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Animaster21
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Re: The Reason Why Tobi is Obito.
You said it yourself; Zetsu has the power to copy bodies. And then you said that it means he could have revived Obito's. Those abilities have nothing in common. Copying isn't reviving.
Not trying to diss your theory or anything, but it just doesn't seem likely that Obito is Tobi. If you ask me, the entire thing is a really really strange idea based on the idea that Tobi uses his right Sharingan and Obito gave away his left. But Tobi has two Sharingans, as seen when he fought Konan.
When the Kyuubi attacked Konoha 12 years before the series, Kakashi (and therefore Obito, they're the same age) was about 13-14, less than a year after Obito died. That means that the Tobi who fought Minato was 13...something doesn't seem quite right there...
Obito isn't Tobi. That's just my opinion, but it's more likely than if he was.
Anyways, I thought that the line "You don't remember faces, so why does it matter?" was directed at Guy, referencing his forgetfulness when it comes to Kisame.
You said it yourself; Zetsu has the power to copy bodies. And then you said that it means he could have revived Obito's. Those abilities have nothing in common. Copying isn't reviving.
Not trying to diss your theory or anything, but it just doesn't seem likely that Obito is Tobi. If you ask me, the entire thing is a really really strange idea based on the idea that Tobi uses his right Sharingan and Obito gave away his left. But Tobi has two Sharingans, as seen when he fought Konan.
When the Kyuubi attacked Konoha 12 years before the series, Kakashi (and therefore Obito, they're the same age) was about 13-14, less than a year after Obito died. That means that the Tobi who fought Minato was 13...something doesn't seem quite right there...
Obito isn't Tobi. That's just my opinion, but it's more likely than if he was.
Anyways, I thought that the line "You don't remember faces, so why does it matter?" was directed at Guy, referencing his forgetfulness when it comes to Kisame.
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Re: Tobi breakdown (spoilers)
Tobi himself has to be someone who lived at the time of Madara Uchiha
Reasons being
-Madara when revived said something along the lines of "So HE's behind this"
that automatically eliminates Obito due to the age difference and when Madara died and Tobi was born.
This only leaves one real candidate who had witnessed the Leaf's betrayal by making yet another Kage come from a clan other than the Uchiha.
Kagami Uchiha.
Later i'll be doing a proof on why Tobi is Kagami Uchiha
That is a pretty awesome post but who are you referring to exactly?
Tobi himself has to be someone who lived at the time of Madara Uchiha
Reasons being
-Madara when revived said something along the lines of "So HE's behind this"
that automatically eliminates Obito due to the age difference and when Madara died and Tobi was born.
This only leaves one real candidate who had witnessed the Leaf's betrayal by making yet another Kage come from a clan other than the Uchiha.
Kagami Uchiha.
Later i'll be doing a proof on why Tobi is Kagami Uchiha
Why does Tobi know Kakashi and Guy
Tobi knows so much because he puts zetsu to record every event every moment of history
Tobi says to zetsu if he recorded the whole thing.... Tobi knows so much because he has zetsu to see everything...
PS. Tobi is Izuna and not the stupid Obito
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Tobi knows so much because he puts zetsu to record every event every moment of history
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Tobi says to zetsu if he recorded the whole thing.... Tobi knows so much because he has zetsu to see everything...
PS. Tobi is Izuna and not the stupid Obito
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Re: Tobi & Obito - Same Eyebrow, Hair and Facial Expression (Proof and Pics inside)
Come at me bro, same eyes.
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Come at me bro, same eyes.
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I bet even tobi will get pissed with lot of tobi thread being made now a days WTHWTHWTHWTH:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Re: Tobi & Obito - Same Eyebrow, Hair and Facial Expression (Proof and Pics inside)
Stop using their appearances as evidence, THEY ARE UCHIHA CLAN MEMBERS, OF COURSE THEY LOOK ALIKE, STOP BEING DUMB GUYS!!!!
Hell Sasuke resembles Izuna are they the same shinobi? Phoque NO!
