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[Cloudbuster]

Re: Tobi"s identity becoming more revealed, he is not human~( must read)

Tobi is a Time Lord ​

 

[Pizcobaby]

Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

I made this post like two days ago and it got taken down for no reason whatsoever.. So i tweaked it a little update it and here we go! Yeah I know it's another freaking Tobi theory but I tend to think it's rather valid so I just had to post. Don't flame please this is just my opinion of what I think is most likely the case =)

Ok so let's begin.

Pretense:
During Tobi's interaction with Konan he refers to himself as Madara. Now, unless Kishi is just a flat out terrible writer (which I assume most of us believe he isn't ), then Tobi wouldn't be lying. He knew he was going to kill Konan, he had no audience, he had no reason to lie, and Kishi obviously added it to get out the word - there would be absolutely no reason for him to say that have it not be true. NONE.
He simply could not be Obit for the sole reason that Obito was so much younger than him. If Tobi was Obito then it would have been a little teenage close to the age of Kakshi who attacked the village, and by no means did we see a teenager fight Minato. IF there was any relation between Obito and Tobi, it would be that perhaps Tobi found Obito's body and stole his eye therefore giving him the Spacetime Jutsu and perhaps he stole the name as well??? Either way that would be the absolute most part of him Obito could be - and if it were true there would be no way to know for now - Kishi would have to reveal it towards the very end (maybe soon with his fight with Kakashi?)

Part 1:
Ok I'll try to keep this as short as I can. It is my firrrrrm believe and I am almost 100% sure this to be the case with Tobi. Madara long ago was able to master both Izanagi AND the newly introduced Izanami. Why would Kishi introduce a jutsu so late if it didn't have a crucial root to characters? But that isn't the only reason, like Izanagi Izanami has to deal with fate and reality and such. According to Itachi, this technique and Izanagi form a pair, but unlike the latter, which is a technique capable of altering destiny, Izanami is instead one that "decides" it.
This would make complete relevance and justify all the times Tobi has hinted that he knows what's going to happen in the future(like he did against Konan). It has been foreshadowed a million times.

Part 2:
This part is more of an assumption based on facts:

Therefore looooooong ago prior to his bout with the first Hokage, Madara knew what his destiny would be: he knew he would either die or get defeated by the first so he created Tobi. Tobi in my opinion is part of him maybe a blood clone or something(a jutsu that creates an exact copy of somebody) - or some sort of formulation where Madara carries on throughout Tobi letting his body die to the first. (The resurrected body would still be Madara up that point ), or maybe he split himself or SOMETHING. So Tobi would be created to carry on Madara - and one day bring his body back to life. That's why he said he "wanted to use the Rennigan (for himself.)" He would have such foresight to know perhaps details about the future. Possibly he know he would be resurrected just now how - Kabuto resurrecting wouldn't be part of the plan - or maybe his foresight just couldn't see exactly what happens all those years in the future. Either way it's my belief Tobi wanted to resurrect Madara but never got the chance thanks to Kabuto.

As to certain specifics like how Madara came to master Izanami I can't say without making too big of a leap.:shrug:

Anyways please read all of it I tried to keep it as short as possible but meh!!!
Thanks and let me know if you think it has any holes I'll edit / respond accordingly. Hope you guys enjoyed.

 

[sVPunisher]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

Izuna is immortal due to Madara casting Izanami on him.

 

[sasukexx13]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

I cant take it.......Another tobi thread wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh(No offense)

Kishi please show us the F******G tobi face

 

[Edge]

Re: Tobi"s identity becoming more revealed, he is not human~( must read)

looks can be decieving

Alright, so If I'm looking at Tobi's arms and legs or even his hair then I may be being deceived and they're actually tentacles or appendages?

 

[Pizcobaby]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

Izuna is immortal due to Madara casting Izanami on him.

mmmm? ehh Izuna died the whole clan knew it and he was burried unless by casing Izanami his body died but he lived on through Tobi a creation, clone, or another person.. meh could be??
:izuna:

 

[dolama]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

Tobi isn't a creation or any clone of Madara. In the episodes, Tobi's skin is clearly darker than Madara's when he fought Konan and his mask broke. Secondly, Izuna's dead. Madara said Izuna died. He never said Izuna was alive.

 

[0moi]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Srsly do you really beleive what you ve wrote there in your summary?

If i make my own theory, and say that Tobi is an alien from mars, and make up a whole ridiculous story about that nonsense ( like you did ) of course someone will say that my "theory" is bullshit.



