That, or.... the Elder son, who inherited the So6P's eyes...which were rinnegan...........
Just sayin, but that's a reasonable theory I suppose. Still, I think the Juubi's eye looks more like a .... a..... a...sharrinnegan.
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Just sayin, but that's a reasonable theory I suppose. Still, I think the Juubi's eye looks more like a .... a..... a...sharrinnegan.
I believe that Tobi must be a blood relative of Tobi or someone just as close. The idea of Madara splitting up himself is also worth a shot. Since nobody knows if Tobi has an EMS of what sort of Sharingan did he use to put Kurama under his control during his fight against Kushina and Minato(later ordering it to destroy Konoha). Unlike Madara he is yet to show of Higher level Dōjutsu except Izanagi and how Nagato acts as a link between the two seems to suggest that the wars ware all part of the 'Greater plan' of Tobi-Madara Pair...
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In first considering Tobi's identity, I tried to take a more wholistic approach and started looking at elements that tied both the protagonist and antagonist together. I've looked at several of the characters, their tie-ins to the common storyline theme, and each other. I apologize in advance for the length, and any trips to the optometrist or psychiatrist the theory may cause.
Hanzou:
Shisui:
Danzo:
Nagato:
Itachi:
Madara:
Zetsu:
Jiraiya:
Minato:
Elder and Younger Sons of So6P:
Tobi:
Kurama
Conclusion:
Hanzou:
Tried to unite the five countries to bring about peace and fought a war to do so (Sound familiar? Don't worry I'm not going to say Hanzou is Tobi). During his war against the Leaf he takes on, defeats, and names the three legendary Sennin. Later he teams with Danzo from the Leaf to betray the Akatsuki. My first initial thought was why would you "buddy-up" and try to setup ambushes with a group you recently were in a war against? I realize that they were playing "quid pro quo" and if this were the only question I would dismiss it, but there are other inconsistencies. Another part that seems strange for Hanzou was his sudden inability to remember folks names. Hanzou could barely remember who Mifune was, despite specifically asking for his name when he spared his life.
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. In the same exchange with Mifune, Hanzo had a flashback to his own death. In the flashback, Hanzou struggled to remember Yahiko, another person he should have distinctly remembered. Nagato expressed his shock and dissapointment that this once formidable foe had declined
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. It doesn't seem reasonable that Hanzou, who went out of his way to know his most formidable adversaries names, would suddenly forget them. Another item that stretches belief was the body flicker technique he used to escape Gedo Mazo mid-attack
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. Now, think of this as a writer. Why was Hanzou's escape necessary? He did nothing noteworthy following the escape, but the escape itself was noteworthy because it speaks to the power that he had, a power that abandoned him shortly after confronting Nagato. Several main characters also questioned Hanzou's loss of power throughout the story. During the Pain arc, Jiraiya also expressed his disbelief upon hearing that Hanzou had been defeated. One could argue that this was a plot device to show how strong Pain was, but the fact that Pain also expressed surprise leads me to the conclusion that there is another factor at work. Changes also occurred with Hanzou's personality. In one instance he seems completely unfazed at the appearance of a Rinnegan on the battlefield, and later he spends his time hiding in his compound and second guessing his decision. People that are committed to bring about a war don't second guess themselves.Lot's of inconsistency here. First, he informs Itachi that he lost an eye to Danzo. Then tells Itachi to kill him in order to awaken his own MS (not sure how Shisui awakened MS but let's table that). Later the village says he drowned and had a suicide note. Can you imagine what the suicide note must have said? "To whomever finds my body. I am tired of all of the double dealings, so I am going to kill myself. Take no notice of my missing two eyes and arm. I had taken up painting in an attempt to overcome my depression but was such a fail I cut off my arm and gouged my eyes out. I would have cut off my other arm, but then I would not have been able to write this note, which proves it was a suicide. Sincerely Shisui." Not really, it actually said the following
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. Anyway, there is also the inconsistency with Itachi even needing this as an excuse. If Itachi was planning to wipe out his own clan in a few days/weeks, why bother? Then there is Shisui's missing body. If I'm trying to hide a body, I don't let folks find it to establish an alibi, then steal it and dispose of it so nobody can find it. Couple this with the fact that Itachi teams up with the guy who took one of his best friends eyes? The whole thing stretches belief and reeks of a powerful genjutsu.Danzo also had the stated goal that he wanted to bring about peace. He did this by systematically dismantling those perceived to be threats to the Leaf (guess someone needed to get him a dictionary). His most evil crime was the Uchiha massacre. He used Itachi's own pacifism as a weapon against him so that Itachi would be a double agent. Itachi supposedly tells Hiruzen the Elders an Danzo about the Uchiha plans and before Hiruzen can resolve the issue, Danzo, Tobi and Itachi take them all out. Prior to this Danzo mysteriously manages to get ahold of Shisui's eye. I don't know about you, but if my best friend says that someone took his eye, I'm not gonna go buddy-up with them and wipe out my entire clan on the premise that it was necessary. Itachi should have realized that even if there was a civil war of some kind, there would have been survivors on both sides. Also Hiruzen's failed attempts to negotiate with the Uchiha clan doesn't measure up to scrutiny. What kind of Coupe could it have been that the leader of the opposition is aware of it? This leads to a conclusion that some type of influence (possibly genjutsu) was at work that overwrote any other potential outcome. Then there is Danzo's need to combine Uchiha and Senju DNA. This need to combine these two blood lines occurs again and again with several characters.
