Tobirama and Kisame

[xxSAGExx]

Can someone please explain to me why there are people on this site who think Kisame is a better water jutsu user than Tobirama?

Sure he's a shark and he can breath under water. So what. Besides that all he can do is spit alot of water out of his mouth.

There's a reason Tobirama went down in history in naruto as the best water jutsu user. Come on, he can pull water jutsu out of the moister in the air while surround by fire. Kisame couldnt do that if him an the entire land hidden in the mist life was depending on it.

Why is everyone underrating Tobirama? Cause he didnt **** up the ninja who was basically the SO6P? Cause he didnt get that much time shown in the fight? Like people think sasuke could beat him? Didnt anyone notice Tobirama's face when he was about to kill sasuke even after he found out he had EMS? He obviously didnt see sasuke even almost as a threat. People think Sasuke gonna surprise him with Sasunoo and amaterasu? Tobirama knows more about the uchiha's than sasuke knows. Sasuke aint bouta surprise no body with that.

The way I see it, Tobirama, Hashirama and Madara (EMS) are all on another level that's beyond kage level. No one shown to be on their level, Tobirama is also being portrayed as the creator of many jutsus so for all we know he created most of the jutsus Kisame use. Who knows

 

[Jarex]

tobirama is a great water user. it was even said that his water jutsus are not weak against earth. he has not yet shown much water techs but the one he has used are so op.

suiton: suidanha wzas able to cut through the god tree
his slidding water he was ables to block of hiruzen's fireballs with his bare hands

and more talking about kisame's sword, tobirama had a sword too. the sword of the thunder god which was said to be op

there is so much to tobiram in suiton that kisame cannot comprehend. am sure its tobirama who invented most of the water techs that are in use now

 

[6pathofpain]

The only reason kisames even half as good as tobirama is his sword, that's the only reason he can do any chakra absorbing anything. And its manga facts that back up everything I said yall just need to do your research, tobirama created probably over half the jutsu kisame and mei use.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

I don't know about kisame being stronger than him but with that sword I think kisame could stand toe to toe with a lot of people out there. Guy just happen to be his worst match up seeing as one of the best things about kisame was his sword and that it could absorb chakra. But Tobi wins.

lol tobiramam invents jutsu' and several others do it better than him

 

[~Nemesis~]

By feats, Kisame is better.

I agree. Kishi suggests Tobirama is a better Suiton User, but from what I've seen, Kisame hands down.

 

[6pathofpain]

Where does the "hype" associated with Tobirama come from? I just want to know where it originates... but have yet to see anything. Is it anime-only or something?

Its in the manga and his bio if you read it

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

This goddess is the true master of Water she solo's kisame and tobirama

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[6pathofpain]

Kisame is the undisputed lord of the Suiton element. Mei is good, coming in second. Tobirama has one decent jutsu with suiton though.

Think about this, when the hokages were brought back, tobirama and hashirama were the only one able to move free until oro use the power up he got from hashirama DNA to stop tobirama. Nagato wasn't even strong enough to do that. And nagato is easily top 5

 

[Raekwon26]

Because Kisame is better.

He just is.

 

[Minator93]

Tobirama cut the god tree that beat BSM Naruto, Tobirama is the greatest water user by feats U_U

 

[6pathofpain]

I agree. Kishi suggests Tobirama is a better Suiton User, but from what I've seen, Kisame hands down.

See, this is am answer I can understand, cause from tobirama's history in the manga we've only seen him do 2 water jutsu I think

 

[Touken]

All you gotta do is wait for feats.

He hasn't had his time to shine yet.

 

[6pathofpain]

lol tobiramam invents jutsu' and several others do it better than him

Why don't we be real. Naruto can use clones better solely because of 9 tails, not a luxury tobirama has. And nonsto's space time jutsu isn't better he just uses it on kunai's tobiramacould easily do that. And I would hope oro and kabuto can use Edo better than tobirama seeing how tobirama labeled it a forbidden jutsu after making it and stopped experimenting with it and oro and kabuto were determined to push it to the limits.

 

[paratise]

Never Been stated that Tobirama is the best suiton user:

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Anbu praised him for creating water wo source that's all.

Tobirama is not better neither in feats nor hype as some claim.

 

[6pathofpain]

Never Been stated that Tobirama is the best suiton user:

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Anbu praised him for creating water wo source that's all.

Tobirama is not better neither in feats nor hype as some claim.

Something kisame can't do without spitting it out his mouth. I think that's a pretty serious feat.

 

[tyltyl]

I agree. Kishi suggests Tobirama is a better Suiton User, but from what I've seen, Kisame hands down.

Amen my friend!

 

[Optimistic]

Kisame > Tobirama

The white haired dead man is overrated by tards he ain't all that.

Something kisame can't do without spitting it out his mouth. I think that's a pretty serious feat.

Tobirama used the water from his Suiton: Suijinheki, so basically Tobirama used a water source which all suiton users can do.
Tobirama needs to use his mouth if there's no suiton around and guess what, a 30% Kisame can create a lake in a dry area.

 

[regii sanguinis]

I think, the reason why Tobirama was hailed as the greatest suiton user is because of his mastery of the element. As shown in the manga, in using suiton jutsus, particularly on areas without large bodies of water to manipulate, the user can convert their chakra into water and use it for their suiton jutsus..

Kisame is without doubt unsurpassed in the amount of water he can produced, in fact, he can even create a small lake in a desert.. his suitons are also unique, with chakra absorbing properties.. In terms of the the voulume of water produce, kisame is clearly on the top.. this is mostly due to the fact that he has immense chakra..

Mei on the other hand, relies more on skill and manipulation rather on that volume of water produced.. When she the 5 kages fought Madara, Mei countered Madara's katon jutsu by using a water wall (remember, it took a great number of regular shinobis to counter Madara's single katon attack alone) and then using a single hand seal, she converted the defensive water wall to a offensive water dragon missile.. Such feat needs such skill to perform..

Now, for Tobirama, he can create a decent amount of water using his chakra, probably equal or even greater than Mei, but his skill in a whole new level compared to the later two.. Unlike Kisame and Mei who constantly expel water converted from their chakra, Tobirama has the ability to utilize the water molecules in the air the came from his previous suiton jutsu and use it again and again.. no suiton user has displayed such feat since.. this is probably why Tobirama was hailed as the greatest suiton user.. not because of volume of the medium used, but rather on the skill and mastery on how the medium was used..

 

[paratise]

Something kisame can't do without spitting it out his mouth. I think that's a pretty serious feat.

30% Kisame created an aquatic shockwave and filled the Area:

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[salamander uchiha]

Thats stupid obviously the best suiton user would be from the land of water. I think the tibirama hype is best understood outside of the land of water the best water user is tobirama