& for the last time that was the shadow from the mask, Tobi's face is not black smh. Please stop looking & then immediately making assumptions
this is going to be funny as hell, hope you got accurate facts\details
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
Stop using their appearances as evidence, THEY ARE UCHIHA CLAN MEMBERS, OF COURSE THEY LOOK ALIKE, STOP BEING DUMB GUYS!!!!
Hell Sasuke resembles Izuna are they the same shinobi? Phoque NO!
& for the last time that was the shadow from the mask, Tobi's face is not black smh. Please stop looking & then immediately making assumptions
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this is going to be funny as hell, hope you got accurate facts\detailsThe current Tobi is Obito, the Tobi who fought Minato(The past Tobi) was someone else(Danzou)Animaster21 said:
something i wrote for a discussion thread, thought it might fit well here...
People keep saying that Madara created or trained Tobi. I put it to you this way. I find it more likely that Tobi trained and cultured Madara. Who told Madara and Izuna about Mangekyou? Who told Madara about Rinnengan? Chances are much more likely that Tobi predates Madara is even more powerful than him. Lets look at fact.... Tobi got hit by ameratsu and came out clean. Tobi had his arm infected by bugs and cut it off and soon after replaced it. Tobi had half his torso and an arm and some of his face blown off by Konan and healed shortly afterwards, with no residual damage. Tobi has the intimate knowledge of the Rikudou, his sons, the tailed beasts, including the juubi, the personal fight between Senju and Uchiha dating back to the origin (the sons of the sage). He has bent character after character to his will. He has masqueraded as a nitwit Akatsuki member and as the most renowned uchiha (madara) and no one has called him out on it, because they have no way to scope his power. He has time space ninjutsu and knows the workings of the Sharingan and Rinnengan intimately. He claims that the Rinnengan was "his". He only uses one rinnengan even though he has both. He uses one sharingan as well, because he knows the power of having both as a balance. Tobi has faced every single situation with no fear at all (unless he was acting like during sasuke deidara fight). He fought 8 Konoha ninjas singlehandedly and embarrassed them. He entered the secret meeting of the kages and threatened them with war. He saved Sasuke from Tsuchikages dust techniques. He purposefully used Nagato the descendant of his enemies to further his own schemes, and empowered him all with the purpose of using him. He negates his own existence by calling himself "no one". Think of all the other villians... always so desperate to pronounce their own name and power. So desperate for the recognition of their greatness. Tobi doesnt want to be recognized, he doesnt want to be feared or admired. He wants to destroy all freedom and sense of self from the world. This is a man who has planned and plotted and steered the course of the fate of the world in a direction of his choosing for DECADES, maybe even centuries! He was hit by a BALL crushing rasengan by the 4th hokage, Minato, and then stabbed in the chest by a kunai, only to retreat with a promise to return, which even Minato didn't doubt. He has penetrated and pervaded every aspect of this entire series.
If you still think that Tobi is someone as small and unimportant as Obito Uchiha, then you are a lost cause. HOPELESS.
Tobi is and can only be the elder son of the Sage of the Six Paths.
They wouldnt recognize his face or his name even if he told it to them...so whats the point? And honestly his face is so disfigured, I'm not surprised he keeps it covered, just like the rest of his body. He wears gloves and a full on cloak and mask. His skin is hidden, his name is hidden, his face is hidden, the only thing he has been completely explicit about is his desires. Which frankly he's been honest about this whole time. "I'm going to revive the Juubi and use the Infinite Tsukiyomi on the world, destroying reality as you know it" - Tobi
his response from the kage... " The what? The who? What you talkin about?"
His plans, and his power are on a higher level than anyone that we know of. I don't know how I can make it any more obvious than that. I hope that helps...
