[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[alexu9696]

Ha you're pretty bold for that statement, all the theories of Tobi have holes;

How was Izuna able to get a sharingan to fight Minato? If I recall his eyes were taken by Madara then he died. If he was revived he would be brought back with no eyes. Even if he killed an Uchiha & took their eye how would he be able to control Kurama with just a regular sharingan? The only Uchiha sharingan I know off that was taken was Shisui's & Danzou & Itachi had 1 each.

According to you Madara gave Nagato his rinnegan before he died. Nagato wasn't even aware of Tobi until he was much older. I'm pretty sure he wasn't doing RT all wheely neely aroung that time. So when exactly was Izuna revived?

How does Izuna have Zetsu parts? Orochimaru kidnapped & killed Nawaki & gained Hashirama's DNA from him thus making Zetsu. Are you telling me Izuna went & asked Orochimaru to do surgery? I think not.

Danzou = Tigerstripe Mask

Danzou was the founder of Root, were he ruled with an iron fist, going so far as to make his members fight to the death. Orochimaru was in Root. It is fact that Orochimaru did surgery on Danzou giving him Hashirama's DNA.It is also fact that he possessed a sharingan. Are you still saying he didn't have the qualifications of being Tobi?

Danzou had the motives to do everything Tobi did back then. He possessed the traits needed to control Kurama. He played a major part in the Uchiha massacre. His stature fits Tobi. Tobi's injuries during the fight with Minato fit as well.

I'm quite sure you can find holes in my theory, & I can find holes in yours as well, the Izuna theory isn't the best theory chief....


you see you only say a fictional story in your mind you have no base just your story and your assumption .... that is why my theory and the izuna theory is the best because it's based on some facts and has good points ... i dont make up story in my mind i came with facts

and for your information izuna in his younger age was equal to madara and you dont know if rinne tensei gives back the eyes back or no ....
also madra contoled kurma with a normal sharingan

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second nagato was a child maybe a newborn child because as a child he had rinnegan when his parents where killed ... can you remember what did you do at the age of 4-5 ? i bet not xd

I belive that izuna was ressurected when madra was about to die

Lol you theory with nawaki is so retarded xd no dude i belive zetsu is not a human its a thing that was created by tobi ( izuna ) his a plant that has pure hashriama dna and his so loyal to tobi its like a dog xd

i think tobi (izuna) has zetsu goo because he injected himself with lot of hashirma dna maybe a side effect and he is fighting to contol his body ? you know when you dont have a strong body hashirama dna can become a real pain in the ass ( you turn into a tree) or madara rinne tensei being used on izuna that was dead so long long ago .. revived izuna in a weak state and he needed zetsu goo to survive

 

[0moi]

Uh dude that's exactly what I was explaining to you. You assumed Kamui and Tobi's S/T jutsu are related and I asked if you think Madara and Itachi/Sasuke Susano'o are related just because they all have it because I'm saying that Tobi's jutsu are and Uchiha thing not an Obito thing. You've just repeated what I said.

I said their Susano'o are connected because of MS. not just because they're Uchiha & plus like I've said I continuously find new things that I add & update to my theory. I didn't really care about Tobirama until I read his bio & saw that he used S\T which actually helped my Danzou theory, since he was Tobirama's student he could have learn S\T from him. I didn't repeat you at all actually...

I belive that izuna was ressurected when madra was about to die

Lol you theory with nawaki is so retarded no dude i belive zetsu is not a human its a thing that was created by tobi ( izuna ) his a plant that has pure hashriama dna and his so loyal to tobi its like a dog

i think tobi (izuna) has zetsu goo because he injected himself with lot of hashirma dna maybe a side effect and he is fighting to contol his body ? you know when you dont have a strong body hashirama dna can become a real pain in the ass ( you turn into a tree) or madara rinne tensei being used on izuna that was dead so long long ago .. revived izuna in a weak state and he needed zetsu goo to survive

Who ressurected Izuna then? We haven't seen Izuna since his death. Your entire theory is a fictionally story since you theory is based around a "dead" man. So your Izuna Theory = Obito Theory. You said believe/think multiple times that means you're not sure of your theory either. You're using stories as well. The only fact about Izuna is he died, everything after that is a story too. Izuna is never shown alive after his burial. At least my theory has a person who died recently. Danzou

Facts for Nawaki:

Nawaki is the grandson of Hashirama
Nawaki died on the day Tsunade gave him Hashirama's necklace
Orochimaru was claiming to be Nawaki & 2 other genin sensei around this time
Orochimaru had already began secretly kidnapping Konohagakure's people for experiments
Orochimaru returned Hashirama's necklace to Tsunade
Orochimaru obtained Hashirama's DNA
Orochimaru injected Hashirama's DNA into Yamato

If any of you attended common biology you most likely know about genes, DNA, & dominant & recessive traits. Nawaki had Hashirama's DNA because thats his granddad whether they be recessive or dominant they were present in Nawaki. Orochimaru knew Tsunade had Hashirama's DNA as well but would never be able to kidnap her, for obvious reasons. So go for the weak little brother with GOD-like genes, right? Its not exactly stated that Orochimaru kidnapped Nawaki but c'mon chief CONNECT THE DOTS!!!!

