Tobirama and the Ginkaku /Kinkaku delima

[Penguin]

For all of you who say Kinkaku and Ginkaku are superior to Tobirama, please. We do not know the specifics, and the legends were passed down to the Raikage, and they are not always true. It is stretching the story. What we do know.

1.) Tobirama lost


That is all we know. Want to see some variables?

1.) Tobirama was probably not trying to beat them, but to buy time for his squad.
2.) Tobirama could have been fighting 20 elite ninja, not just 2.
3.) Tobirama could have beat all of them, and ended in a mutual draw.
4.) Tobirama could have got hit with that golden rope and sealed.
5.) Tobirama could have killed Ginkaku and then Kin transformed.
6.) Kakazu could have been there! When he was reanimatetd, he says "Kin transformed? I wonder who killed Ginkaku."

What I am saying is, do not automaticly assume that Kinkaku and Ginkaku are better than Tobirama until we have proof.

Thanks for your input!

 

[Young Thug]

Kinkaku and Ginkaku > Tobirama





















lol

 

[cmilius]

It was in this battle the brothers died and both the 2nd raikage and tobirama senj were fighting 20 jounin plus the two brothers.

 

[Waltz]

Speculation on feat-less tobirama is all i see here. Both Kin and Gin were capable of:

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Thats already enough.

 

[Penguin]

It was in this battle the brothers died and both the 2nd raikage and tobirama senj were fighting 20 jounin plus the two brothers.

Incorrect. Hokage and Raikage already had there run in with the brothers before this. After that, Tobirama and his team were running, Tobirama sacrificed himself to Gin and Kin + squad.

 

[Penguin]

Speculation on feat-less tobirama is all i see here. Both Kin and Gin were capable of:

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Thats already enough.

You are speculating now. We do not know of Tobirama's abilities, and you are saying a 6tail Kinkaku can beat him. Pure speculation.

 

[Miyata]

You are speculating now. We do not know of Tobirama's abilities, and you are saying a 6tail Kinkaku can beat him. Pure speculation.

2 SIX tails (gin and kin) can beat him...

 

[Waltz]

You are speculating now. We do not know of Tobirama's abilities, and you are saying a 6tail Kinkaku can beat him. Pure speculation.

The bold is the reason why you shouldn't make vague statements like this:

What I am saying is, do not automaticly assume that Kinkaku and Ginkaku are better than Tobirama until we have proof.

You have nothing to show for tobirama that he would even stand a chance against Kin and Gin besides your ideas.

 

[blackstar9]

Tobirama the featless hokage . Hopefully kishi will show us something about him besides having an aggressive personality.

 

[Penguin]

The bold is the reason why you shouldn't make vague statements like this:



You have nothing to show for tobirama that he would even stand a chance against Kin and Gin besides your ideas.

He is not completely featless. He cracked a wall by patting it.

 

[sharingan17]

Funny thing is b4 we saw hashirama in action someppl though hiruzen was stronger, but now look, I bet the same thing is gonna happen with tobirama he gonna be crazy strong too.

 

[-Raviel-]

No offense dude but give these threads a rest because we've never seen Tobirama in a fight before

 

[Waltz]

He is not completely featless. He cracked a wall by patting it.

Good point you made there. 100% i agree, he is stronger. They could never do something as amazingly awesome as that i'm sure. I guess that means sakura and Tsunade are stronger than them also being that they could do the same! you really hit the nail on the head with this one.

 

[-Raviel-]

Good point you made there. 100% i agree, he is stronger. They could never do something as amazingly awesome as that i'm sure. I guess that means sakura and Tsunade are stronger than them also being that they could do the same! you really hit the nail on the head with this one.

I think u got carried away with the sarcasm on this one bud

 

[Penguin]

I think u got carried away with the sarcasm on this one bud

He is upset. Let him rant. He forgot to mention, Tonton > Kurama.

 

[Draegod]

He is not completely featless. He cracked a wall by patting it.

Lmao hahahahahahhahahaha

hahahahahahhahahahahahhaha

That must be end all way to tell you are OP!

2 and a half divisions (roughly 60% of the entire shonobi alliance!) were getting destroyed by just 1 of them!!!

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Imagine 2 of them!!!

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

We do not know the specifics, and the legends were passed down to the Raikage, and they are not always true.

why would we need to know the specifics? i love the bias here. we apparently dont need to know the specifics of madara vs mu (he won without going all out, the end) but now your complaining about wanting to know the specifics of this? kishi didnt want us to know because we were told all we needed to (kin and gin attempted a coup, fought second hokage, beat him down).

Tobirama was probably not trying to beat them, but to buy time for his squad.

if your talking about that, theres absolutely zero proof they were there. rendering most of your post pointless. hes a sensor and only figured it was kinkaku squad because of the way they tracked him. he did not recognise their chakras.

Tobirama could have got hit with that golden rope and sealed.

impossible. samui and atsui were sealed but they arent dead. tobirama is dead and summoned by edo tensei

Tobirama could have killed Ginkaku and then Kin transformed.

no. gin and kin mention tobirama in a condescending kind of "oh yeah the guy we messed up back in the day" way. barely worth remembering in other words. they show more respect and admiration for third raikage than anythign else

Kakazu could have been there! When he was reanimatetd, he says "Kin transformed? I wonder who killed Ginkaku."

kakuzu was at the location when ginkaku died, but again we dont know when that was. gin and kin know third raikage and know he uses black lightning. third doesnt look THAT old as an edo.

What I am saying is, do not automaticly assume that Kinkaku and Ginkaku are better than Tobirama

the proof is the manga. tsunade STATES they left the second near death and shikamaru later said "so this is the monster who defeated the second hokage".

I bet the same thing is gonna happen with tobirama he gonna be crazy strong too.

no matter what tobi shows from here on out it would only make kin and gin look more like badasses for whooping his ass

 

[Waltz]

He is upset. Let him rant. He forgot to mention, Tonton > Kurama.

Reasonably sarcastic, not upset.

 

[lol99]

He is not completely featless. He cracked a wall by patting it.

lmao XD XD