[VS] Tobirama and Hashirama vs Madara and Nagato

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Lol.. Shinra tensei was able to destroy a village.
Chibaku tensei range [ ]
then there is madara who can do this [ ]

Massive AoE doesn't translate into massive damage dealt to the target. Go look at Tenpenchii, it carved out the entire battlefield they were fighting on yet Cloaked Fodder took zero damage from it.

We've already seen that CT can be smashed before it gets too large.

Lol @ this guy, thinking that a PS slash will have any place against Shinsuusenju....Mokuryu caught PS's arm. Mokuton Hotei caught PS's blade, and you think that this slash will even be used against a titanic statue with hundreds of arms? Smh.




OT: Hashirama would probably win by himself since Tobirama is no help here.

-Madara can only compete with Hashirama until Shinsuusenju is used, once it is PS stands absolutely no chance of harming it. The only thing it can do is sit there under the barrage of fists as it gets destroyed and Madara gets smashed. The same would happen to Nagato is he decides to stay inside the PS with Madara.

-Animal summons=Non factor.

-Preta Path=Non factor.

-Naraka, Human, Asura=Non factors.

The only thing that matters in Nagato's arsenal is the Deva Path, and Hashirama can handle both techniques. Even Perfect Susanoo's offensive and defensive capabilities are rendered moot against the Buddha since PS is far too weak to even phase it, and the Buddha can rain its fists down on Madara as long as it likes...or, as long as he manages to stay alive.

This is a jutsu that can contain tailed beasts, pain even said he can make bigger ones.

lmao, it could contain Bijuu, big whoop. Shinsuusenju is far larger than any Bijuu, its physically stronger than any Bijuu by far. (Unless you think they can all lift Full Kurama up with no effort) Being able to hold Bijuu doesn't matter.
 
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Talking about Chou Shinra Tensei there, not Chibaku Tensei.

"just wood", no, they're much, much durable than trees. I shouldn't even have to bring up feats to support that statement. Like I've said before, he aims Shinsuusenju up and starts pummeling it.


If he can't sense them then he just puts them all to sleep with FTW considering it's pretty much omnidirectional.

Keep on laughing pal. [ ]

he cant pummel it if the hands are being drawn by it,let someone pull your hands in one direction,then try to punch while he is pulling you and see how it goes. The budha cant punch as all the hands are being drawn at once and ripped apart,it cant generate any kind of force to punch with.

Nagato is a sensor,and both sharingan and rinnegan can see chakra,preta path would just absorb all pollen around him,a few missiles will destroy the flowers.

Wood dragon will only take effect if it encircles nagato first,Nagato can just put up a preta orb,when it touches it,it gets absorbed,or nagato can just blast it aside with asura,or have gedo stomp it.

Massive AoE doesn't translate into massive damage dealt to the target. Go look at Tenpenchii, it carved out the entire battlefield they were fighting on yet Cloaked Fodder took zero damage from it.

We've already seen that CT can be smashed before it gets too large.

Lol @ this guy, thinking that a PS slash will have any place against Shinsuusenju....Mokuryu caught PS's arm. Mokuton Hotei caught PS's blade, and you think that this slash will even be used against a titanic statue with hundreds of arms? Smh.




OT: Hashirama would probably win by himself since Tobirama is no help here.

-Madara can only compete with Hashirama until Shinsuusenju is used, once it is PS stands absolutely no chance of harming it. The only thing it can do is sit there under the barrage of fists as it gets destroyed and Madara gets smashed. The same would happen to Nagato is he decides to stay inside the PS with Madara.

-Animal summons=Non factor.

-Preta Path=Non factor.

-Naraka, Human, Asura=Non factors.