& PLEASE POST HOW MADARA OR IZUNA CAME INTO POSSESSION OF HASHIRAMA'S DNA, with facts no assumptions either....

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Izuna fits the best no other theory has this facts they only have fictional story ...

Maybe kurama tought that he is madara when tobi used the sharingan to control kurama and then realized that is not madara or maybe becaure of plot no jutsu he dosent tell naruto he could also tell him the truth about the atack against konoha 20 years ago.. but he dosent tell naruto about this.

Curses!! Your hypocrisy has rendered me powerless.. How did you know my weakness?

 

[0moi]

Why does everyone think Madara created Zetsu?! The only plausible explanation for Zetsu's existence is Orochimaru extracted Hashirama's DNA from Nawaki after he kidnapped him. We know Orochimaru killed alot of his test subjects by injecting them with this DNA. Yamato was the only survivor. I have yet to read\see where Madara possessed Hashirama's DNA. The only reason why Edo Madara has Hashirama's face on him is because of what Kabuto added to him (Hashirama's DNA). & where did Kabuto get this said DNA from? Orochimaru!

If Zetsu is made of Hashirama's DNA & Orochimaru possessed Hashirama's DNA what does that tell you?.... I'll wait....

Zetsu is an Orochimaru creation

Danzou had Hashirama's face beginning to form on his shoulder because of the DNA injected into him by Orochimaru.

Madara did not possess mokuton until he was Edo, after Kabuto enhanced him with Hashirama's DNA. During Madara's fight with Hashirama he didn't use mokuton not once....

Kamui is an Uchiha thing, not an Obito and it hasn't sparked much interest from Tobi.

.... & yet he uses it.... The doujutsu that allows you to send things to other dimensions, not as a genjutsu but actually send them is displayed by Kakashi when he uses Kamui. You mean to tell what Tobi has been using isn't Kamui?! BULLSHIFT!!!! lmao The technique Tobi does originates from his eye(the warp comes from his eye) it's a doujutsu as well....

 

[sageadvice]

He has no backstory and no reason to hate Uchiha, only Senju ... also isn't noted to be strong enough in comparison to Madara.
Tobi as Izuna fits better as Madara and Izuna were equal back in their younger days

why wouldn't he hate the Uchiha, too? He told them all that the Senju was playing the Uchiha for fools, and they all turned their backs on him. We know that he was around during the end of Tobirama's reign as Hokage. Thus, he could definitely have been the guy in the mask that Minato fought, especially since he likes masks that cover one eye. Yes, he did want to turn on the Senju before then, when the rest of the Uchiha dismissed such suggestion, but we don't know what happened next. Where did he go? He became Tobi. As far as power goes, who said that Tobi could fight Madara one on one? It seems to me that when Kabuto dialed Madara up, Tobi kind of freaked out a bit. Setsuna seems like the guy to me.

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[alexu9696]

I said their Susano'o are connected because of MS. not just because they're Uchiha & plus like I've said I continuously find new things that I add & update to my theory. I didn't really care about Tobirama until I read his bio & saw that he used S\T which actually helped my Danzou theory, since he was Tobirama's student he could have learn S\T from him. I didn't repeat you at all actually...

Who ressurected Izuna then? We haven't seen Izuna since his death. Your entire theory is a fictionally story since you theory is based around a "dead" man. So your Izuna Theory = Obito Theory. You said believe/think multiple times that means you're not sure of your theory either. You're using stories as well. The only fact about Izuna is he died, everything after that is a story too. Izuna is never shown alive after his burial. At least my theory has a person who died recently. Danzou

Facts for Nawaki:

Nawaki is the grandson of Hashirama
Nawaki died on the day Tsunade gave him Hashirama's necklace
Orochimaru was claiming to be Nawaki & 2 other genin sensei around this time
Orochimaru had already began secretly kidnapping Konohagakure's people for experiments
Orochimaru returned Hashirama's necklace to Tsunade
Orochimaru obtained Hashirama's DNA
Orochimaru injected Hashirama's DNA into Yamato

If any of you attended common biology you most likely know about genes, DNA, & dominant & recessive traits. Nawaki had Hashirama's DNA because thats his granddad whether they be recessive or dominant they were present in Nawaki. Orochimaru knew Tsunade had Hashirama's DNA as well but would never be able to kidnap her, for obvious reasons. So go for the weak little brother with GOD-like genes, right? Its not exactly stated that Orochimaru kidnapped Nawaki but c'mon chief CONNECT THE DOTS!!!!

