Tobirama = Danzo= J. Edgar Hoover in terms of politics

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Some people will agree some people won't I Dont care!

Now we know that Danzo was in the background of the leaf village protecting the leaf's domestic and foreign interest. He was ruthless. he influenced Itachi to wipeout uchiha clan, he was partially responsible for yahiko's death which made turned nagato into pain. we have no clue what him and orochamaru were scheming on when he could've have sent the full force of root after orochamru, he stood by when Pain attacked Leaf village. these were all evil but he did some good because his network of spies kept the leaf informed of any major hostilities in other villages and took them out.

Now we know that tobirama was a kage who died allowing other's to escape. we know he developed the Edo tensei which is the most forbidden of all jutsu's it does require using a live person to be sacraficed and some gravedigging leading me to wonder exactly how he developed the edo tensei most jutsu require practice and experimentation. we also know that he outcasted the uchiha's by making them the police force whether it was good or bad it allowed him to keep an eye on them.

Both of these fictional character's have a lot in common with the real live J. Edgar Hoover who we know intentionally used the controvorseial COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) which was a series of covert, and at times illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveying, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic political organizations.
The FBI has used covert operations against domestic political groups since its inception; however, covert operations under the official COINTELPRO label took place between 1956 and 1971. COINTELPRO tactics have been alleged to include discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination. The FBI's stated motivation was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order."
FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive", including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the civil rights movement, including Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society and the Weathermen; almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, as well as individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; the National Lawyers Guild; organizations and individuals associated with the women's rights movement; nationalist groups such as those seeking independence for Puerto Rico, United Ireland, and Cuban exile movements including Orlando Bosch's Cuban Power and the Cuban Nationalist Movement; and additional notable Americans—even Albert Einstein, who was a member of several civil rights groups, came under FBI surveillance during the years just prior to COINTELPRO's official inauguration. The remaining 15% of COINTELPRO resources were expended to marginalize and subvert "white hate groups", including the Ku Klux Klan and the National States' Rights Party.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover issued directives governing COINTELPRO, ordering FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the activities of these movements and their leaders.
 

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Mhm well Hoover's methods were not exactly Danzo-like but I can see what you did there.

Tobirama on the other hand doesn't use dirty tricks like Danzo or behind-the-scenes tactics so I have to disagree there.


Edit: If more than 10 people read that wall then I will be amazed. And no I didn't either because I know about Hoover ;P
 

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The FBI and CIA always use covert operations and underhanded tactics to stay ahead in the world of intelligence and espionage. This is not a surprise to me, nor should it be to anyone else.
 

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Mhm well Hoover's methods were not exactly Danzo-like but I can see what you did there.

Tobirama on the other hand doesn't use dirty tricks like Danzo or behind-the-scenes tactics so I have to disagree there.


Edit: If more than 10 people read that wall then I will be amazed. And no I didn't either because I know about Hoover ;P
it was dirty and underhanded to isolate the uchiha's on a whim that one may become madarra, and how many people were sacraficed in order for him to invent edo tensei
 

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Damn that's a huge wall of text.
Tobirama is nothing like J. Edgar he was just a realist and balanced Hashirama's child like naivete with realism and hard decision making.
 

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it was dirty and underhanded to isolate the uchiha's on a whim that one may become madarra, and how many people were sacraficed in order for him to invent edo tensei

Oy oy we don't know about the Edo Tensei. As we saw the ritual doesn't require a human body. Hashirama clones would do the job. We don't know what he used.

As for the Uchiha, this move was made in the open, not behind the scenes like Hoover. Notice how I didn't object for Danzo.
 
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I see your point of view. But for J. Edgar almost no one sacrificed for him, but for Danzo a lot of people. J. Edgar did not ordered a Kukluxklan member to make a blood bath out of their organization, Danzo did, he told Itachi to murder all the Uchihas...
 

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I see your point of view. But for J. Edgar almost no one sacrificed for him, but for Danzo a lot of people. J. Edgar did not ordered a Kukluxklan member to make a blood bath out of their organization, Danzo did, he told Itachi to murder all the Uchihas...
I guess you are forgetting about the black panthers notably Fred Hampton
and do church bombings count these are some of the things that jay edgar hoover was directly responsible
 
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Oy oy we don't know about the Edo Tensei. As we saw the ritual doesn't require a human body. Hashirama clones would do the job. We don't know what he used.

As for the Uchiha, this move was made in the open, not behind the scenes like Hoover. Notice how I didn't object for Danzo.

those were zetsu's my friends which as far as has been shown only maddarra had oh and i agree with you on the uchiha point
 
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