Nagato first came into focus when Jiraiya infiltrated the hidden Rain village. Like Hanzou and Danzo he wanted to bring about peace. Together with Yahiko and Konan he formed the Akatsuki, and which were so successful in their attempts to overcome adversaries without killing, that Danzo looked upon them as his greatest threat. Hanzou sends word to Yahiko that he wants to negotiate, forms the alliance with Danzo, yada yada yada, I won't repeat. Couple of other parallels to point out other than his desire to pursue peace, and the complete 180 in his thinking as he abandoned his pacifist ways, the same way that Itachi did. The catalyst for this was the death of Yahiko, which led to the full realization of his Rinnegan abilities. It was the death of Yahiko that triggered something that proufoundly altered Nagato's belief system and not simply a desire for revenge. Look at Nagato's face following his full awakening of the Rinnegan. He is elated not upset or angry about Yahiko's death. Nagato begins defeating his enemies starting with Hanzou and was surprised when Hanzou could not remember him (see above).
If Shisui has a lot of inconsistency then Itachi is a walking self-contradiction. He started as a pacifist having been horrified by seeing war firsthand. Upon finding out about the Uhicha coupe plans, He teams up with a guy that took his best friends eyes. Wth? He gives up those pacifist ways and eliminates his entire clan including his parents. Wth? He teams with the Akatsuki to go hunt Jinchuriki? Wth? One of the most important messages that Itachi delivers to Kabuto is that he must accept who he is, he must stop trying to be something else. This message applies directly to Naruto as explained in the conclusion.
No big deal. just some random dude with no significance..... Alright, alright, sorry for going into troll mode. Madara is significant. We know that Madara did not die in his battle with Hashirama, however he probably did die shortly after his match with Hashirama. When he was summoned as an Edo Tensei as Kabuto's trump card, THAT WAS THE REVEAL. He is not Tobi. People that refuse to accept it, remind me of when Darth Vader told Luke Skywalker he was his father. People refused to believe it. Even when Luke accepted it before the movie ended people still didn't believe it, but I digress. How do we know that he died shortly after? One, he isn't aged and Edo Tensei brings you back in the state you are in when you die. Look at Granny Chiyo. When Kabuto tells him that he must not have died when facing Hashirama, Madara doesn't confirm or deny it either way. Also, he tries his Mokuton powers for the first time against the Kage. If he had the powers of Hashirama to keep himself young then how did he die, and why? In fact, Madara says point blank that only Hashirama can defeat him. Why? Because Hashirama did defeat him. When he is revived it was clear that he was expecting it to be Nagato. Now the big mystery is how did he know Nagato. The timeline just doesn't make sense. Time itself is a big factor throughout the story and the most powerful Jutsu's (i.e. FTG, Izanami, Kamui, Space-Time Migration, Barrier) revolve around it.
