[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[Edge]

I never said that all my theories were proven but probable, & if you had paid attention from the beginning of the conversation you would have seen that I used words like might, & may against Sasuke2, who said his Izuna theory was the only one with the less amount of fiction/made up story which is false. Stop trying to flame when you really have no clue where the origin of a post came from. Like I said early, all you're doing is insulting & not contributing to the thread's purpose at all.

& how exactly are Zetsu & Hashirama's cells not connected?

It is the only one with the most amount of evidence against it, now we're going back to the beginning of the argument. And don't get me wrong, I've read all your posts which is the reason why I'm doing this in the first place. All you've been doing is supporting a theory the way YOU want to see it, and twisting actual evidence to support your theory while ignoring others more valid points. Notice how your theory has been founded by you, and you are the only one supporting it. Doesn't that tell you something?

I'm not flaming you, I'm DEBATING. You don't have to take these arguments personally but if I'm coming across that way, I apologize.

Also about the cells, they are connected, but connected doesn't mean they are the same thing.

 

[alexu9696]

I realy am convinced that tobi did experimentend with zetsu goo on himself .... that bandage on his forehad .... and tobi got hashirma dna ... i think tobi was trying like kabuto to get closer to So6p

i mean ... sharingan...rinngean... body with spareparts .... teleportation... phasing

i think tobi did not have this powers i think he somehow experimented on him to get this OP powers

And the think with former shell could mean .... that he is no longer himself .... i mean ... the eyes dosent belong to him ..... maybe half or more of that body dosent belong to him because he keeeps replacing bodyparts .... you know ..... itachi amaterasu really did hit him in full force .... konan realy damage him .... minato also hit him good...

His body his eyes dosent belong to him they are all from others.... the rinnegan from nagato that sharingan who knows from who ? and does body parts from zetsu

That is why is a shell of his fromers self

 

[Aze]

Good point ....if zetsu goo was used on izuna body ..... and that is why it has izuna personalty ....... and some zetsu

but can zestu goo be that reason that revived izuna ? .... maybe that zetsuu goo cand be a jutsu of somekind .... so that tobi can remplace body parts in case he gets hit .... you know a safety jutsu ... him being so old ..

something very awesom i see is this.... you see that bandage on izuna eyes ?

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Could it be the same bandage only that here is on his forehad ?

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I mean why the hell would tobi have a bandage on his forehad ? :shrug:

I think , the bandage , that Tobi has is for a reason.

Most likely he's partialy zetsu as we know , and that bandage is there to cover or heal wounds.

Or Id could be there to support hes mask.

We have seen many characters with bandages all over them.

just an accesory most likely

or Kishi uses it , too hide Tobis hair line = also a good possibility.

 

[sageadvice]

elaborate please

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[DrPotato]

I realy am convinced that tobi did experimentend with zetsu goo on himself .... that bandage on his forehad .... and tobi got hashirma dna ... i think tobi was trying like kabuto to get closer to So6p

i mean ... sharingan...rinngean... body with spareparts .... teleportation... phasing

i think tobi did not have this powers i think he somehow experimented on him to get this OP powers

And the think with former shell could mean .... that he is no longer himself .... i mean ... the eyes dosent belong to him ..... maybe half or more of that body dosent belong to him because he keeeps replacing bodyparts .... you know ..... itachi amaterasu really did hit him in full force .... konan realy damage him .... minato also hit him good...

His body his eyes dosent belong to him they are all from others.... the rinnegan from nagato that sharingan who knows from who ? and does body parts from zetsu

That is why is a shell of his fromers self

thats pretty much what i am believing 2 by now

 

[sageadvice]

although i think he's setsuna, and all that talk about being a shell of his former self was when he was pretending to be madara, i do think that he's what setsuna turned himself into, with hashirama and zetsu DNA. he doesn't bleed anymore, and that definitely implies that he's done some evolving, a la kabuto, oro, and danzo style.

 

[Edge]

although i think he's setsuna, and all that talk about being a shell of his former self was when he was pretending to be madara, i do think that he's what setsuna turned himself into, with hashirama and zetsu DNA. he doesn't bleed anymore, and that definitely implies that he's done some evolving, a la kabuto, oro, and danzo style.

"He's Setsuna!"

"Why?"

"Because he's an Uchiha! And their hair looks the same!"

"So basically like Obito or Izuna except all just bare looks and nothing else supporting?"