People keep saying that Madara created or trained Tobi. I put it to you this way. I find it more likely that Tobi trained and cultured Madara. Who told Madara and Izuna about Mangekyou? Who told Madara about Rinnengan? Chances are much more likely that Tobi predates Madara is even more powerful than him. Lets look at fact.... Tobi got hit by ameratsu and came out clean. Tobi had his arm infected by bugs and cut it off and soon after replaced it. Tobi had half his torso and an arm and some of his face blown off by Konan and healed shortly afterwards, with no residual damage. Tobi has the intimate knowledge of the Rikudou, his sons, the tailed beasts, including the juubi, the personal fight between Senju and Uchiha dating back to the origin (the sons of the sage). He has bent character after character to his will. He has masqueraded as a nitwit Akatsuki member and as the most renowned uchiha (madara) and no one has called him out on it, because they have no way to scope his power. He has time space ninjutsu and knows the workings of the Sharingan and Rinnengan intimately. He claims that the Rinnengan was "his". He only uses one rinnengan even though he has both. He uses one sharingan as well, because he knows the power of having both as a balance. Tobi has faced every single situation with no fear at all (unless he was acting like during sasuke deidara fight). He fought 8 Konoha ninjas singlehandedly and embarrassed them. He entered the secret meeting of the kages and threatened them with war. He saved Sasuke from Tsuchikages dust techniques. He purposefully used Nagato the descendant of his enemies to further his own schemes, and empowered him all with the purpose of using him. He negates his own existence by calling himself "no one". Think of all the other villians... always so desperate to pronounce their own name and power. So desperate for the recognition of their greatness. Tobi doesnt want to be recognized, he doesnt want to be feared or admired. He wants to destroy all freedom and sense of self from the world. This is a man who has planned and plotted and steered the course of the fate of the world in a direction of his choosing for DECADES, maybe even centuries! He was hit by a BALL crushing rasengan by the 4th hokage, Minato, and then stabbed in the chest by a kunai, only to retreat with a promise to return, which even Minato didn't doubt. He has penetrated and pervaded every aspect of this entire series.
If you still think that Tobi is someone as small and unimportant as Obito Uchiha, then you are a lost cause. HOPELESS.
Tobi is and can only be the elder son of the Sage of the Six Paths.
They wouldnt recognize his face or his name even if he told it to them...so whats the point? And honestly his face is so disfigured, I'm not surprised he keeps it covered, just like the rest of his body. He wears gloves and a full on cloak and mask. His skin is hidden, his name is hidden, his face is hidden, the only thing he has been completely explicit about is his desires. Which frankly he's been honest about this whole time. "I'm going to revive the Juubi and use the Infinite Tsukiyomi on the world, destroying reality as you know it" - Tobi
his response from the kage... " The what? The who? What you talkin about?"
His plans, and his power are on a higher level than anyone that we know of. I don't know how I can make it any more obvious than that. I hope that helps...
OK, please be gentle because im new? Q_Q Ive seen alot of talk about people gripeing tobi cant possibly be obito . but I ask why it cant be because :
from reading the wikis and such . Obito was "killed" by having a boulder / rock or whatever fall across the right side of his body. He gave kakashi his left eys as a gift . Tobi. from what Ive seen has one shartigan (sp?) in his right eye socket. and a rinnegan in his left . the one he gave kakashi . So is obito still a valid theory?
from reading the wikis and such . Obito was "killed" by having a boulder / rock or whatever fall across the right side of his body. He gave kakashi his left eys as a gift . Tobi. from what Ive seen has one shartigan (sp?) in his right eye socket. and a rinnegan in his left . the one he gave kakashi . So is obito still a valid theory?
Gyakusetsu
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First, welcome to Narutobase. You clearly read the rules because most folks just post without searching +rep right there. Second, nobody can say a theory is invalid (not that it will stop any of us) because Kishimoto can do whatever the hell he wants. There are only theories and some are more likely than others based on what has occurred within the Manga. Nothing stops Kishimoto from simply inventing a new Jutsu, character, etc. and all our theories are for naught or Kishimoto could come back the week after and our theory is back on the table. We've all seen it happen. Right Orochimaru? *yesssssssssss* .