What?

Chief it's a theory.....PERIOD, hell for all I know the whole thing can be wrong but what I'm trying to get in your mind is if someone says a theory, let them have a theory sheesh. To call someone's theory **** is like saying they shouldn't state opinions. And if you read my latest posts on this thread you will notice I said F it the manga keeps revealing plausible inserts, I'll just wait for Tobi to be revealed. If you think our theories are trash, then somebody will definitely think yours doesn't add up.....Tobi is the Elder Son-this means hes older than Madara, and Hashirama meaning he's in his 200s?!- What makes you so sure it's the Uchiha's ancestor?..................I'll wait....

*notice how I didn't knock your theory just added my knowledge to your statement and asked you to explain? Try it*

 

[Pizcobaby]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

Tobi isn't a creation or any clone of Madara. In the episodes, Tobi's skin is clearly darker than Madara's when he fought Konan and his mask broke. Secondly, Izuna's dead. Madara said Izuna died. He never said Izuna was alive.

Animation can change - and skin can definatly change over age. The third hokage is a great example he has much lighter skin in the memorium of him being named the hokage by the 2nd - then his skin was much darker as an old man... that is a terrible idea hahaha.

 

[Prince Charles]

Re: Tobi"s identity becoming more revealed, he is not human~( must read)

Alright, so If I'm looking at Tobi's arms and legs or even his hair then I may be being deceived and they're actually tentacles or appendages?

:scorps:

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Re: Tobi"s identity becoming more revealed, he is not human~( must read)

Well the toad never said directly what it is
so we can just speculate whether its a human or something else

 

[BasedNaruto]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

I thought tobi theories go in a seperate place? :shrug:

Spoiler

I think Tobi is a creation, only to see the sole purpose of his plan coming alive.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

I know who Tobi really is! Considering he has a laboratory full of eyess. He is......an OPTHAMOLOGIST xd

 

[Cynic1]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Ive read plenty of Tobi = Obito threads, and that might be the reason why im a little pissed of about that, because these theories are always crap

I didnt say i am 100% sure that Tobi is the elder son.., i just said that it doesnt sound like bullshit, and by that, i mean the theory is well made and the creator of that theory did some research before he wrote it
Well at least, the Elder Son clearly had motives to do something like the Moon-Eye-Plan -
Obito doesnt even have that, he sacrificed himself for the sake of his friends, gave kakashi an awesome present, and died in piece.

So why should he suddenly get insane, and want to take controll over the world? Because he got incluenced by Orochimaru? What could Orochimaru tell him, something like " Kakashi and Rin are making fun of you kukukuku" ?
Why should Zetsu even save him, instead of eating his corpse, like he always does.

See?
The Elder Son Theory clearly had some things in it that make sense and are
understandable. But your Th obviously does not make sense.

 

[0moi]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but worth it

I made this post like two days ago and it got taken down for no reason whatsoever.. So i tweaked it a little update it and here we go! Yeah I know it's another freaking Tobi theory but I tend to think it's rather valid so I just had to post. Don't flame please this is just my opinion of what I think is most likely the case =)

Ok so let's begin.

Pretense:
During Tobi's interaction with Konan he refers to himself as Madara. Now, unless Kishi is just a flat out terrible writer (which I assume most of us believe he isn't ), then Tobi wouldn't be lying. He knew he was going to kill Konan, he had no audience, he had no reason to lie, and Kishi obviously added it to get out the word - there would be absolutely no reason for him to say that have it not be true. NONE.
He simply could not be Obit for the sole reason that Obito was so much younger than him. If Tobi was Obito then it would have been a little teenage close to the age of Kakshi who attacked the village, and by no means did we see a teenager fight Minato. IF there was any relation between Obito and Tobi, it would be that perhaps Tobi found Obito's body and stole his eye therefore giving him the Spacetime Jutsu and perhaps he stole the name as well??? Either way that would be the absolute most part of him Obito could be - and if it were true there would be no way to know for now - Kishi would have to reveal it towards the very end (maybe soon with his fight with Kakashi?)