"Yeah!@"

 

[Kawaii Gaara]

I'm leaning towards Kagami at this point, for a few reasons;

- Where did the name 'Tobi' come from?; Kagami was taught by Tobirama, it may just be a coincedence, but since he named himself, maybe he had a lot of respect for him or something? We don't know that much about Tobirama himself - wonder how he truely felt towards the Uchiha clan/Madara? He was an underdog, in terms of politics, in many respects too.

- We know Tobi can use space/time jutsu, but who taught him that?; well Tobirama may have taught Kagami.

- Age matters; we have seen Tobi's face and it is aged...so it makes sense that Kagami (who would be in his 70s now) could be Tobi - age doesn't prevent shinobi from fighting though (think Oonoki, Hiruzen & Danzou).

- Danzou and Tobi apparently worked together in the Uchiha massacre (preparation, sorting out eyes in the aftermath); this would be even more likely if Tobi and Danzou were old comrades - Kagami was on Danzou's team.

- Tobi knew A LOT about Madara while he was pretending to be him suggesting that Tobi would have to have known him in person, rather than just hear history stories; Kagami would have had the opportunity to know Madara personally.

- Kagami is 'assumed' to have died and has a similar eye shape to Tobi.

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[0moi]

It is the only one with the most amount of evidence against it, now we're going back to the beginning of the argument. And don't get me wrong, I've read all your posts which is the reason why I'm doing this in the first place. All you've been doing is supporting a theory the way YOU want to see it, and twisting actual evidence to support your theory while ignoring others more valid points. Notice how your theory has been founded by you, and you are the only one supporting it. Doesn't that tell you something?

I'm not flaming you, I'm DEBATING. You don't have to take these arguments personally but if I'm coming across that way, I apologize.

Also about the cells, they are connected, but connected doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Please explain to me how the Izuna theory has the most amount of evidence against it. I know I repeat this phrase alot but it still stands, none of Izuna's theory can be backed up because we have no proof that he was ever revived[not proven yet], his burial was show & everything so we know for sure he died[proven], never showed him being revived either so in my eyes he's worm food at the moment.

I support the Danzou & Obitio theory, for 1 because Danzou was alive & well during the 1st tobi attack[proven], he played a major part in the incidents that occured while Tobi was in Konohagakure[proven], he posessed some the abilities displayed by Tobi during that time as well[proven]. & 2 because Obito was never actually shown dead[proven], he was left to die by his peers. He gave 1 of his eye's to Kakashi[proven]. Kakashi uses a doujutsu known as Kamui thanx to the sharingan given to him by Obito[proven]. Zetsu could've rescued him with Mayfly[not proven yet] The current Tobi uses a jutsu that is VERY much similar to, if not is Kamui[proven]. Which tells me that the sharingan in the current Tobi's eye socket did indeed belong to Obito[proven],or it may be Obito[not proven yet].

Being the only 1 that supports my theory is actually a good thing to me, it makes an even bigger impression once it's revealed that i was correct about my theories. Not being apart of a major theory group isn't all that bad, there's no uniqueness in it so you can carry on with the Izuna crew. i have no problem being a loner with my Obito\Danzou theory....

If Hashirama's DNA is not involved with Izuna then how is white Zetsu's cells involved with him.white Zetsu is made of mokuton[proven]. Who other than Hashirama possessed mokuton? Yamato? Danzou?

My Proof:
"Zetsu, or at least his white half, was created using cells from Hashirama Senju and plants as a medium."

Feel free to ask me to show my proof to any of the statements i labeled as proven as well, all i ask from you is to provide accurate evidence that implies that Madara did indeed revive Izuna before he died, & this "debate" can continue

- We know Tobi can use space/time jutsu, but who taught him that?; well Tobirama may have taught Kagami.

- Danzou and Tobi apparently worked together in the Uchiha massacre (preparation, sorting out eyes in the aftermath); this would be even more likely if Tobi and Danzou were old comrades - Kagami was on Danzou's team.

- Age matters; we have seen Tobi's face and it is aged...so it makes sense that Kagami (who would be in his 70s now) could be Tobi - age doesn't prevent shinobi from fighting though (think Oonoki, Hiruzen & Danzou).

Everything you just mentioned can be drawn back to Danzou....
Also Kagami was very loyal to the Uchiha & would not make an alliance with Konohagakure to eliminate them. If anything he was all for the coup detat not the massacre, i also believe he was 1 of the Uchiha who we're killed that night. Plus Tobi basically did everything that Danzou wanted to happen that night, maybe because he was Danzou....