That said if Kishimoto picked Obito it would the biggest insult he could deliver to his fanbase. It would be like him saying "You guys are so dumb that I had to spoon feed it to you through a mini-series." Forget the timelines, forget the unexplained powerup and all the other inconsistencies. I just don't believe that Kishimoto has that much contempt for his audience. Then again there was the 6th coffin that was so obviously Madara that folks refused to believe it. Someone yells from the back row: *Jury's still out on that bitch*
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You misunderstand (as usual). Obito's death was shown as CANON. Izuna's death was told through someone's perspective. We experience Obito's death firsthand whereas Izunas death hasn't actually been shown, just a vague picture of him in a coffin.
We SEE Obito being crushed by a boulder and we KNOW he's dead. Nothing vague there, it actually happened. Until we see an actual backstory, then you can't 100% say Izuna is dead.
Sure the five chapter love triangle is messed up, and you already admit that it isn't why he turned "evil" so I'm not going to discuss it.
So what you're saying is the main reasons a ninja who could potentially use space-time ninjutsu can't be a ninja who uses space-time ninjutsu are space and time?
I'm not saying Tobi = Obito, my number one guess is still Izuna, but suddenly awakening unstable space-time powers (to go with suddenly awakening sharingan powers) would certainly account for Obito's survival, age gap, and time to fester up some hatred. Maybe he was just stuck in his little pocket dimension for a decade or two. There's also the two-Tobis theory in which the one who fought Minato could indeed have been Madara.
Either way there is an awful lot of evidence that points to Obito, including the very similar and unusual powers between Tobi and Kakashi who have both exhibited Sharingan abilities nobody in the entire Uchiha clan seem to know about. Also I'd like to point out in the now infamous Ch594 pg8, even though Tobi's statement about remembering faces is directed at Guy the part about Kakashi living a life of regret obviously is not. He seems familiar with him, and to compound the issue, the 5th and 6th panel in the middle of the page is a pretty interesting side-by-side juxtaposition of Tobi's right sharingan and Kakashi's left one. Why is that panel with Kakashi even THERE? It serves absolutely no purpose, given the conversation had been changed to Tobi and Guy, unless it signifies a link between Kakashi and Tobi.
It might be a red herring, it might be foreshadowing. We don't know.
I think the main reason people are saying it isn't Obito is because it would be a pretty bad twist, but it's not as if Naruto is a shining example of spectacular literature. But then I don't really understand why people would prefer it to be someone like Shisui, or worse still Kagami, because their total lack of background and development would make them even lamer twists than Obito who at least got some of a gaiden dedicated to him.
tl;dr: in a universe filled with magical superpowers there are far less plausible theories and I don't know why the Obito one gets so much flak.
I'm not saying Tobi = Obito, my number one guess is still Izuna, but suddenly awakening unstable space-time powers (to go with suddenly awakening sharingan powers) would certainly account for Obito's survival, age gap, and time to fester up some hatred. Maybe he was just stuck in his little pocket dimension for a decade or two. There's also the two-Tobis theory in which the one who fought Minato could indeed have been Madara.
Either way there is an awful lot of evidence that points to Obito, including the very similar and unusual powers between Tobi and Kakashi who have both exhibited Sharingan abilities nobody in the entire Uchiha clan seem to know about. Also I'd like to point out in the now infamous Ch594 pg8, even though Tobi's statement about remembering faces is directed at Guy the part about Kakashi living a life of regret obviously is not. He seems familiar with him, and to compound the issue, the 5th and 6th panel in the middle of the page is a pretty interesting side-by-side juxtaposition of Tobi's right sharingan and Kakashi's left one. Why is that panel with Kakashi even THERE? It serves absolutely no purpose, given the conversation had been changed to Tobi and Guy, unless it signifies a link between Kakashi and Tobi.
It might be a red herring, it might be foreshadowing. We don't know.