There are interesting correlations to Naruto's abilities with clones. Each of Naruto's clones is able to train and relay their experiences directly to Naruto and reduce the training time for Naruto. They also have the ability to gather and store nature energy and relay that back to the original. This is very similar to some of the functions that Tobi has Zetsu perform for him. Zetsu spams clones, records information, (though it is not clear how he is able to tranfer this information), and has the ability to gather and transfer stored chakra. When Naruto is in Sage Mode and in Biju Mode he has amazing sensory skills and Zetsu also has amazing sensory skills. Another interesting parallel that occurred in chapter 133 is that Naruto was shielded by Sasuke in his fight with Gaara. Later at the bridge Zetsu shielded Sasuke from a collision returning the favor. Zetsu appears to represents an experiment to combine Senju and Uchiha DNA, to recreate the body of the So6P. The combination has resulted in gaining simillar abilities to Naruto's clones.
Now, let me go on record that I am a Jiraiya fan. I know he had a lot of knowledge and power but Nagato had managed to get most of the highest ranked, most talented shinobi even Orochimaru to join, but for whatever reason he avoided doing this with Jiraiya. This seems very strange in light of the fact that Hanzou had dominated Jiraiya earlier in life but spared him, and then later Nagato took out Hanzou. Also, Itachi avoided a conflict with him while together with Kisame which confused Kisame. It was Nagato who confront him shortly after Tobi paid him a visit following Deidara's death. This was also when Tobi began to stop acting like a goofball. At this point Tobi shows more dominance with the Akatsuki, much more than he had ever presented before. There is a very strange moment as Tobi takes umbrance at Kabuto's mention that Jiraiya be brought back in Edo form.
Minato seems to know quite a bit from his fight with Tobi. Its said that all a high level shinobi needs in order to understand an opponent is to cross fists with them. I believe Minato knows quite a lot about Tobi and that he left him alive on purpose. Here is where Minato marked Tobi. It appears to have penetrated inside of his body.
And, here is Tobi saying the most cliche reference for every time traveling bad guy.
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and will probably be used by Naruto to follow him wherever and whenever he goes. Here is where Minato could have ended Tobi, but he didn't take the opportunity to finish him.
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And, here is Tobi saying the most cliche reference for every time traveling bad guy.
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.Not much is really known about the elder sons. We know that the elder inherited the Sages eyes and potent Chakra and the younger inherited his body which had amazing stamina and recovery and enormous spiritual energy. The Sage chose the younger son over the older because the older wished to pursue peace through power while the other felt that love and understanding were the keys to overcoming hatred. They spawned the Uchiha and Senju clans and bear striking resemblance to Sasuke and Naruto. The younger son even has a head protector like Naruto but doesn't have the whiskers. It make one wonder, if Kurama is completely pulled from Naruto would he still have whiskers?
Many thing tie both Tobi and Naruto together. They both have an ability to "change people". Tobi was curious how Naruto was able to convert Nagato and wanted to see first hand the person that had caused Nagato to betray him, so he went to Naruto's inn during the Kage meeting arc to converse with him. This would have been an ideal time for Tobi to take Naruto out since only Kakashi and Yamato were there. I believe the reason he didn't is because he needed the timeline to proceed to his own creation. Another curiosity are some actions taken by Tobi. He pauses, lingers, and respectfully closes Nagato's eyes following the fight with Konan. He takes umbrance with Kabuto's suggestion that Jiraiya be resurrected telling Kabuto not to push his luck. He has knowledge of some Kakashi's catch phrases about "Acting Tough" and has firsthand knowledge of Kamui and knows that it won't work on him. Both Tobi and Minato have space/time Jutsu and Naruto will probably learn the elements of space/time jutsu as well. Tobi has used chakra chains that are identical to Naruto and Kushina. In chapter 573
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we see that Tobi was unnerved when Naruto revealed that he knew the names of the tailed beasts. He says "that face". Take a look at the panel preceeding that then compare with the Dark Naruto conflict
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. Look similar? Both of them occur when Naruto is taunting an enemy who seems to know everything about him, but he is showing they don't, and their reaction is the same. So, it appears that Tobi has faced Naruto before and that he "knows the extent of his power and what he really is"
