Tobi vs Kakashi and Gai

[Wolfang714]

Tobmiester takes it

 

[TobisPawn]

guy even saids him and kakashi made strategies and counters for all of peins attacks...

And how about S/T techs? And I doubt they'd be able to counter all Rinnegan techs in one body.

 

[Joki]

I'm surprised at all the people who think Tobi wins.

Tobi already was fooled by 2 ROOT members and lost an arm, he has literally no physical power by himself and with 2 people against him they can easily make a plan and get hits in. He has a limit to his intangibility, when it runs out he's screwed. Kakashi and Gai, 2 veery high Jonin or Kage level ninjas should easily be able to beat Tobi alone.

Kakashi's intelligence formulated plans with other people's jutsu that he didn't even know about, using bunshin feints is also a thing of his and coupled with Gai they can easily get around Tobi's teleportation and win. They're both being severely underestimated here with what they're capable of.

 

[killer lee]

gai goes 8 gates and b4 tobi can suck his self up or activate izanagi guy morning tigers his head off kakshi then gains ems from his seeing his last friend die then puts on the mask to become kobe

 

[Eano]

Tobi fighting Gai would be epic cause Tobi could understimate his powers. Kakashis Kekkei genkai doesn't work on Tobi, and he has not that much chakra and higher level jutsus to counter Tobi's attacks... But even together - Tobi is still stronger.

 

[ComedyDaggers]

gai goes 8 gates and b4 tobi can suck his self up or activate izanagi guy morning tigers his head off kakshi then gains ems from his seeing his last friend die then puts on the mask to become kobe

lol kobe xd

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Tobi already was fooled by 2 ROOT members and lost an arm, he has literally no physical power by himself

OP didnt restrict rinnegan. we know kakashi was made a fool of by just god realm. tobi LET HIMSELF lose an arm, even ripping it off by his own hand and kicking it at fu.

he has literally no physical power

as i recall he stopped suigetsus sword by casually raising an arm

He has a limit to his intangibility, when it runs out he's screwed

how will they continually attack in that time without killing themselves? tobi teleports, goes intangible. teleports. goes intangible. he will run gai ragged.

they can easily get around Tobi's teleportation and win

how? only reason minato did is he was a tad faster due to flying rajin. only reason konan did is extensive studying and simulations on tobis power and ways for her to kill him.

guy even saids him and kakashi made strategies and counters for all of peins attacks...

they have not seen them all. namely soul removal and chibaku tensei

 

[Joki]

OP didnt restrict rinnegan. we know kakashi was made a fool of by just god realm. tobi LET HIMSELF lose an arm, even ripping it off by his own hand and kicking it at fu.

No. My point is that there are 2 people. Tobi has to solidify in order to attack/teleport and that's his only method of winning this fight. When that happens, either Kakashi or Gai can fight back.

as i recall he stopped suigetsus sword by casually raising an arm

If you wouldn't take phrases in mid-sentence out of context you would know that I meant fighting ability and jutsu in order to attack with

how will they continually attack in that time without killing themselves? tobi teleports, goes intangible. teleports. goes intangible. he will run gai ragged.

Okay, he stays intangible to avoid being hit by 2 kage level taijutsu users and their jutsu, let's see who will exhaust faster hmm? Second he goes tangible to attack then he's blasted by either Kakashi or Gai.

how? only reason minato did is he was a tad faster due to flying rajin. only reason konan did is extensive studying and simulations on tobis power and ways for her to kill him.

Because again, he has to go tangible to attack, they'll take advantage of it. It's much harder for someone like Minato so in turn a more impressive feat, he beat Tobi alone, when on a team it drastically increases the chances.

The ROOT members deduced this easily and managed to get the upper hand, what I'm saying is not that Tobi "let them" but the two are easily outclassed by both Kakashi and Gai alone, in intelligence alike. If they're able to deduce and work around Tobi's technique then so can Kakashi and Gai.

they have not seen them all. namely soul removal and chibaku tensei

Tobi has never showed any of his rinnegan techniques thus far, the OP said he doesn't get any rinnegan techniques IIRC, he said only use what we've seen of Tobi.

 

[TobisPawn]

No. My point is that there are 2 people. Tobi has to solidify in order to attack/teleport and that's his only method of winning this fight. When that happens, either Kakashi or Gai can fight back.

If you wouldn't take phrases in mid-sentence out of context you would know that I meant fighting ability and jutsu in order to attack with

Okay, he stays intangible to avoid being hit by 2 kage level taijutsu users and their jutsu, let's see who will exhaust faster hmm? Second he goes tangible to attack then he's blasted by either Kakashi or Gai.


Because again, he has to go tangible to attack, they'll take advantage of it. It's much harder for someone like Minato so in turn a more impressive feat, he beat Tobi alone, when on a team it drastically increases the chances.

The ROOT members deduced this easily and managed to get the upper hand, what I'm saying is not that Tobi "let them" but the two are easily outclassed by both Kakashi and Gai alone, in intelligence alike. If they're able to deduce and work around Tobi's technique then so can Kakashi and Gai.

Tobi has never showed any of his rinnegan techniques thus far, the OP said he doesn't get any rinnegan techniques IIRC, he said only use what we've seen of Tobi.

How do they counter Chibaku Tensei? Or his S/T techs? Way to make Tobi's S/T look like a jutsu that can be countered by anyone.