& PLEASE POST HOW MADARA OR IZUNA CAME INTO POSSESSION OF HASHIRAMA'S DNA, with facts no assumptions either....

Cool story bro xdxdxd

I have a fictional story ? xd look at the poll bro izuna uchiha is number one guess for tobi identy

1 madara has a battle with hashirma to get his dna .. and guess what he did take hashirama Dna

2 madara get rinnegan before he died ... before he died he resurrected izuna

 

[0moi]

why wouldn't he hate the Uchiha, too? He told them all that the Senju was playing the Uchiha for fools, and they all turned their backs on him. We know that he was around during the end of Tobirama's reign as Hokage. Thus, he could definitely have been the guy in the mask that Minato fought, especially since he likes masks that cover one eye. Yes, he did want to turn on the Senju before then, when the rest of the Uchiha dismissed such suggestion, but we don't know what happened next. Where did he go? He became Tobi. As far as power goes, who said that Tobi could fight Madara one on one? It seems to me that when Kabuto dialed Madara up, Tobi kind of freaked out a bit. Setsuna seems like the guy to me.

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:sy: You just put a picture of Setsuna, Tobi, & Kagami.....
Also the middle pic is PS'd there was no glare there when he fought Konan

 

[sageadvice]

:sy: You just put a picture of Setsuna, Tobi, & Kagami.....
Also the middle pic is PS'd there was no glare there when he fought Konan

yes, yes, i did, since i think that setsuna and kagami are the most likely candidates. i don't really think izuna's a possibility.

So, side by side, you can see the similarity between setsuna and tobi and the lack of similarity between kagami and tobi. also, i don't think the middle pic is photoshop, but, if you have a better shot of that particular moment, you are welcome to create your own side by side.

 

[0moi]

Cool story bro xdxdxd

I have a fictional story ? xd look at the poll bro izuna uchiha is number one guess for tobi identy

1 madara has a battle with hashirma to get his dna .. and guess what he did take hashirama Dna

2 madara get rinnegan before he died ... before he died he resurrected izuna

1st off the facts portion are all facts use Google chief...

2nd you just used the poll as a fact #dead

3rd it is never said\shown that Madara possessed Hashirama's DNA

4th You're still using a fictional story, nowhere in the series does it show Izuna being ressurected nooooooowhere.... & You stated no facts what so ever smh

I'm actually kinda disappointed, you & Shin were holding ground until you said all the theories use fictional story, except yours; which is filled with the most fiction seeing as Izuna died before the series even started & hasn't been shown living except in a flashback

Your Theory Is Amoung Those Of:
The Elder Son
Obito Uchiha
Setsuna Uchiha

 

[cozolinofly]

Danzou's sensei Tobirama, was known for using S\T you mean to tell me Danzou couldn't have learn S\T from him? Just because Danzou "dialogue" never hints that he controlIed Kurama means nothing. Danzou was Root's leader, the king of secrets damn near, why would he even bring jp what took place back then? Oh he never did.... that's right he took it to his grave. I talk more of Danzou ability to control Kurama in the other quote response below.

Shin did you seriously just post Susano'o is a technique only Itachi\Sasuke can use .... Chief Susano'o is a MS technique, Madara had MS are you forgetting basic shit now? Itachi obtained MS from Shisui's death, Sasuke gained MS from Itachi's death, Madara obtained MS from Izuna's death. Don't be ignorant all of a sudden lol

What Uchiha have you seen us Kamui? I'll wait.... All Uchiha don't possess the same special skills, Shisui was the only Uchiha that possessed KA, Obito was the only Uchiha that possessed Kamui learn your facts chief....

Ha you're pretty bold for that statement, all the theories of Tobi have holes;

How was Izuna able to get a sharingan to fight Minato? If I recall his eyes were taken by Madara then he died. If he was revived he would be brought back with no eyes. Even if he killed an Uchiha & took their eye how would he be able to control Kurama with just a regular sharingan? The only Uchiha sharingan I know off that was taken was Shisui's & Danzou & Itachi had 1 each.

According to you Madara gave Nagato his rinnegan before he died. Nagato wasn't even aware of Tobi until he was much older. I'm pretty sure he wasn't doing RT all wheely neely aroung that time. So when exactly was Izuna revived?

How does Izuna have Zetsu parts? Orochimaru kidnapped & killed Nawaki & gained Hashirama's DNA from him thus making Zetsu. Are you telling me Izuna went & asked Orochimaru to do surgery? I think not.