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. This is probably because he is no longer privy to all of Naruto's knowledge. There was also Tobi's inability to phase through Naruto's head which resulted in the headbutt. I believe this occurred because Naruto had already expunged his darker self, and now it cannot exist in the same space any longer. Tobi is also another word for jump and I believe that he not only jumps from place-to-place but from body-to-body and from time-to-time. Another item that ties most of the antongonists together is the desire to recreate the abilities of the So6P. Zetsu, Danzo, Madara, Orochimaru, Pain, Tobi all seem to be either part of an experiment or an attempt to recreate the So6P abilities. It is the obsession with the So6P's body that is of interest. Let's analyze Tobi's statement. I am Nobody, I am No One. We know the Kishimoto loves word play and who is in need of a body? A recently excommunicated piece of someone's conscious. Tobi's body will probably end up being Kagami atm, but it's the consciousness inhabiting that is the real issue and that consciousness is the darker part of Naruto. When Tobi put his hand on Naruto's head his intention was to pull the other conscious out and use Rinne Tensei to re-occupy. Hence his his comment regarding Nagato that Rinne Tensei was for his use. This consciousness seems to have the ability to combine with other consciousness like other Jinchuriki, Sasuke, and tailed beasts, which I believe is a unique ability of the Jinchuriki. Finally we have Tobi's own statement that this war will make all pasts, presents and futures irrelevant. Tobi feels justified in doing anything necessary including wiping out the Uchiha clan. Why? He intends to erase the timeline anyway so none of it will have ever happened.Kurama can recognize Dark Naruto who stated if there was one mistake he had made it was letting the Kyuubi catch site of him. Naruto's darker side wanted to grow strong and take revenge on those that tortured him, while Naruto chose to forgive. Later when Naruto rid himself of his darkness and confronted the Kyuubi, Kurama asked where the real Naruto was and recognized that he was dealing with a completely different person. Later in the struggle it looks as though Naruto might be overcome with the hatred of the Kyuubi and Kishi presents us with this image
It was very dramatic and a huge departure from the rest of the manga. It shows several souls in anguish. Some are asking Naruto for help, others telling him not to bother and wishing he weren't there, and others blaming Naruto for their torment. If these were the representation of the Leaf villagers when he was a kid, some of the comments are really out of place. The comment asking him "not to bother" is a very specific one that speaks to someone that knows what an outcome will be and doesn't want it to occur, this comment is foretelling Naruto's decision will result in their anguish.
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It was very dramatic and a huge departure from the rest of the manga. It shows several souls in anguish. Some are asking Naruto for help, others telling him not to bother and wishing he weren't there, and others blaming Naruto for their torment. If these were the representation of the Leaf villagers when he was a kid, some of the comments are really out of place. The comment asking him "not to bother" is a very specific one that speaks to someone that knows what an outcome will be and doesn't want it to occur, this comment is foretelling Naruto's decision will result in their anguish.
We should consider what the Sage Toad said to Jiraiya "You will have a disciple that will either save or condemn the world". Analyze that statement from a writer's perspective. Why would you have the negative there? You could just as easily say to Jiraiya "you will have a disciple that will save the world." So the fact that it is mentioned means that the writer is going to use it, and that it is a main part of the storyline. Kishi has already provided an easy out as to why the Sage Toad doesn't remember Naruto as being the So6P. He forgets who people are, a little bit lame but there you have it (or considering Hanzou maybe it's an amphibian trait). Another foretelling comes from the S06P about the future, but is he talking about the future or his own past when speaking to the tailed beasts? There are additional hints like Minato saying that as long as a Ninja System remains there will probably not be any peace. Jiraiya saying that someday he would have a student that would correct his past mistakes. Tobi saying this War will make all pasts presents and futures irrelevant. Even Kyuubi says to Naruto, if things are unbearable then he should "Erase Everything". The whole of Narutoverse seems to be stuck in temporal loop (like Izanagi, but not illusion) that occurred when Naruto made the wrong choice at the waterfall trying to gain control of the Kyuubi. He made the decision to try and expell his hatred, which resulted in the mistake and like Izanagi it must be corrected in order to escape. As Itachi said Naruto must accept and forgive himself in order to be the strong one and the So6P told the tailed beasts to follow the strong one. The story is much like the Buddhist cycle of rebirth. You continue to be reborn and are trapped in a loop, but you have the opportunity to pursue enlightenment, which will hopefully lead to Nirvana and end the cycle of birth as you obtain oneness with all.