The only thing that matters in Nagato's arsenal is the Deva Path, and Hashirama can handle both techniques. Even Perfect Susanoo's offensive and defensive capabilities are rendered moot against the Buddha since PS is far too weak to even phase it, and the Buddha can rain its fists down on Madara as long as it likes...or, as long as he manages to stay alive.



lmao, it could contain Bijuu, big whoop. Shinsuusenju is far larger than any Bijuu, its physically stronger than any Bijuu by far. (Unless you think they can all lift Full Kurama up with no effort) Being able to hold Bijuu doesn't matter.

unlike tenpanhchii,Nagato can translate that dama effect to one target by focusing it on the budha only,oh and the village busting one was from pain,Nagato's will be far,far stronger.

Yea CT can be busted,unfortunately hashirama has no ling range techs,the budha itself will already be getting ripped apart from it's hands down,and you are assuming Nagato would throw the orb near the budha,he could just throw it at a suitable distance from the budha.

Nagato could again use basho tenin on hashirama while he is on the budha,then blast him with asura missiles.

Asura path= no wood gets close to him
human naraka path=hashi gets raped cqc,
deva preta= ninjutsu useless.
Animal path=multiplying dog and invincible chamelion with a flying bird,non factors?yea...no.

It's not gonna suck the budha up at once now is it?,,
 

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I don't see Tobirama as factor. Restrict Shinsuusenju and second team wins comfortably.​
 

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unlike tenpanhchii,Nagato can translate that dama effect to one target by focusing it on the budha only,oh and the village busting one was from pain,Nagato's will be far,far stronger.

Focusing an attack won't let it go from creating a large crater, but being unable to kill Katsuyu protected fodder, to smashing something that can take 12 Bijuu Dama Blades and still have its main body intact.

Nagato actively poured his full power into that attack, its not getting any stronger even if used from his main body.

Yea CT can be busted,unfortunately hashirama has no ling range techs,the budha itself will already be getting ripped apart from it's hands down,and you are assuming Nagato would throw the orb near the budha,he could just throw it at a suitable distance from the budha.

Except.......Buddha won't get ripped apart as its not as weak as trees. Unless you have proof for your claim that the gravitational force will be strong enough to do so, its a moot point.

He doesn't need long range techniques to smash a technique that is literally drawing him toward it.


Nagato could again use basho tenin on hashirama while he is on the budha,then blast him with asura missiles.
Evidence that Bansho Tennin's range extends that far.


Asura path= no wood gets close to him
It can't destroy any of the Mokuton that will matter against Nagato.


human naraka path=hashi gets raped cqc,
CQC is irrelevant in this fight anyway.

deva preta= ninjutsu useless.
Deva won't make Ninjutsu useless, nor can Preta even absorb Mokuton.

Animal path=multiplying dog and invincible chamelion with a flying bird,non factors?yea...no.
Can they hinder Hashirama in the slightest?

No.

So they are non factors. If he calls his little animal summons, the man who can handle Bijuu with ease swats them like flies. The Cerberus is just a big fly compared to Hashirama, and once it gets smacked and smacked and smacked around, it'll keep dividing, meaning it gets weaker, so yes, its useless.

It's not gonna suck the budha up at once now is it?,,

Yes, it is. You saying it ripped apart trees doesn't mean the Gravitational force will be enough to rip apart Mokuton. Get evidence for your claim then come back.
 

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Team Two Wins mid difference.
 

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team 1 because Tobirama, that's why
 

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Focusing an attack won't let it go from creating a large crater, but being unable to kill Katsuyu protected fodder, to smashing something that can take 12 Bijuu Dama Blades and still have its main body intact.

Nagato actively poured his full power into that attack, its not getting any stronger even if used from his main body.



Except.......Buddha won't get ripped apart as its not as weak as trees. Unless you have proof for your claim that the gravitational force will be strong enough to do so, its a moot point.

He doesn't need long range techniques to smash a technique that is literally drawing him toward it.



Evidence that Bansho Tennin's range extends that far.



It can't destroy any of the Mokuton that will matter against Nagato.



CQC is irrelevant in this fight anyway.


Deva won't make Ninjutsu useless, nor can Preta even absorb Mokuton.


Can they hinder Hashirama in the slightest?

No.