Danzou = Tigerstripe Mask

Danzou was the founder of Root, were he ruled with an iron fist, going so far as to make his members fight to the death. Orochimaru was in Root. It is fact that Orochimaru did surgery on Danzou giving him Hashirama's DNA.It is also fact that he possessed a sharingan. Are you still saying he didn't have the qualifications of being Tobi?

Danzou had the motives to do everything Tobi did back then. He possessed the traits needed to control Kurama. He played a major part in the Uchiha massacre. His stature fits Tobi. Tobi's injuries during the fight with Minato fit as well.

I'm quite sure you can find holes in my theory, & I can find holes in yours as well, the Izuna theory isn't the best theory chief....

im trying to find an insult but you my friend ..you are unique in this case::sy::sy:

 

[sageadvice]

oh, Omoi, you are a Danzo guy? You realize he's dead, right? And Tobi's still alive? And that Tobi and Danzo were in the same place at the same time during Sasuke's fight with Danzo? Or are you one of those multiple-people guys? If the latter, I think it's really hard to pull off a Dread Pirate Roberts situation, when the Space-Time jutsu is so unique and consistent through all of the times he's appeared.

 

[cozolinofly]

oh, Omoi, you are a Danzo guy? You realize he's dead, right? And Tobi's still alive? And that Tobi and Danzo were in the same place at the same time during Sasuke's fight with Danzo? Or are you one of those multiple-people guys? If the latter, I think it's really hard to pull off a Dread Pirate Roberts situation, when the Space-Time jutsu is so unique and consistent through all of the times he's appeared.

actually he says the one who helped Itachi and fought Minato was Danzo but the guy is so retarded that he doesnt even give us a good explination of how Danzo could use Tobi S/T during his fight with minato and all those Zetsu shit: ..seriously:sy:

 

[alexu9696]

1st off the facts portion are all facts use Google chief...

2nd you just used the poll as a fact #dead

3rd it is never said\shown that Madara possessed Hashirama's DNA

4th You're still using a fictional story, nowhere in the series does it show Izuna being ressurected nooooooowhere.... & You stated no facts what so ever smh

I'm actually kinda disappointed, you & Shin were holding ground until you said all the theories use fictional story, except yours; which is filled with the most fiction seeing as Izuna died before the series even started & hasn't been shown living except in a flashback

Your Theory Is Amoung Those Of:
The Elder Son
Obito Uchiha
Setsuna Uchiha

Madara has wood release he got hashirama dna and izuna uchia is not fictional is the best option the rest of theoryes are made fron fan fiction

 

[0moi]

Madara has wood release he got hashirama dna and izuna uchia is not fictional is the best option the rest of theoryes are made fron fan fiction

Where is Madara shown using or even possessing mokuton before Edo? & I'm not saying Izuna Uchiha is fictional, he was indeed a real shinobi, & Madara's brother, what I am calling fictional is your theory since not a single part of it has any leverage.

Madara isn't shown with Mokuton before Edo
Madara is never shown saying he had or even possessing Hashirama's DNA
Madara is never shown ressurecting Izuna
Madara \ Izuna are never shown meeting Nagato

All fiction on your behalf, no facts at all

actually he says the one who helped Itachi and fought Minato was Danzo but the guy is so retarded that he doesnt even give us a good explination of how Danzo could use Tobi S/T during his fight with minato and all those Zetsu shit: ..seriously

Who do you think Tobi is again?.... I'll wait....

 

[Sasuke2]

Some people are just retarded ...

 

[Armathyx]

It's not interesting if it's Izuna.. like, isn't Tobi's identity supposed to be important? Who cares if it's just Izuna? He might be Madara's brother but it would still bring no impact on the series if he was revealed to be Izuna... and he would have no point wearing a mask either.

 

[0moi]

Some people are just retarded ....

You guys throw the word "retarded" around entirely too much smh, Sasuke2 who do you think Tobi is again?....

 

[cozolinofly]

You guys throw the word "retarded" around entirely too much smh, Sasuke2 who do you think Tobi is again?....

the most logical theory is Izuna and maybe Kagami but i see no reason for Kagami ...so Izuna+some zetsu shit=Tobi ..

 

[0moi]

the most logical theory is Izuna and maybe Kagami but i see no reason for Kagami ...so Izuna+some zetsu shit=Tobi ..

Danzou + Hashirama's DNA + Shisui's sharingan = Tobi

 

[sageadvice]

there are two shisui eyes. one itachi had, and one danzo had. when tobi tried to retrieve danzo's eye, danzo's body self-destructed along with the eye, a point that tobi found very frustrating. it's setsuna.