I think the main reason people are saying it isn't Obito is because it would be a pretty bad twist, but it's not as if Naruto is a shining example of spectacular literature. But then I don't really understand why people would prefer it to be someone like Shisui, or worse still Kagami, because their total lack of background and development would make them even lamer twists than Obito who at least got some of a gaiden dedicated to him.
tl;dr: in a universe filled with magical superpowers there are far less plausible theories and I don't know why the Obito one gets so much flak.
Jyuubislayer
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Couldn't Tobi be more than one person. A collective entity, who because of this considers himself as "no one".
I'm leaning towards Kagami because I truly cannot think of a good reason besides wild speculation that it could be anyone else. There is just no reason to suggest that it's not him at this point. Kagami is the only other character in the manga right now that is as mysterious as Tobi. Both allow for a lot of room for explanation and background.
I love how the Obito theorists keep coming up with ridiculous explanation for why it could still be him even though the evidence is pretty clear. "He coulda done such and such". You have to use given facts you can't make up your own. The last little quip that Tobi said to Kakashi and Guy is further evidence of Kishi trolling. I'm not gonna be fooled that easily.
I love how the Obito theorists keep coming up with ridiculous explanation for why it could still be him even though the evidence is pretty clear. "He coulda done such and such". You have to use given facts you can't make up your own. The last little quip that Tobi said to Kakashi and Guy is further evidence of Kishi trolling. I'm not gonna be fooled that easily.
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I believe that tobi is from the senju clan, possibly Hashirama's Son (other people also mentioned it). Reasons:
1:- He could have rinnegan in both eyes why is he keeping sharingan, had he been uchicha, it would have been like madara's eyes. I mean, people other than uchicha cannot switch eyes from sharingan to rennigan and vice versa, as it was the case with Nagato.
2:- He got hold of Hashirama body. It would be easier for the son than others. (not a very strong reason)
3:- Kishi's style of keeping a secret is no more secret to us. He will make you believe one thing and will reveal it totally opposite at the end. Kishi has made us believe that he is from uchiha. Tobi keeps talking about genjutsu, to strengthen the uchiha theory, but never seen him doing it a single time. Shown that uchiha clan is a rebellion type, then shown the rebellion nature of tobi. Kishi chose the teleportation jutsu as the trademark for Tobi, which can be performed by both uchiha and senju clan. He can control the beasts, which is also common between both clans.
But tobi says he is "nobody". It felt like a forsaken person, he has also shown empathy to jinchurikies in one episode, was trying to tell them he was also forsaken like them. So the nobody that I can think of is someone from stronger clan who became angry/rebellion after being ignored. A hokage's son and a hokage's father, but never heard of him, a suitable person for being angry for this ignorance.
Anyway, it's only a guess.
Another guess:
Since we got used to kishi's style, he might be double bluffing for the obito case.
1:- He could have rinnegan in both eyes why is he keeping sharingan, had he been uchicha, it would have been like madara's eyes. I mean, people other than uchicha cannot switch eyes from sharingan to rennigan and vice versa, as it was the case with Nagato.
2:- He got hold of Hashirama body. It would be easier for the son than others. (not a very strong reason)
3:- Kishi's style of keeping a secret is no more secret to us. He will make you believe one thing and will reveal it totally opposite at the end. Kishi has made us believe that he is from uchiha. Tobi keeps talking about genjutsu, to strengthen the uchiha theory, but never seen him doing it a single time. Shown that uchiha clan is a rebellion type, then shown the rebellion nature of tobi. Kishi chose the teleportation jutsu as the trademark for Tobi, which can be performed by both uchiha and senju clan. He can control the beasts, which is also common between both clans.
But tobi says he is "nobody". It felt like a forsaken person, he has also shown empathy to jinchurikies in one episode, was trying to tell them he was also forsaken like them. So the nobody that I can think of is someone from stronger clan who became angry/rebellion after being ignored. A hokage's son and a hokage's father, but never heard of him, a suitable person for being angry for this ignorance.
Anyway, it's only a guess.
Another guess:
Since we got used to kishi's style, he might be double bluffing for the obito case.
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