Oh my GOD, Tobi ISN'T OBITO ... what he meant is that Kakashi acts cocky due to having a Sharingan while not being an Uchiha, and Guy didn't remember Kisame's face numerous times thus there's no reason to reveal his face to him.
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Im almost positive its kagami now through process of elimination. There is picture proof for this but i really cant be assed to go back and find it just to show an opinion nobody here probably cares about lol
Kagami was around with hiruzen / danzo / the elders in a squad directly under sandaime hokage. Was probably just a kid when madara was at his peak meaning madara / hashi were still around when kagami was young.
When the nine tails attacks (tobi) kagami is the only one missing! THIS IS THE KEY! There is a picture showing all the elders faces, excluding danzo / kagami.
All the other uchiha have been ticked off through process of elimination and kagami would have been at jounin / teacher level when kakashi and gai were students at konoha academy or whatever theyre calling it nowadays.
Some people may not accept this but to me its the only logical answer, i will be extremely pissed if its some random but kishi has pretty much confirmed its not izuna (NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY ANYONE THOUGH IT WAS OBITO TROLOLOLOL)
Kagami was around with hiruzen / danzo / the elders in a squad directly under sandaime hokage. Was probably just a kid when madara was at his peak meaning madara / hashi were still around when kagami was young.
When the nine tails attacks (tobi) kagami is the only one missing! THIS IS THE KEY! There is a picture showing all the elders faces, excluding danzo / kagami.
All the other uchiha have been ticked off through process of elimination and kagami would have been at jounin / teacher level when kakashi and gai were students at konoha academy or whatever theyre calling it nowadays.
Some people may not accept this but to me its the only logical answer, i will be extremely pissed if its some random but kishi has pretty much confirmed its not izuna (NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY ANYONE THOUGH IT WAS OBITO TROLOLOLOL)
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On your second point, Great point but lets not forget the numerous years tobi had by hemself. He had been given a mission, w/o a name, without love nor direction. He knows that he is most like madura and so he takes on that roll of becoming madara but none of his trials work.
Destroying the leaf with the 9 tails
Becoming a Kage
or resurrecting Madura
So rationally he is frustrated and must think by erasing everybody then his own life would have meaning.
But the only problem is that there is nothing in the manga that points to this. Neither madara's bro nor the sages' son has been mentioned outside Tobi's origin of hate story.
On your second point, Great point but lets not forget the numerous years tobi had by hemself. He had been given a mission, w/o a name, without love nor direction. He knows that he is most like madura and so he takes on that roll of becoming madara but none of his trials work.
Destroying the leaf with the 9 tails
Becoming a Kage
or resurrecting Madura
So rationally he is frustrated and must think by erasing everybody then his own life would have meaning.
You guys better not start changing your guesses now that more remarkable things are occuring. Remember how you guys were so caught up in who you thought Tobi really was? Keep it that way. I see alot of you once "die hard" theorists second guessing yourselves.... lame
For The Record:I think;
Past Tobi/Stripe Mask: Danzou Shimura
Present Tobi/Swirl & Sharinnegan Mask: Obito Uchiha
BOOM!!!!
Aaaaaaand the crowd goes
lol
Who does Tobi sound like in this panel?.... I'll wait....
Even if Kishi is trolling right here you neigh sayers to my Current Tobi = Obito Uchiha just shat bricks.
& Kagami was like an Uchiha Elder, he was old as hell, where do you get this "would have been jounin / teacher level when Kakashi & Gai were Academy students" Kagami was teacher level when Jiraiya was a Genin, he was old as hell by the time Minato got his students (Kakashi) AGAIN!!!! Get your facts straight....
For The Record:I think;
Past Tobi/Stripe Mask: Danzou Shimura
Present Tobi/Swirl & Sharinnegan Mask: Obito Uchiha
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BOOM!!!!
Aaaaaaand the crowd goes
lolWho does Tobi sound like in this panel?.... I'll wait....
Even if Kishi is trolling right here you neigh sayers to my Current Tobi = Obito Uchiha just shat bricks.
...Chief.... :stfu: I dislike the Izuna theorists with a passion but their case is 10x better than Kagami's. & he wasnt the only Uchiha clan member that was missing that night, get your facts straight please....Fear My eyes said:
& Kagami was like an Uchiha Elder, he was old as hell, where do you get this "would have been jounin / teacher level when Kakashi & Gai were Academy students" Kagami was teacher level when Jiraiya was a Genin, he was old as hell by the time Minato got his students (Kakashi) AGAIN!!!! Get your facts straight....
Oh no you don't you S.O.B. you better think of something witty lol. Also very big thing; Tobi was talking to Guy on the panel were he talks about not remembering faces... I think...Edge said:
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Edge when you said this "There are still major conflicting points with the Obito theory such as his unexplained shift to evil", you gotta remember that to the world of NARUTO he was supposedly "dead" a long time ago, who knows what he's experienced to make him so evil over the years of lil to no contact to society?Don't worry 0moi, you haven't won yet...
Look at Sasuke he went from "I must get stronger to avenge my clan by killing my brother"-Loyal Konohagakure Shinobi to "I must destroy Konohagakure to avenge my brother"-S-Rank Missing Shinobi.... Same can even be said about Itachi, but we know both of their motives now
OH & WE KNOW FOR SURE TOBI ISN'T THE JUUBI, TEN-TAILS, THIS I'M QUITE CERTAIN OF NOW!!!!
