn't do anything to stop uchiha itachi to kill his clansman. The reason is simple, an uchiha who had the potential to become hokage was about to become the criminal that everyone in the village will know. Uchiha Itachi had a great chance of becoming the hokage and this is what Saratobi feared the most.

I have seen many occasions that tsunade went against the elders and higher ups. She never did what they asked of her. Yet saratobi let the elders dominate him because he wanted to be dominated. Deep inside of him, he didn't want an uchiha to become the hokage. At the end of the day, the uchiha were trying to seperate from hidden leaf village because they would never be treated as equal. All they had to do was to have a talk and tell them that uchiha itachi would be the next hokage and that they would no longer be isolated and treated differently. This would have stopped the uchiha from trying to separate from the leaf.

It is to be expected of sarotobi his resentment towards the uchiha. He was the student of tobirama after all. Sarotobi was chosen to be hokage at good age before uchiha itachi was even born. Many years had gone away, saratobi did not do anything to get the uchiha back into the hidden leaf village and the uchiha were still isolated even with the introduction of the new hokage. First hokage was a senju, second hokage was a senju, third hokage was a senju.They were still isolated. Uchiha village had all the reason in the world to try to separate from the hidden leaf village.

Third hokage is not a Senju. You can't prove third hokage didn't like Uchiha. In fact third hokage sacrifice himself not only for the sake of the village, but he did it on Itachi's wishes to protect Sasuke and not tell Sasuke the truth about the Uchiha clan. So you are wrong. I think he cared about the Uchiha clan as much as the rest of the village simply because he when about Itachi's wishes, who is indeed an Uchiha.

 

[Kronus]

yes,it's his fault hashi ignored the people and tried to make madara hokage . clearly , he is to be blamed for madara going to the dark side let's all blame tobi for not trusting those who killed his brothers....but he is to blame for isolating the uchiha.