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What if... Kagami Uchiha was Tobi
I wonder if the fellow pupil of Hiruzen Sarutobi and Danzo Shimura, Kagami Uchiha (seen in the last thoughts of Danzo, after his battle with Sasuke) could be Tobi (Madara Uchiha)? Since i doubt very strongly that Tobi is actually Madara! I have found a couple of pages from the manga which support my theory:

In the following page, the Tsuchikage makes reference to Madara's ''Mooneye Operation'' to be alot like what Danzo's idea of the Shinobi World is... i believe that Madara and Danzo think alike for their respective plans because they were fellow pupils, and Kagami seemed to be in Danzo's three-man cell rather than Sarutobi's... which explains why they think alike!


Here, we see the three-man cells of both Sarutobi and Danzo. As I said up above, i believe Kagami Uchiha and Akimichi Torifu were in Danzo's squad, under the 2nd Hokage, like Sarutobi's squad.


I found this other page while re-reading the fight between Madara and Minato during Naruto's birth and the Kyubi attack of 16 years ago. After their ''Battle of Speed'', Minato describes Madara's space-time ninjutsu to be better than his own space-time ninjutsu and even the 2nd Hokage's, Nidaime Hokage. And it might just be me forgeting stuff, but wasn't that the first and only time someone spoke of the Nidaime Hokage to have had space-time ninjutsu?? And if he did, then it explains that he could have tought one of his students the space-time ninjutsu techniques! Furthermore, Masashi Kishimoto seems to like making the students become stronger than their master in this series (Orochimaru and Sarutobi, Sasuke and Kakashi, Naruto and Jiraiya, Shikamaru and Asuma...) so it makes sense that the student of the 2nd Hokage could have developped space-time ninjutsus even better than his master.


I have no page to support my following argument, but it makes sense anwyays, you'll see!
Kishimoto told on many sites that the name of the 2nd Hokage (Nidaime) was Tobirama Senju... and alot of people, including me, think that the name Madara Uchiha used, ''Tobi'', could have been in reference to Tobirama Senju, the 2nd Hokage. Now, I think this is very probable because if Kagami Uchiha studied under him, than it is indeed a strong possibility that he would've taken a nickname from his old master. Tobi from Tobirama.

To add to my theory about Tobi / Kagami Uchiha, would'nt it be great if the reason why Tobi seemed so surprise to see Kabuto's last Edo Tensei coffin was because it's Madara Uchiha?! And that Kagami Uchiha could be Izuna Uchiha's (Madara's little brother) son!? Maybe he was Madara's nephew and after his father's death he was raised under Madara's ideologies? This makes sense since Madara and Izuna are the same age as Hashirama and Tobirama, so Kagami could have easily been the child of either of those Uchiha brothers! And it could make for a very interesting plot twist in the Naruto series!

Anyways, i hope you guys like my theory and tell me what you think about it i'd like to know good and bad opinions concerning it! Thanks
Uchiha Kagami: The man who was in the squad of Tobirama, the brother of Hashirama Senju who was Madara's rival. Tobirama - the shinobi that the masked man derived his alias "Tobi" from.

Uchiha Kagami: The man who was in the same squad as both elders, Danzo, and Hiruzen. Four people all involved in the Uchiha massacre, and 3 of which Tobi brainwashed Sasuke to kill. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Uchiha Kagami: The man who picked up where his father left off, but was smarter than his father. Instead of destroying the Senju head on, he would infiltrate Konoha, and learn about their ways. "Patience is the key to success" ~ Tobi.

Uchiha Kagami: The man, the Uchiha, that Kishimoto quietly introduced, yet everyone overlooked.

Uchiha Kagami: The man behind the mask
 

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You meant Tobi Inuzuka.
 

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yeah i had a theory that kagami was izuna's son which makes sense if you think about it, him following madara's lead, to add to your theory kagami could of simply copied tobirama's space time ninjutsu with his sharingan and developed it to a more perfected state since his is apparently better then tobiramas :)
however you did not address the rinnegan giving or an explanation on the zetsu goo :) but other then that i like the theory but unfortunately like mine this will be moved :(
but in the end i think tobi is kagami or a new character :)
 
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Tobi is forsure either Kagami, the elder son, or Izuna. I'm going to be speechless if he is neither
 

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Tobi is no one or someone we don't really know about
 

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Heres the way I look at Tobi being Kagami from my Tobi analysis :
Pros:
-Their haircuts are very similar.
-His death is not noted.
-He is old enough to have known Madara (briefly).


Cons:
-Questionable motivation.
-Highly uninvolved with the story line.
 

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yeah i had a theory that kagami was izuna's son which makes sense if you think about it, him following madara's lead, to add to your theory kagami could of simply copied tobirama's space time ninjutsu with his sharingan and developed it to a more perfected state since his is apparently better then tobiramas :)
however you did not address the rinnegan giving or an explanation on the zetsu goo :) but other then that i like the theory but unfortunately like mine this will be moved :(
but in the end i think tobi is kagami or a new character :)

Good lookin broly
 

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Tobi is forsure either Kagami, the elder son, or Izuna. I'm going to be speechless if he is neither

There are no "good" candidates for Tobi. Check my thread ( ) and you'll see why no matter who Kishi introduces Tobi as, it's definitely BS.
 

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Heres the way I look at Tobi being Kagami from my Tobi analysis :
Pros:
-Their haircuts are very similar.
-His death is not noted.
-He is old enough to have known Madara (briefly).


Cons:
-Questionable motivation.
-Highly uninvolved with the story line.

agreed. tobi might as well be his own character. Kagami has no significance in the plot and I think he was just put in Hiruzen's squad because the Uchiha is a big clan.
 

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i think wait no believe! that these types of threads are not allowed due to many many "who is tobi" threads
 

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That may be an artifact of Kishi's drawing style or the two of them being Uchiha's (assuming Tobi is Uchiha). It doesn't prove a damn thing.

-.- of course it doesnt prove anything i was simply showing a pic of kagami and tobi that looks similar just for comparison :/ its pretty much the same as saying they have the same hair and shieet , you cant judge who he is based upon looks , like i said i though the op would find this comparison pic interesting, you might find this one interesting , now it suggests tobi is madara based upon looks , :)
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Tobi maybe Madara, but in White Zetsu form. Remember his arm when fighting against Minato? It became all oozy and drippy white also with when he fought against Danzo's two root ninja he just ripped his arm off like he didn't care.
 
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