[Spoilers] Tobi used Obito's right eye to revert Kakashi's Kamui

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perhaps its [possible that the eye wasnt completely crushed? i mean, that half of his head wasnt completely crushed otherwise Obito was insta-dead. which he wasnt, he still talked a bit after. and u guys need to stop using logic where anything can really happen in a fictional world.
 

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perhaps its [possible that the eye wasnt completely crushed? i mean, that half of his head wasnt completely crushed otherwise Obito was insta-dead. which he wasnt, he still talked a bit after. and u guys need to stop using logic where anything can really happen in a fictional world.

This ^^^^^

It a rock had enough force to crush the socket (which would be required to crush the eye), it would be unlikely for the rock to stop when it reaches the brain. Obito was still conscious. Perhaps just his body was crushed, and not his head.
 

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Next week: Obito revealed XDDD
 

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I’m pretty sure when Kakashi tried to use Kamui on Mazou and it didn’t work and he said “Don’t tell me”, he meant that Tobi had used Obito’s right eye to revert Kakashi’s Kamui with another Kamui.

That’s why Tobi can teleport, and that’s the reason he said “Don even try Kakashi” then he was about to use Kamui on Tobi after the fight between Sasuke and Naruto, because both of them have the same eyes from Obito.

(This doesn't mean he is Obito, just he has his right eye, and Kakashi has the left one)

I don't think you need to have Obito's eye, or Obito's father's eye, or any eyes from people related to Obito.

Let's do a thought experiment here. How many Uchiha were there, at the peak? A hundred? A few hundred? A thousand? Let's take the smallest number and suggest it was one hundred Uchiha alive at their peak. And of them, how many would be capable of unlocking an MS eye, if they knew the secret? All of them? Half? One tenth? Let's go with the smallest number. So that's 10 Uchiha alive per generation capable of using MS techniques.

So here's the question: Does each family get their own unique set of MS abilities? What's the limit?

So if techniques are similar depending on family relationship, and if we say that there's an average of two children per family (and unlocking MS is hereditary) then there are 5 Uchiha families with MS, which means 5 sets of techniques that can be used.

So Itachi and Sasuke got the big three: Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo.

Obito's eyes clearly have Kamui but no other techniques (or, Kakashi hasn't used them, or doesn't know how).

Shisui's eye had Kotoamatsukiomi, but no other techniques that we've seen.

Madara, who we have to assume is related to Sasuke and Itachi in some way because of this logic, has Susanoo (but hasn't used Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi yet).

Tobi is using some weird Space/Time jutsu which seems pretty clearly related to Kamui in either size or scope. Does this mean Tobi is related to Obito some way?

So even using the smallest numbers I can reasonably estimate, we still have 5 different sets of MS techniques possible (assuming each family gets a unique set), but in the manga we've only seen three. And besides Kotoamatsukami, these three sets of MS techniques appear to be reused between people with no obvious relationships.

The really weird thing is that Shisui, who was regarded as an extremely powerful and capable ninja, only seemed to have one MS technique that he could only use once every 10 years. This means that Shisui couldn't also use things like Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi? Even though Shishi was known for his prowess with genjutsu, and Tsukuyomi is one of the most powerful general-use genjutsus in existence? It doesn't make any sense that Shisui would only have had one MS technique that was so limited, because Shisui was such a gifted and intelligent warrior.

Let's also look at things from the perspective of the techniques themselves:

Amaterasu: Described as an ultimate, unblockable, unstoppable ninjutsu
Tsukuyomi: Described as an ultimate genjutsu, able to distort the victims very notions of time and space
Kamui (including Tobi's version): Has been described as the most powerful and general-purpose space/time jutsu. Kakashi, the copy ninja with thousands of techniques, treats this like his most powerful technique. Tobi uses it as almost his only battle technique and is using it to fight off four of the most powerful ninja in the alliance at the same time.
Susanoo: Described as an ultimate defense by Sasuke, but also has offensive capabilities described by Madara as being in a class of it's own (perhaps only rivaled by the power of the Bijuu).
Kotoamatsukami: Also described as an ultimate genjutsu. It's effects are more powerful and more subtle than Tsukuyomi, but it can be used less.

So if we assume that the MS eye enables the use of various ultimate techniques, how many "ultimates" can their possibly be? We already have ultimate techniques in the areas of offensive ninjutsu, genjutsu, space/time jutsu and whatever category Susanoo falls into. If there are, by our estimates above, at least two more sets of techniques available to MS users, what other ultimates would they be? Ultimate taijutsu? Ultimate medical jutsu? These things don't seem like they would be eye techniques.

By power of elimination, there really aren't any other areas where there could be ultimate, non-elemental, eye-enabled jutsu. This means that these five techniques listed above, with some variations, are probably the only MS techniques there are. That means that ninja who aren't related to each other, given enough MS users MUST overlap techniques at some point, because there are limited numbers of techniques.

Madara's Susanoo clearly overlaps with Sasuke and Itachi, but they don't seem to be related (considering it was within less than 70 years since Madara died, Sasuke and/or Itachi might have recognized him as being a grandfather or even great-grandfather).

Tobi's space/time technique clearly seems to overlap with Kakashi/Obito's Kamui, but there's no evidence that they are related either.
 

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lmao all those haters that were like "no just no" or "your stupid for believing that" i bet they all feel like fruitcakes right now.
 