 

[darthvader5666]

Tobi rapes. Hell, Nagato should be able to beat them. Hell, even Itachi could probably beat them, or at least give them a hell of a fight.

 

[Joki]

How do they counter Chibaku Tensei? Or his S/T techs? Way to make Tobi's S/T look like a jutsu that can be countered by anyone.

Again, the OP said only use things that we've seen Tobi himself use, I haven't seen him use Chibaku Tensei before. His S/T can't be countered by anyone, it can be countered with good teamwork a good strategy and high leveled shinobi, Gai and Kakashi are on a team and fit the requirements to get around his technique, just like the 2 Root members did.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Tobi has to solidify in order to attack/teleport and that's his only method of winning this fight.

since when?

Second he goes tangible to attack then he's blasted by either Kakashi or Gai

how will they do that? 7 gates wont last forever

Because again, he has to go tangible to attack, they'll take advantage of it.

yeah "tobis tangible! hes...slightly less invincible! yay!"

he beat Tobi alone, when on a team it drastically increases the chances.

not when said team are weaklings. minato was one of if not the strongest hokage in history

If they're able to deduce and work around Tobi's technique then so can Kakashi and Gai.

they never did work around it. they lost. hard.

Tobi has never showed any of his rinnegan techniques thus far,

gedo mazo statue, chakra chains, chakra rods in the bijuus are all rinnegan techs. and tobi said he can use human path

 

[Joki]

since when?

...since forever, where have you been? That's how every person who fought him got around his technique. "Oh, he has to solidify to warp us, let's attack him while he's trying to touch us"

how will they do that? 7 gates wont last forever

Implying they need 7 gates to get a hit in when Tobi's only form of winning is to warp them away.

yeah "tobis tangible! hes...slightly less invincible! yay!"

Actually when intangible attack s go through him so being tangible means..you know, he can be hit?

not when said team are weaklings. minato was one of if not the strongest hokage in history

Yeah, and he did it solo so it's a testament to his power, on a team the mechanics behind his tech is much easier to exploit, this is literally proven fact in the manga and said on-screen. If you think kakashi and Gai are "weaklings" then we're not reading the same manga and I understand why you think Tobi wins then.

they never did work around it. they lost. hard.

Point not understood, apparently. Again, if the 2 Root members were able to deduce and learn how to fight against his intangibility, 2 top tier shinobi who are far smarter and better in just about every category than the two will be able to exploit his weakness much easier.

gedo mazo statue, chakra chains, chakra rods in the bijuus are all rinnegan techs. and tobi said he can use human path

The Bijuu are banned, if he can summon Gedo Mazo then he wins but I was under the impression that was banned as well

That's just great, in fact that works even better than his "warping", if he touches one of them in order to use human path, he solidifies and thus he gets hit with Kamui and dies.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

tobi still has the rinnegan.. he wins

 

[-Vegeta-]

Tobi low-mid difficulty. Teleportation, phasing, dimension teleporting, and rinnegan powers are way too much for Kakashi and Guy.

 

[killer lee]

no u didnt read my post he will turn to KOBE

 

[TobisPawn]

Again, the OP said only use things that we've seen Tobi himself use, I haven't seen him use Chibaku Tensei before. His S/T can't be countered by anyone, it can be countered with good teamwork a good strategy and high leveled shinobi, Gai and Kakashi are on a team and fit the requirements to get around his technique, just like the 2 Root members did.

The root members didn't counter his S/T techs. He purposefully injured his arm to absorb one of them. And OP didn't restrict any Rinnegan techs. What makes you think Tobi can't use them?

Kakashi and Guy have no way to counter his S/T techs. The only one to successfully do so was Minato, with another S/T tech.

You act like being tangible makes someone suck shit. So by that, Kakashi and Guy suck shit, right? -__- Rinnegan + S/T techs make him almost invincible.

 

[Joki]

The root members didn't counter his S/T techs. He purposefully injured his arm to absorb one of them. And OP didn't restrict any Rinnegan techs. What makes you think Tobi can't use them?

Kakashi and Guy have no way to counter his S/T techs. The only one to successfully do so was Minato, with another S/T tech.

You act like being tangible makes someone suck shit. So by that, Kakashi and Guy suck shit, right? -__- Rinnegan + S/T techs make him almost invincible.

No, I mean Tobi has no way to hurt the two except by warping them. Tangible is physical, two people on a team is more useful than you might think. Tobi has to solidify to be attacked. It doesn't mean you "suck shit" but when Tobi who has no way to defend himself turns tangible to warp something he's going to be hit with Raikiri or similar. This is why he stays intangible all the time.

It's not only because he's tangible, it's because he has no other offensive tactics than warping and he has to stay still and touch someone to warp them. That's why Kakashi and Gai saved Naruto because he had to solidify to warp Naruto, if he stayed in place he'd have been hit. Teamwork prevaisl in this fight.

Like I said before, if Tobi has every rinnegan technique we've seen Nagato use from the eyes then that's fine, he's "Nagato plus one", but the OP posted repeatedly in the thread and said "use only what we've seen from him" so he doesn't get a huge majority of rinnegan techs bar Human Path.

 

[home]

tobi of course

 

[FloriGlori]

Even without any Rinnegan techniques Tobi would win this.

His Sharingan and the stick he used to stab Konan are enough.