[VS] Tobirama and Minato take the gauntlet.

[Ababeel]

10. Hashirama [no Sage Mode]

Hashirama low-mid diff

lol, How can Hashi even attack them with their combined FTG?
And if he can't how can he win?

 

[Penguin]

I meant MS Tobi since I said Tobi, but you can put Rinnegan Obito in there if you wish.

 

[Minator93]

Even if its Rinnegan Obito Minato beats his ass down U_U

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Just re-read your second point. If you don't understand why I'm asking you to, Re-read it again, and again and again until you realize what you just said and how it applies to what you just quoted.

Your last point doesn't make sense. It's already established he can put multiple people in a genjutsu at the same time.

Yeah, because Itachi will catch a sensor with FTG and the fastest character in the manga under genjutsu.

Rofl.

 

[AGoodBoy]

It's cool.

Ah, I thought you weren't taking those factors into considerations. Fair points.

nah man I always factor in. I just tend not to write it down in responses unless I really get into a debate and have to now explain everything to someone.

Yeah, because Itachi will catch a sensor with FTG and the fastest character in the manga under genjutsu.

Rofl.

Implying there's a warning?
Only in your brain are people able to counter warning-less eye contact by just running. Only in your brain.

Just wondering how you expect them to get past obito with the gedo statue?

How exactly would Rinnegan obito win?
-These two easily redirect Tbb's (if obito's given paths) and take out the paths from play once they learn their weaknesses... Not like they can't just go directly for obito.
-One Kibakufuda is all it takes to keep Gedo masu busy the entire fight with a never ending explosion. Gedo doesn't have omnyoudon to nullify the explosions
-Obito canonically can't even kamui these guys due to FTG

but he can win?

 

[Ababeel]

-Naruto's chakra control is awful.
-Orochimaru almost broke it but Itachi cut off his hand.
-Itachi can't drop them both into genjutsu either.

As Pat's said, they stop at Hashirama.

Lol, what?

 

[Touken]

Lol, what?

*was

I was referring to the start of Shippuden.

 

[Avinash012]

what...? Where do you even get that they're even remotely smarter than itachi? nothing even suggests this... It's already established that people like Itachi and Kakashi are freaking geniuses. Minato and Tobirama can only equal that intellect, not surpass that. Especially with their subpar feats in intelligence by comparison to kakashi and itachi... Itachi can predict your movement off sheer emotion and just knowing who you are, but he can't place them both in a genjutsu... ?The alone right there + sharingan precog gives Itachi almost a 100% chance of setting them up to a perfect opportunity to catch them in a multi genjutsu. It's only their intelligence that doesn't make it an undisputed 100% fact.

Anyway, I see where you're coming from now. However, It doesn't matter if they look into itachi's eyes. There's a very very very overlooked aspect of itachi's fighting style that most people either don't know, or have forgotten.

• We know that itachi is capable of bursting into crows whenever he's hit. This is usually under the illusion of his genjutsu's however, it can also be used without
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  . Though the fact that it was used on kabuto (immune to genjutsu) should already cement this fact,
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  scan also helps cement it. As we can see, The feathers from the birds were completely visible to taka who later entered the room, meaning this was no illusion sasuke was under.
  
• We also know that Itachi can also summon[
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  ] these crows himself at his own will, thereby offering another means of bringing these crows onto the battlefield.
  
• The last point to note is that, we know that this crow jutsu is a konoha jutsu. Therefore, Tobirama and minato(possibly) know about this crow summoning jutsu. However, the way it's implemented in konoha is in the form of a
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  so that the user may find time to
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  ; With the birds able to take on
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  fashion at the caster's whim.

Now, Let's put that all together. So, Itachi's able to use these crows in one of three ways.
1) He can use it the normal way in that he shuushins in at blinding speed to drop the opponent into a tsukuyomi. This was done so fast that even a sharingan user was completely left in

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. If this method is done on one of them, they're instantly out of that battle. All itachi needs to do is take cover behind kisame for a while to rest up while he distracts the remaining one for a while.

2) Itachi can just make

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. Seeing as this is a complete itachi original, itachi would have been bursting into crows the entire fight to really give them no reason to suspect this, and this is a konoha jutsu not meant for this purpose, These two wouldn't be suspecting this at all. The biggest point to notice is that said crow doesn't even need to get close, it just needs to get it's sharingan into their line of sight. So, if they decide they want to look at itachi's feet, he simple moves the sharingan crow near his foot and they're now in his genjutsu.