So they are non factors. If he calls his little animal summons, the man who can handle Bijuu with ease swats them like flies. The Cerberus is just a big fly compared to Hashirama, and once it gets smacked and smacked and smacked around, it'll keep dividing, meaning it gets weaker, so yes, its useless.



Yes, it is. You saying it ripped apart trees doesn't mean the Gravitational force will be enough to rip apart Mokuton. Get evidence for your claim then come back.

actually it will. The fodders were not at the epicenter of the blast,nor was anythingleft alive or standing at/the epicenter,i dont need to explain why katsuya is highly immune to physical attacks,nevertheless,no katsuya clones were the epicenter alive,thats what mtters,hashirama is at the focus of the attack. Those bijudamas didnt explode,they cut right through and kept ongoing,they are not the same attck anyway.

I dont know what you mean by it being durable enough not to get ripped. However,the only things that dont get ripped apart are the ones that nagato wishes to capture,everything else gets ripped apart easily,be it mountainor a tree. Mountains are more durable thn trees,that didnt help them. The burdenof proof is on you,everything aside from the people he wants to capture are ripped apart,same for the budha. By the time it pulls the budha close,all the arms or at least good portion would be gone,the budha cant even attck even in range,because all its arms are being pulled,it wont even generate enough force to do anything.try gtting someone to pull your arms nd then try to punch while your arms are being pulled,not quite possible is it?. Thus budha is useless.

Evidence that basho extends that far?,how bout nagato pulling doen meteor to smash into naruto?,ngato caneven us asura to flyhhigher,or hve a bird fly him up,or sumon gedo and stay on it. This pointis ridiculous. Madara had no prbblem hearing and talking to hashirama without hashirma needing yo evem shout,so hashirama isnt that far off anyway.

Nagtos chakra blasts will decimate any tree. Sve the wood structures.

Deva path repels any wood jutsu one froma weakened deva was strong enough to repel 3 bijuu sized toads a very far distance one from nagto will do much worse,preta absorbs any moukton,moukton is a chakra based ninjutsu,pret absorb it,simple.

Whether it comes down to cqc or not dosent matter,if it does hashi gets raped,thus they are not useless.

Hmm lets see,chamelion can hide nagto so that he can blindside hashirama and kill him,while hashirama has no idea whre he is,bird that can fly nagto while he spams his rinnegan,dog tanks any physical attck fromhashiram and multiplies. Who says the dog gets weaker anyway?,ive never seen that?,how about you show someproof?. Even if it gets weaker,it will still keep tanking everything physical from hashi,allowing a greater vision for nagato too allowinng him to see the entire field,this is assuming they get weaker. So yea,they are pretty deadly.

Anyway,wont be able to reply for a while
 

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PS coated Gedou Mazou. GG.
 

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hashirama wins nagato is little to nothing before him

@Kidgamer ps is a match for SS it tore its arm apart and even after being pumbled to pieces and bijuu dama explosions ps wasit destroyed it only faded because madara jump off kurama's head
 

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Tobirama a non factor? .-.
 

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hashirama wins nagato is little to nothing before him

@Kidgamer ps is a match for SS it tore its arm apart and even after being pumbled to pieces and bijuu dama explosions ps wasit destroyed it only faded because madara jump off kurama's head

Actually false on that.
It tore down few of SS's arms with 20+ blades... And also, Madara before he jumped was the one to stated the PS was stripped away/destroyed..
 

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I like how everyone is quick to discredit Tobirama
 

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Sorry, but Tobirama isn't in the same league as these 3. And I'm 100% genuine now - no hating.

oh please don't kid yourself. As far as league goes.. Nagato is the only one not in their league.

Hashirama is in his own league.
Madara and Tobirama are in the same league
Nagato is a league or 2 below
 

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oh please don't kid yourself. As far as league goes.. Nagato is the only one not in their league.

Hashirama is in his own league.
Madara and Tobirama are in the same league
Nagato is a league or 2 below

I'm not even starting a discussion with you, since you're one of the biggest trolls/idiots (pick one) on this base.
 
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