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This logic applies to basically any theory, but it's hard to imagine the Obito we knew who managed to save Kakashi from desolateness and furthermore, he was crushed under a boulder. The shift from good to evil isn't the only contradiction here.
I know you'll ask so I'll say it here, the difference between Izuna and Obito concerning their deaths is that Obito was actually shown to have died. No Flashbacks, it was dead to the point. Izuna's back story is more vague and open to interpretation whereas Obito's is already established.
Sure Kishi could make Tobi Obito by bsing some backstory where he somehow managed to survive with his vital organs crushed long enough to merge with Zetsu and then forget trying to return to the village to see his former comrades but rather inexplicably decide to destroy the ninja world.
My point here is the matter of whether Kishi will have to do a major ***pull (in Obito's case, A LOT of ***pulling) to explain every contradiction and occurrence where other theories like Izuna are easily explained and fit better in a lot of places and pieces of evidence that we've seen thus far.
Sure Sasuke changed, and his changes MADE SENSE based on what was happening to him. How could you possibly explain how Obito changes into Tobi without some major bsing?
I believe you have the bold part backwards, Izuna was the 1 who was shown to be dead for sure[he had a funeral, casket & all]. Obito was submerged under bolders & Kakashi & Rin ran out of the cave before it completely caved in. If anything Obito's death is more open to discussion....
Adding to Obito's motive, he was in love with Rin, right? Rin was in love with Kakashi, right? Obito had to convince Kakashi to go back & save Rin, right? Obito puts himself in harms way to save Kakashi, right? Obito practically gave his life for the girl of his dreams & a guy who didn't give 4 phoques about her. Obito is left to die while they escape to life.... It may not be why he turned evil but thats still pretty messed up chief
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Re: Anyone notice the damage the masked man has on his body?
It has nothing to do with fans. It's just theories. Like others saying Tobi could be Izuna or whatever. No reason to get upset about it and call people retarded. :sy:
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Tobi threads kept giving me ideas so heres a really good one ok what if tobi is more then one person???the key here is his mask why even wear one i know shocking right but let me break it down really quick so itachi saw tobi but with longer hair right? he really looked like madara here so why couldnt that be madara?
now i know what you all are thinking here we go another tobi thread but i honestly think i have something here if tobi is say madara and obito ? the tobi who attacked konoha was somehow obito with zetsus cells in him which would explain how he survived being crushed by that rock and the tobi who controlled the 4th mizukage was madara
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now i know what you all are thinking here we go another tobi thread but i honestly think i have something here if tobi is say madara and obito ? the tobi who attacked konoha was somehow obito with zetsus cells in him which would explain how he survived being crushed by that rock and the tobi who controlled the 4th mizukage was madara
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the whole time madara was trying to gain the rinnegan he was teaching obito to be a badass ninja like himself which is why he even took his name obito must be trying to repay madara for saving his life by finishing his plans another notable feature is when tobi was 1st introduced he was a clown you can say obito was also a funny character thats a trait they share but my number one reason for believing what i stated is here
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boom you guys seeing the picture now? kakashi cant kaumi tobi because he has obitos eye the same eye tobi has which is why tobi can warp dimensions but kakashi can send others to that same dimension tobi has to be with that person to warp them the two techniques even look similar the reason is because they act as a pair the power of obitos sharingan is space time manipulation one sends opponents to another dimension while the other warps the user to another dimension the current tobi is none other than obito which is why he is talking to kakashi that way in todays current chapter so point is tobi was 1st madara then he found obito implanted zetsus cells to keep him alive trained him and then on his deathbed told obito to bring peace by completing the moons eye plan and continuing his legacy thats why we notice the hair changing now my theory has one flaw thats when minato fought tobi how could obito get so much stronger in that period of time? well if im correct madara trained him harshly so he could fight on par with minato obito then discovered his own mangekyou sharingan technique and thought his space time manipulation was better than ftg so he thought he would win but battle experience is what decided that fight so yeah my theory is that tobi is 1st madara aka long haired tobi then madara died and they switched when the nine tails attacked aka short haired or current tobi i know this is alot of words but i had too share my thoughts lol what do you guys think? this would also explain how tobi has been around 4 so long and also who in this entire manga ever got a haircut? lol /threadThe part about Tobi being more than 1 person, you are HELLA late chief.... all that stuff about Madara training Obito just aint happening though lol. Glad you realized it's more than 1 person behind the mask though CONGRATZ!!!!
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Tobi & Obito - Same Eyebrow, Hair and Facial Expression (Proof and Pics inside)
as you can see, they have the same eyebrow, hair and facial expression. the only difference is, that tobi looks older and half of his face is black.
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as you can see, they have the same eyebrow, hair and facial expression. the only difference is, that tobi looks older and half of his face is black.
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Re: Tobi & Obito - Same Eyebrow, Hair and Facial Expression (Proof and Pics inside)
Just because someone looks like someone else, does not mean they're the same person.
Just because someone looks like someone else, does not mean they're the same person.
yuan of cruxis
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Re: Tobi & Obito - Same Eyebrow, Hair and Facial Expression (Proof and Pics inside)
lol the little things count the most
It is a clue
lol the little things count the most
It is a clue
Ballin Sasuke
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Re: Tobi & Obito - Same Eyebrow, Hair and Facial Expression (Proof and Pics inside)
Good eye man
Good eye man
yuan of cruxis
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Re: Tobi & Obito - Same Eyebrow, Hair and Facial Expression (Proof and Pics inside)
This is indeed true, i mean look at Lee and Gai
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