3) He can use 1 and 2 together to place both of them under genjutsu with one being placed with method 1 while the other is placed with method 2.

At that point, they're in sharingan genjutsu. All kisame needs to do is Toss a GSB and the fight is over.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be mean.

Like I said, If they're both under genjutsu that's pretty pointless. I know this is a 2 v 1, hence why I said a multiple genjutsu. If they're in a genjutsu, they can FTG all they want, but they'll be ftg'ing in itachi's genjutsu world while their real body is stationary until they break the genjutsu. During that time, Kisame can come in. I'm not saying it's a 1 shot start of the fight thing, because it depends on several factors such as;

-Catching them both in genjutsu
-Catching them in genjutsu while they have no shadow clones out
-Holding them in genjutsu long enough to allow itachi/kisame to dish some damage -> Which is dependent on how well they are at breaking genjutsu.

Like I said, they clear this gauntlet IMO, it's just number 6 that I think would be the hardest part and that they might actually be able to lose at. Yes, and I think they'd beat even hashi together. Tobirama's water slicing jutsu and kibakufuda will be a ***** for Hashirama. Adding in minato help tobirama just run around him with FTG makes it highly likely they can take him out.

I didn't said that they are clearly above Itachi,I said Probably and how can u say that they can't be better than Itachi? It is also established that both Tobirama as well as Minato are geniuses,they proved their hype during various occasions, even Kakashi considered Minato as unsurpassable,hell he turned into one of the strongest dude without any clan background and with pure talent,no need to mention about Tobirama,how can u possibly say that they can't be above Itachi?

Sorry but I don't think something as simple as that would work on them especially when the people we are talking about are fastest shinobi of all time and their movents can't be predicted by Sharingan,If Itachi uses clones then what makes u think that they won't do the same?Minato already proved that he can tell the difference b/w a clone and original when he saved Kakashi,Tobirama is a sensor he can always sense the chakra build up in the eyes regardless of wheter it is original or not.
So genjutsu is pretty much out of qustion.

Just wondering how you expect them to get past obito with the gedo statue?

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If it is rinnegan Obito with paths then ,Obito obviously wins.

 

[Draphsin]

How exactly would Rinnegan obito win?

-These two easily redirect Tbb's (if obito's given paths) and take out the paths from play once they learn their weaknesses... Not like they can't just go directly for obito.

How do they redirect tbbs without a marking on obito [or his paths]? They can't redirect anything, s/t barrier is useless due to the seals being within such close proximity to eachother. S/t barrier can only be useful if minato has kunai prepped beforehand.

Btw obito with the paths is too much, I'm just using the gedo statue here.

-One Kibakufuda is all it takes to keep Gedo masu busy the entire fight with a never ending explosion. Gedo doesn't have omnyoudon to nullify the explosions

Not a chance, especially when a simple

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is enough to blow multiple shinobi back + knock chouji & chouza off their feet. The gedo doesnt need to prep for that attack, kibakufuda isnt going off before the gedo roars.

& lets just say the gedo is too slow for arguments sake, obito has his own way of defending against the explosion.

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will protect them until obito warps away & re-summons the gedo to a different location. & it is fast enough as shown when obito activated it mid punch from gyuki.

-Obito canonically can't even kamui these guys due to FTG

Based on what?

FTG lets them escape if they realize that they're being warped. However obito can easily warp behind them before they notice what's going on.

Minato noticed after he used s/t barrier but what would've happened if obito warped him during that? Minato would have no answer because he would be too busy transporting the tbb. So if obito warps either of the duo during an attack from the gedo mazou then they can't avoid it. Instead of waiting for the attack to finish obito can use the gedo to knock the team back & get behind either of them to initiate the warps needed.

& to add, obito has many different ways of getting rid of the duo aside from warping them away.

Shuriken spam [secondary form of attack next to the gedo itself]

Black rods [used in place of kamui, instead of warping initially he can insert a rod & bind their chakra]

Mokuton [same as above, although not as effective]

Katon [AoE that can be used in conjunction with the gedo]

Zetsu [Through the use of his underground transportation he can remove any stray kunai that may still be intact]

Gedo [Chakra roar,

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, physical strength]

Genjutsu [Also can be used in place of kamui, in this scenario genjutsu would've paralyzed minato]

Warping them away is simply one of many possible moves at obito's disposal. He can use whatever move he sees fit, & with the gedo providing a distraction there is almost no chance they would notice a warp when the time comes.

but he can win?

Yup

 

[Nagato The Sage]

All matches after 5 and including 5 are too much for them.