 

[Aze]

I never said that all my theories were proven but probable, & if you had paid attention from the beginning of the conversation you would have seen that I used words like might, & may against Sasuke2, who said his Izuna theory was the only one with the less amount of fiction/made up story which is false. Stop trying to flame when you really have no clue where the origin of a post came from. Like I said early, all you're doing is insulting & not contributing to the thread's purpose at all.

& how exactly are Zetsu & Hashirama's cells not connected?

Zetsu could be completely different creation.

But they have "a mind"

Also they seem to be related to Tobi and Senju Hashirama.


There is only one Jutsu capable of creating a being with mind = Creation Of All Things.

Some one must have had acces to this Jutsu.​

 

[Aze]

Plus Tobi basically did everything that Danzou wanted to happen that night, maybe because he was Danzou....

So far we havent seen a shred of evidence supporting this claim.

If it where to be correct = Kishi could have given atleast some hints.

And believe me = Kishi wont waste hes time = Spending 20+ chapters explaining something like this = If it was true.


You are on the right path most likely , but the characters of your choosing do not make any sense.


You have to look for visual = evidence = in the Manga.

Since assumptions and words and events tied together is just an unfinished Theory.

If Theory consists of Pictures and Logical/Rational reasoning and harsh thinking = Then the Theory will be consisted on Reality.


And I tell you , there are many many many hidden clues = in the Manga = Visual clues , that you can see with your own eyes.


Actualy I have seen Hidden Kanjis , symbolism , subliminal messages in the Manga = They might not contribute much , but they are worth a shot.

Also looking at the body language of characters can also tell a thing or two.



I hope it helped.​

 

[Gyakusetsu]

***Spoiler Info, don't read if you haven't completed 591****

Spoiler

With Madara's decision to stay in Edo form you can rule out Izuna. Madara knows that no one is ressurecting him, so he had to do something himself. Better to remain an Edo then fade into oblivion. If you disagree that is fine but realize that you are in denial.

 

[alexu9696]

***Spoiler Info, don't read if you haven't completed 591****

Spoiler

With Madara's decision to stay in Edo form you can rule out Izuna. Madara knows that no one is ressurecting him, so he had to do something himself. Better to remain an Edo then fade into oblivion. If you disagree that is fine but realize that you are in denial.

He was expecting nagato to revive him ..... but now seing nagato dint .... why the hell he would rather be a normal madara when he can have unlimeted chakra ..... immortalty and he can do evertything and no one can stop him

he is more op in edo from then in real life form

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Can you go back and edit your post to put spoiler tags?

Spoiler

Then why not do this before? He could have taught someone the seals, had someone bring him back as an Edo, relased the summon and then Madara could summon himself. Reason: there is either a severe limitation and/or there was no one (meaning no Izuna) there he could trust to do this. Being dead better than being Edo slave in Madara's mind. He opted to take a chance that Tobi might resurrect him but didn't trust him to Edo tensei him.

Side note, that statement sounded very much like something from a Madara fanboy. I hope that isn't the case because then folks will have to consider a bias when looking at your theories.

 

[DrPotato]

He was expecting nagato to revive him ..... but now seing nagato dint .... why the hell he would rather be a normal madara when he can have unlimeted chakra ..... immortalty and he can do evertything and no one can stop him

he is more op in edo from then in real life form

he is undead NOT immortal. thats the difference

 

[Edge]

Please explain to me how the Izuna theory has the most amount of evidence against it.

Lol it doesn't...

I know I repeat this phrase alot but it still stands, none of Izuna's theory can be backed up because we have no proof that he was ever revived[not proven yet], his burial was show & everything so we know for sure he died[proven], never showed him being revived either so in my eyes he's worm food at the moment.

There's a difference between PLAUSIBLE and PROVEN. Plausible being that it IS possible with all the different revival techs out there. Your theories are based on facts, but these facts have nothing to do with your theory, and are contradicted by others as I will point out.

I support the Danzou & Obitio theory, for 1 because Danzou was alive & well during the 1st tobi attack[proven]

He probably was, but we haven't sen anything yet. Here we go.

he played a major part in the incidents that occured while Tobi was in Konohagakure[proven]

Yes, but this doesn't remotely mean he IS Tobi.

he posessed some the abilities displayed by Tobi during that time as well[proven]

Huh? When did he start using S/T techs during this time when we've only ever seen him fighting Sasuke? Here we go again.

& 2 because Obito was never actually shown dead[proven], he was left to die by his peers.

He was crushed by a rock. He's dead. It isn't plausible that he survived and furthermore, became an antagonist with no real motive.

