Tobi was using his MS, but Kishi was hiding it

[Floydical]

People seem to think Obito was capable of a large amount of feats that only required his 3 tomoe and not his actual MS. The truth is, however, that every important scenario we see Obito (as Tobi) using his 3 tomoe, it can be argued that he was actually using MS the whole time but kishi did not show it as it would give away his identity as Obito. Think about it, Obito's MS would be too identifiable as its the same as Kakashi's, so it was absolutely imperative that Kishi not show it.

Don't believe me? Here is the prime example of Obito using his phasing ability with only 3 tomoe.

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See the paper bomb piercing his mask? This should not be possible without MS active. Yet, Kishi made it possible because he does not want to give away Tobi's identity. He is clearly using phasing, which requires MS to be active, but its not shown. The only conclusion we can then draw is that every scenario that Obito is shown using 3 tomoe, he could actually be using MS and its not being shown.

For example, in the following scenarios, Tobi is likely using MS to manipulate via genjutsu, but only 3 tomoe is being shown in order to preserve his identity. The beasts' eyes fall into this category. He's actually using MS to control them, but its not shown in order to keep his identity hidden.

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In Kurama's case, its possible the change is eye we are seeing (dilation) is evidence of the pattern changing from 3 tomoe to MS, more evidence that MS was being used, but hidden from our site.

Lastly, remember the conversation between Sasuke and Itachi about MS and controlling beasts? It was well known that MS was required to do so, so this only adds to the evidence that Obito was using MS but it was being hidden from our site.

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One might call this a mangafact too.

 

[Gerkak]

I agree with all except the bijuu control one.

Madara whom we knew how his MS looked like at the time was shown to take control of the kyuubi with 3T as well

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[Red Slayer]

I agree with all except the bijuu control one.

Madara whom we knew how his MS looked like at the time was shown to take control of the kyuubi with 3T as well

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Ya and also Madara used EMS jutsu w/o eyes lol

OT: I agree Kishi was definitely hiding Obito's MS

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

i think Kishi simply wrote himself into a corner

 

[Floydical]

I agree with all except the bijuu control one.

Madara whom we knew how his MS looked like at the time was shown to take control of the kyuubi with 3T as well

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That's a very good point, but I think the evidence is still strong he hid Obito's MS. This scan could have been used to justify the others regarding Obito doing the same without MS. Again, I think the evidence is still strong Obito was actually using MS to do it.

 

[Gerkak]

That's a very good point, but I think the evidence is still strong he hid Obito's MS. This scan could have been used to justify the others regarding Obito doing the same without MS. Again, I think the evidence is still strong Obito was actually using MS to do it.

Yeah I agreed that kishi was hiding the MS but we can't assume that obito must have been using MS to control the bijuu

 

[SUPERDEADLYKING]

that is correct XD

 

[Angelic.]

tobidara has no ms

 

[ROHAN]

That's a very good point, but I think the evidence is still strong he hid Obito's MS. This scan could have been used to justify the others regarding Obito doing the same without MS. Again, I think the evidence is still strong Obito was actually using MS to do it.

Or perhaps his eye transformation to MS was not shown in the manga ? Cause his eye is strained in that panel which happens when you go from three tomoe to MS.

 

[Berserker]

True...

 

[deadp00l]

I agree with all except the bijuu control one.

Madara whom we knew how his MS looked like at the time was shown to take control of the kyuubi with 3T as well

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Or it's madara preparing to activate ms and the flashback cuts off

 

[VongolaX]

The second scan is him using the power of Gedo mazou rods/chain to strengthen his 3 tomoe genjustu.

Those feats he pulled off can't be done by any ordinary 3 tomoe or MS genjustu.

I know this is in response to my thread.

 

[Floydical]

Yeah I agreed that kishi was hiding the MS but we can't assume that obito must have been using MS to control the bijuu

Or perhaps his eye transformation to MS was not shown in the manga ? Cause his eye is strained in that panel which happens when you go from three tomoe to MS.

Or it's madara preparing to activate ms and the flashback cuts off

I think this is the case actually. The biju seems to get controlled initially by 3 tomoe, but in both the scenario of Obito and Madara controlling the Kyuubi, the MS could have formed shortly after the panels showing the eye ended. In Obito's scenario, Kurama's 3 tomoe eye begins to dilate afterward, implying it could be shifting to MS. In Madara's case, as they said, he is straining and could form MS shortly after to keep the control.

The second scan is him using the power of Gedo mazou rods/chain to strengthen his 3 tomoe genjustu.

Those feats he pulled off can't be done by any ordinary 3 tomoe or MS genjustu.

I know this is in response to my thread.

Yes, your thread and the people responding to it inspired this thread. I was merely pointing out the pattern I saw, as I don't think I made my points clear when responding on that thread.

 

[Commander Axe]

Or it's madara preparing to activate ms and the flashback cu,ts off

This.

 

[VongolaX]

I think this is the case actually. The biju seems to get controlled initially by 3 tomoe, but in both the scenario of Obito and Madara controlling the Kyuubi, the MS could have formed shortly after the panels showing the eye ended. In Obito's scenario, Kurama's 3 tomoe eye begins to dilate afterward, implying it could be shifting to MS. In Madara's case, as they said, he is straining and could form MS shortly after to keep the control.



Yes, your thread and the people responding to it inspired this thread. I was merely pointing out the pattern I saw, as I don't think I made my points clear when responding on that thread.

Go look back at my response, you might find something interesting

 

[minamoto]

this OP should be taught a Tobidara lesson on how to stop posting Bobito BSs

 

[Floydical]

Go look back at my response, you might find something interesting

Thank you for that.

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As Vongola points out in this image, even when having EMS active, Kurama is shown with 3 tomoe. Now one might call it a manga mistake, but this shows evidence of a Biju showing 3 tomoe when being controlled by an EMS. At the very least, this could explain how Obito could have been controlling the 5 tails with his MS, while only showing 3 tomoe on its eyes.

 

[Blue or gold dress]

Minamoto is completely right.

 

[Nick01]

Another one of the Kishi's loop holes.

 

[Demonic.]

Obviously...