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Uchiha Madara Senju
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In Ch. 559 we got a look at a resurrected Madara Uchiha via Edo Tensei. I honestly did not see this coming, and was pleasantly surprised. Like each chapter in this war so far, this chapter both answered and sparked questions, mostly the latter in this case. How could Madara Uchiha be revived if that masked man (Tobi as we'll refer to him from here on) claimed to be Madara? I mean, Tobi had some pretty convincing evidence he was Madara. He had a wealth of knowledge that would be characteristic of Madara should he be alive, he had a sharingan proving he was in fact an uchiha, he could use techniques that would also be characteristic of what Madara could do, so how could he NOT be Madara?
Madara Uchiha was revived, meaning he had to have died. When did he die though? you may ask. The most likely answer would be at Valleys End while fighting Harishima Senju, the Shodai Hokage who he so detested. Tobi claimed that he did not lose the fight, but instead used that fight to gain Harishima's DNA. Why would he need his DNA though? Here is where my theory begins...
It's been shown that Harishima's DNA is very peculiar in nature. His cells are particularly strong and his DNA is required to preform the Izanagi technique. It's also been shown that Tobi was able to create Zetsu out of Harishima's DNA. Rather, Zetsu is Harishima, at least the white half of Zetsu is his clone. It's currently unknown as to the origin of Black Zetsu.
What does this all mean? Well, I believe that using Harishima's DNA and Madara's DNA, Tobi was born. Tobi is the resultant of both of their bodies being "put together". It explains why Tobi bleeds this gooey white substance instead of blood, it explains why he's able to use Izanagi, it explains why Harishima and Madara were both able to be revived by Edo Tensei.
A flaw that I could imagine would be that.... I don't know exactly how Tobi could've been created...
As for the REAL Madara Uchiha (the one that was in the coffin), how did he know about Nagato? According to my theory, he died well before Nagato would've been alive. So for this, another theory has been proposed in the community. The theory that the Rinnegan has in some form the ability to commune with the dead!
If this is true, it would explain how Madara knew about Nagato. Somehow Tobi would've been involved with Nagato and this whole crazy scheme. However, why even mention Nagato? What does Nagato at this point have anything to do with the real Madara Uchiha?
Earlier in the series it was claimed by Tobi that he couldn't believe Nagato would betray him, and was even more surprised that he used his Gedo: Rinne Tensei no Jutsu (Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life technique; Gedo: Art of Rinne Rebirth) to revive all the people he killed in Konaha and then went on to say that he was saving that technique for his own use! I'm sure no one knew why really at this point, but it's clear now.
Tobi planned on resurrecting Madara Uchiha! Normally the technique has a duration after which the technique will not work for some unknown reason, but it's possible that because Tobi is a clone of Madara, he is a capable vessel for receiving Madara's soul. Maybe that's what Tobi meant by bringing himself back to his former "self". Tobi could be trying to restore "his" power through bringing Madara back.
Madara Uchiha was revived, meaning he had to have died. When did he die though? you may ask. The most likely answer would be at Valleys End while fighting Harishima Senju, the Shodai Hokage who he so detested. Tobi claimed that he did not lose the fight, but instead used that fight to gain Harishima's DNA. Why would he need his DNA though? Here is where my theory begins...
It's been shown that Harishima's DNA is very peculiar in nature. His cells are particularly strong and his DNA is required to preform the Izanagi technique. It's also been shown that Tobi was able to create Zetsu out of Harishima's DNA. Rather, Zetsu is Harishima, at least the white half of Zetsu is his clone. It's currently unknown as to the origin of Black Zetsu.
What does this all mean? Well, I believe that using Harishima's DNA and Madara's DNA, Tobi was born. Tobi is the resultant of both of their bodies being "put together". It explains why Tobi bleeds this gooey white substance instead of blood, it explains why he's able to use Izanagi, it explains why Harishima and Madara were both able to be revived by Edo Tensei.
A flaw that I could imagine would be that.... I don't know exactly how Tobi could've been created...
As for the REAL Madara Uchiha (the one that was in the coffin), how did he know about Nagato? According to my theory, he died well before Nagato would've been alive. So for this, another theory has been proposed in the community. The theory that the Rinnegan has in some form the ability to commune with the dead!
If this is true, it would explain how Madara knew about Nagato. Somehow Tobi would've been involved with Nagato and this whole crazy scheme. However, why even mention Nagato? What does Nagato at this point have anything to do with the real Madara Uchiha?
