[Discussion] Tobirama>EMS Madara

HashiramaDescendant

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Lmao,What does this has anything to do with my post? He said only Hashirama can fight on par with him which means that Tobirama(Or any other shinobi of their time ) was inferior in his eyes.Hashirama being stronger than Madara has nothing to do with this.

Iam not a fan of Madara btw.I like him but Tobirama is far above Madara in my fav character list.

I see. As you were. xD
 

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I DONT REALLY KNOW WHO IS STRONGER
bt lets use logic
1.Madara like sasuke is arogant as any Uchiha. he underestimated other shinobis when he said "only hashi can compete on par with" that is just arogant/ignorant saying. Its like 3 tomoe sasuke strongly believing he can beat Itachi.
2.EMS madara has 1 chakra nature fire which is nothing against tobirama.
3.I believe tobirama has a stronger water dragon than kisame he should be able to use that to stop Susano'o. he'll be overpowered bt its enough to keep him alive for susano'o usage pain to take its toll on maddy.
4.Just like Kisame tobirama is able to change the battle field to his advantage.
5. EMS madara has nothing on FTG. he can use it to escape all maddy's susano attacks.
6.Tobirama is a senju and logic states senjus are stronger than uchihas.
7.Maddy lasted long agaist Hashi cos of the 9tails(we are talking about a full kyuubi) and Hashi ddnt want to kill him at first so he defended most of the time.
 

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Madara and Izuna werent equals..that was stated by Itachi and clearly thats not it.

Madara states that the only one that can contend with him is Hashirama.

GG.

Still dont see him getting past perfect susanoo
 

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This thread is inherently flawed since we don't know with what difficulty Tobirama beat Izuna or the difficulty that Hashi beat MS Madara. Also, there is the fact that Madara confirmed that Hashirama was the sole person who could defeat him back in the day.
 

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Until tobirama gets more feats, probably suiton tech, Madara is undoubtably greater than tobirama. your logic is a little bit shaky, but I get what your saying: Since Madara needed Kurama to push Hashirama to high diff, Tobirama should be able to beat or get beaten high diff sin Kurama. Since Tobirama and Hashirama were always in the same league.
 

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No one could beat Madara but Hashirama. Its more likely Tobirama killed him with a sneak attack. Based on what Madara says.
 
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