He gave 1 of his eye's to Kakashi[proven]. Kakashi uses a doujutsu known as Kamui thanx to the sharingan given to him by Obito[proven]

This is true, but keep in mind Obito's other side was crushed. How can he use a crushed eye? It might be possible that Tobi harvested his eye, or that Tobi can use a similar technique to Kamui without being Obito. Uchiha powers tend to be related since...Uchihas are related.

The current Tobi uses a jutsu that is VERY much similar to, if not is Kamui[proven]. Which tells me that the sharingan in the current Tobi's eye socket did indeed belong to Obito[proven]

As mentioned above, SIMILAR doesn't mean PROVEN. And with all the contradicting evidence of Obito and his eye being crushed, I don't think so.

Also, NONE of the evidence you've given supports Obito being more than one person here.

Being the only 1 that supports my theory is actually a good thing to me, it makes an even bigger impression once it's revealed that i was correct about my theories. Not being apart of a major theory group isn't all that bad, there's no uniqueness in it so you can carry on with the Izuna crew. i have no problem being a loner with my Obito\Danzou theory....

Actually, it isn't. Now I see that all you care about is impressions which leads me to believe that your proud of how your theory developed from your own state of mind. The reason these theories are popular is because MORE THAN ONE person can see that they are plausible. Which leads them TO BEING MORE LIKELY. One person with one lone theory on his own doesn't really compare odds-wise.

If Hashirama's DNA is not involved with Izuna then how is white Zetsu's cells involved with him.white Zetsu is made of mokuton[proven]. Who other than Hashirama possessed mokuton? Yamato? Danzou?

I never said Hashirama's cells have nothing to do with Izuna. In fact, since I believe Tobi is Izuna, and Tobi has Zetsu in him or something of the sort, then the cells play a major role.

As for proof for Izuna, feel free to read posts already given, I gotta rush to work right now but I'll post more when I'm back.

 

[sageadvice]

"He's Setsuna!"

"Why?"

"Because he's an Uchiha! And their hair looks the same!"

"So basically like Obito or Izuna except all just bare looks and nothing else supporting?"

"Yeah!@"

((sigh))

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[0moi]

Lol it doesn't...



There's a difference between PLAUSIBLE and PROVEN. Plausible being that it IS possible with all the different revival techs out there. Your theories are based on facts, but these facts have nothing to do with your theory, and are contradicted by others as I will point out.



He probably was, but we haven't sen anything yet. Here we go.



Yes, but this doesn't remotely mean he IS Tobi.



Huh? When did he start using S/T techs during this time when we've only ever seen him fighting Sasuke? Here we go again.



He was crushed by a rock. He's dead. It isn't plausible that he survived and furthermore, became an antagonist with no real motive.



This is true, but keep in mind Obito's other side was crushed. How can he use a crushed eye? It might be possible that Tobi harvested his eye, or that Tobi can use a similar technique to Kamui without being Obito. Uchiha powers tend to be related since...Uchihas are related.



As mentioned above, SIMILAR doesn't mean PROVEN. And with all the contradicting evidence of Obito and his eye being crushed, I don't think so.

Also, NONE of the evidence you've given supports Obito being more than one person here.



Actually, it isn't. Now I see that all you care about is impressions which leads me to believe that your proud of how your theory developed from your own state of mind. The reason these theories are popular is because MORE THAN ONE person can see that they are plausible. Which leads them TO BEING MORE LIKELY. One person with one lone theory on his own doesn't really compare odds-wise.



I never said Hashirama's cells have nothing to do with Izuna. In fact, since I believe Tobi is Izuna, and Tobi has Zetsu in him or something of the sort, then the cells play a major role.

As for proof for Izuna, feel free to read posts already given, I gotta rush to work right now but I'll post more when I'm back.

Whatever Edge, I'm done chief, weasier'll see who Tobi is once it's revealed. You have your theory I have mine smh

 

[Frikid]

tobi is izuna uchiha.

 

[unagi]

spoiler for 591(i guess) Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

tobi gave riinegan to nagato.
the rinegan he got from madara.
rinnegan has link vision...madara sees what tobi sees.
tobi was shown the seal to edo tensei.
hence madara knew the seal to release edo tensei contract.
madara didnt conspire with the 2nd.
tobi has madara's riinnegan eye.
and kabuto might have known that madara might break out of edo tensei.
he did say that his biggest risk was telling tobi its sescrets... although i did recall kabuto saying 'well there is one other risk' secretly to himself... buy maybe i recalled wrongly...

but i wonder if the link vision worked coz madara the was still in the coffin...
and if he could see what tobi saw why couldnt he see the other things that tobi saw?hmmm. i think i just ripped down my own theory...