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lmao all those haters that were like "no just no" or "your stupid for believing that" i bet they all feel like fruitcakes right now.

Lol, I remember saying no to this thread last week because of the whole "his eye got squished" thing. I guess Kishimoto can squish things and then say they didn't really get squished xd It's his story.
 

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about tobi not using a MS eye to use his s/t jutsu. What if he was only pulling a Danzo by having third eye somewhere ?! I mean this doesn't so farfetched to me when you think about it, his mask does have 3 tomoes on it with a rinnegan pattern, this could be some clue !
 
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+Rep to the original poster. Read your post last week decided to hold my options until confirmation. Funny how people disagreed then brought fictional arguments with unconfirmed facts to try and debunk your theory. Great work.
 

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kakashi sent the Mazou to the other univers, so seeing that they share the same univers.
It wasn't really that hard to reverse it, like tobi does with his body all the time.
and i agree with about the part of tobi not being Obito.
 
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But think about it. If Tobi obtained Obito's eye, it means that that giant rock didn't crush it even though it should have. That means Obito used Kamui at that moment and saved his eye and most likely, the rest of his body. That could mean Tobi is in fact Obito.
 

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But think about it. If Tobi obtained Obito's eye, it means that that giant rock didn't crush it even though it should have. That means Obito used Kamui at that moment and saved his eye and most likely, the rest of his body. That could mean Tobi is in fact Obito.

OMFG do ppl even think before posting crap all over the place ? The kid (Obito) JUST awakened his sharigan, you expect him to awaken MS in the same god damn hour ?
 

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I hate how people who dont even know themselves act like others are idiots for posting a theory.

Ok so how could Obito awaken MS shortly after awakening his Sharingan....well its not that hard to work out. The MS is awoken through great trauma, one easy way of doing it is to kill your best friend. But perhaps the thought of dying and never seeing your friends again is enough too.
Also Madara awakened the Rinnegan in a similar way during his fight with the first, shortly before dying.

Im not saying its what happened but it does fit into the Naruto Universe given what weve been told already. Can ppl stop being so god damn arrogant/ignorant, you put people down without even taking into account the previous history of the manga you claim to be some kind of expert on.

Also the evidence that Tobi 'could' be Obito is stacking up, so can people also stop instantly debuffing peoples theories. God knows if it turns out to be true you'll just whine or completely act like you werent one of those arrogant fools.
 

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I am not denying anything. Only the theory that he awakened the MS the same day. Sorry not happening. Obito was a stupid ninja and had a hell of time in awakening 2 tomoe sharingan. So, no its impossible. Its like saying the ramen guy is s06p. And the sad thing is, ramen guy theory was made as a joke and you guys are serious on this same day MS.
 

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I am not denying anything. Only the theory that he awakened the MS the same day. Sorry not happening. Obito was a stupid ninja and had a hell of time in awakening 2 tomoe sharingan. So, no its impossible. Its like saying the ramen guy is s06p. And the sad thing is, ramen guy theory was made as a joke and you guys are serious on this same day MS.

Your a fool

your not denying 'anything' but you are denying one thing. Nice

MS isnt awakened through intelligence its based on emotion

Ramen Guy being SO6P is just a follower based joke, we all know its a joke its just amusing to say it anyway. Its kind of an unspoken truth, we all know he isnt dumbass

Obito obtaining MS isnt as stupid as Ramen Guy being SO6P because Obito is an Uchiha and has the potential. Saying something like Minato awoke MS would be the same as saying Ramen Guy is SO6P because its impossible.

Dont feel you need to respond to this, anything you type would just be trash anyway
 

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Your a fool

your not denying 'anything' but you are denying one thing. Nice

MS isnt awakened through intelligence its based on emotion

Ramen Guy being SO6P is just a follower based joke, we all know its a joke its just amusing to say it anyway. Its kind of an unspoken truth, we all know he isnt dumbass

Obito obtaining MS isnt as stupid as Ramen Guy being SO6P because Obito is an Uchiha and has the potential. Saying something like Minato awoke MS would be the same as saying Ramen Guy is SO6P because its impossible.

Dont feel you need to respond to this, anything you type would just be trash anyway

Ever heard of the expression - "nothing but" ?? Ya ... I meant the same thing.

Obito awakening MS the same day along with basic sharingan is less plausible than ramen guy being S06P.

Stop being a douche and read my posts 2-3 times than you will understand my analogies.

That is all. I wont waste my time anymore on this retarded theory. Not worth it.
 

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Ever heard of the expression - "nothing but" ?? Ya ... I meant the same thing.

Obito awakening MS the same day along with basic sharingan is less plausible than ramen guy being S06P.

Stop being a douche and read my posts 2-3 times than you will understand my analogies.

That is all. I wont waste my time anymore on this retarded theory. Not worth it.

Ive heard of it, its just not appropriate given the situation.

Your a fool

Its not about understanding them, your just not smart enough to come up with a relevant one.

Probably for the best, like many people on this forum your incapable of bringing anything helpful to the table.
 

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If you think the theory that he awakened MS the same day is smart then, I am sorry I am happy being stupid.

ROFL
 

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If you think the theory that he awakened MS the same day is smart then, I am sorry I am happy being stupid.

ROFL

Its important to be happy with who you are, even if that person is an idiot.

Glad this is all resolved.
 

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This goes both ways ;)

You cant even differentiate between smart / stupid theories. Whos the bigger retard ?
 
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