Part 1:
Ok I'll try to keep this as short as I can. It is my firrrrrm believe and I am almost 100% sure this to be the case with Tobi. Madara long ago was able to master both Izanagi AND the newly introduced Izanami. Why would Kishi introduce a jutsu so late if it didn't have a crucial root to characters? But that isn't the only reason, like Izanagi Izanami has to deal with fate and reality and such. According to Itachi, this technique and Izanagi form a pair, but unlike the latter, which is a technique capable of altering destiny, Izanami is instead one that "decides" it.
This would make complete relevance and justify all the times Tobi has hinted that he knows what's going to happen in the future(like he did against Konan). It has been foreshadowed a million times.

Part 2:
This part is more of an assumption based on facts:

Therefore looooooong ago prior to his bout with the first Hokage, Madara knew what his destiny would be: he knew he would either die or get defeated by the first so he created Tobi. Tobi in my opinion is part of him maybe a blood clone or something(a jutsu that creates an exact copy of somebody) - or some sort of formulation where Madara carries on throughout Tobi letting his body die to the first. (The resurrected body would still be Madara up that point ), or maybe he split himself or SOMETHING. So Tobi would be created to carry on Madara - and one day bring his body back to life. That's why he said he "wanted to use the Rennigan (for himself.)" He would have such foresight to know perhaps details about the future. Possibly he know he would be resurrected just now how - Kabuto resurrecting wouldn't be part of the plan - or maybe his foresight just couldn't see exactly what happens all those years in the future. Either way it's my belief Tobi wanted to resurrect Madara but never got the chance thanks to Kabuto.

As to certain specifics like how Madara came to master Izanami I can't say without making too big of a leap.:shrug:

Anyways please read all of it I tried to keep it as short as possible but meh!!!
Thanks and let me know if you think it has any holes I'll edit / respond accordingly. Hope you guys enjoyed.

Please stop making these THREADS!!!!!!. There are plenty "Tobi Theory" Threads, you could have easily just posted on the 1 with the most replies(sign it's most likely still active)

Also you seem to forget Danzou may have been "Tobi" during Kurama's 2nd Attack on Konohagakure, he had already taken Shusui's eye, already recieved Hashirama & Mito's fuuinjutsu scrolls, thus making him able to somewhat control Kurama with Kotoamatsuki.

 

[0moi]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Ive read plenty of Tobi = Obito threads, and that might be the reason why im a little pissed of about that, because these theories are always crap

I didnt say i am 100% sure that Tobi is the elder son.., i just said that it doesnt sound like bullshit, and by that, i mean the theory is well made and the creator of that theory did some research before he wrote it
Well at least, the Elder Son clearly had motives to do something like the Moon-Eye-Plan -
Obito doesnt even have that, he sacrificed himself for the sake of his friends, gave kakashi an awesome present, and died in piece.

So why should he suddenly get insane, and want to take controll over the world? Because he got incluenced by Orochimaru? What could Orochimaru tell him, something like " Kakashi and Rin are making fun of you kukukuku" ?
Why should Zetsu even save him, instead of eating his corpse, like he always does.

See?
The Elder Son Theory clearly had some things in it that make sense and are
understandable. But your Th obviously does not make sense.

But how does he live over such a long period of time? Remember he recieved the eyes, hir brother recieved the body(longevity is obviously the younger brothers thing.....)

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

But how does he live over such a long period of time? Remember he recieved the eyes, hir brother recieved the body(longevity is obviously the younger brothers thing.....)

Zetsu?

 

[Shin Zangetsu]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

But how does he live over such a long period of time? Remember he recieved the eyes, hir brother recieved the body(longevity is obviously the younger brothers thing.....)

That possibility and the reasoning behind it should be obvious bro. Here's your answer.

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[naruto kyuubi]

Re: Tobi's history (Possible)

Kabuto didn't make Edo Madara's body younger, he can't do that. Madara didn't die THAT old. He obviously met Nagato and gave him the Rinnegan. So let's say he did that right when Nagato was born, or at least a few months after he was born. According to my research, Nagato is about 46 years old. So Madara was alive 46 years ago to give Nagato his Rinnegan. Madara would have been about 56 years old at the time. He would have died pretty much right after he gave Nagato his eye...since, well, he doesn't have eyes anymore then.

So is it that hard to believe that the way Edo Madara looks now does not correlate to him being 56? Look at Jiraiya and Orochimaru. They are both 54, and don't have wrinkles. Edo Madara basically looks like them, his body is only 2 years older, so it makes sense.

yes when you put it like that its possible

 

[Ender Wiggin]

Re: (for people who don't mind reading) DONT RULE OUT KAGAMI AS TOBI

Great theory,i like the way u added obito and others in it so all the fanboys wouldn't be upset.