Earlier in the series it was claimed by Tobi that he couldn't believe Nagato would betray him, and was even more surprised that he used his Gedo: Rinne Tensei no Jutsu (Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life technique; Gedo: Art of Rinne Rebirth) to revive all the people he killed in Konaha and then went on to say that he was saving that technique for his own use! I'm sure no one knew why really at this point, but it's clear now.
Tobi planned on resurrecting Madara Uchiha! Normally the technique has a duration after which the technique will not work for some unknown reason, but it's possible that because Tobi is a clone of Madara, he is a capable vessel for receiving Madara's soul. Maybe that's what Tobi meant by bringing himself back to his former "self". Tobi could be trying to restore "his" power through bringing Madara back.
TobiXUchihaXSenju
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In my personal opinion Tobi is Obito and me and one of my friends have had this discussion many times. The only things that we came up with for the theory is that they have similar hair styles, the age Obito would be if didn't die, the fact the only eye you see is his right eye (until he gets the rinnigan), and if you move the t in Tobi to the end and add another o at the end of the obit but I know have accepted that I could be wrong
Yes ....just yes chief. I read this entire post & I'm in total agreeance[not sure if this is a word lol]. +REP. 1 question though, during the Tobi Vs. Minato do you think there is a slight chance that this was Danzou, seeings as he had bandages on the right abdomen to head side of his body during this time. And Orochimaru had already began experimenting on him at the time.
ALSO EVERYONE SHOULD READ Gyakusetsu POST!
If having a theory or an opinion of something = being dumb, then you also are "dumb" chief
Also what you just posted is considered spam, please provide an explanation to why you consider me dumb for posting a theory in a thread about.... well theories, & make sure it pertains to the thread....
.... & it's you're, don't call me dumb if all your grammar isn't correct
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Gyakusetsu
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He could have been he was definetly one in the chain of "infection", but a particular host isn't my focus. Thanks for reading it. I'll stop crying on my swing now.
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lmao no prob chief, just giving credit where it's due
....so many what? flaws? missing parts? What, your pc died? lol jk. But seriously though all the Tobi theories have plot holes, if not we would know who Tobi was already, right?cozolinofly said:
i think either obito, or obitos father, if it is obito it does seem a bit wierd that he has such wrinles under his eyes. but thinks mainly it is his father because he wants "revenge" or some shit like that for losing his son in the war, and that is why kakashis and tobi MS is so simmilar! sorry for bad grammar, its late and im norwegian
If we're going off MS similarities, you should say Obito then, because none of the Uchiha have the same MS. So Obito's father's MS would be different than Obito's. & your english is good, I've seen waaaay worsei think either obito, or obitos father, if it is obito it does seem a bit wierd that he has such wrinles under his eyes. but thinks mainly it is his father because he wants "revenge" or some shit like that for losing his son in the war, and that is why kakashis and tobi MS is so simmilar! sorry for bad grammar, its late and im norwegian
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Jade Uchiha
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Why do people keep saying you have to kill your best friend to obtain MS??
To obtain MS you have to feel the lose of losing the one you love the most itachi=shisui, Sasuke=itachi. Itachi didn't kill shisui but helped him erase his existence as someone mentioned earlier, but whether he really died or not, itachi lost him and felt that loss, thus having mangyeko before the massacre becase shisui had disappeared before then. And Sasuke, though he did fight itachi, did not kill him. Itachi died due to being sick as well as having no chakra left. He used the last of it sealing Amaterasu into Sasuke.
To obtain MS you have to feel the lose of losing the one you love the most itachi=shisui, Sasuke=itachi. Itachi didn't kill shisui but helped him erase his existence as someone mentioned earlier, but whether he really died or not, itachi lost him and felt that loss, thus having mangyeko before the massacre becase shisui had disappeared before then. And Sasuke, though he did fight itachi, did not kill him. Itachi died due to being sick as well as having no chakra left. He used the last of it sealing Amaterasu into Sasuke.
I agree completely with this and i always wanted to know if there was a thread about how u awaken the MS. Maybe this could explain how kakashi awakend his own MS since his life is full of tragedies! But really MS needs emotional reasons to awaken? Cuz i doubt if madara ever loved anyone, haha! As far as who tobi is i have no theory With good clues to support it. I think noone has !
Def Izuna Uchiha. His motive would be the same as Madara's. It would only make sense that the brothers would fight together again. Kishi is all about manipulating and changing relationships in the series. It makes sense that he would want to work with the Izuna/Madara brother relationship.
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