[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[Kyno]

Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.

heres what i noticed.. every photo of madara you can only see his left eye, and well with tobi, you could only see his right eye..

I jst think that maybe, he only has 1 eye EMS? xd

you could see in one page above.. that madara only took the left eye.. maybe jst maybe both the UCHIHA brothers madara and izuna are still alive and both shared there eyes with one another.. just a thought.. i dnt have any proof or anything.. I know madara said that "what was the point of my brothers sacrifice.." or somthing.. but still, i havent seen madara with both eyes having EMS..

He used susanoo. In order to use it ameterasu and tsukyomi need to be unlocked in each eye. At least mangekyo has to be unlocked in both eyes, and Tobi has never used mangekyo. I believe most theories involving coorelation to madara are flawed in this aspect, and the fact that madara unlocked the rinnegan while fighting hashirama. I don't wanna go into that unless someone calls me out.

 

[Kyno]

Re: [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

Can we please stop saying Tobi has ms? It cannot be proven at all. It is just speculation. If you can show me one instance of TOBI, not madara, not Izuna, but Tobi using or eluding to the use of ms, then please show me and continue to use it as a variable in his identity. But until you can prove that he has the mangekyo, don't say that he has it. I could argue that he doesn't have it and that is why he needs sasuke, but that has very little evidence except for the fact that he needs naruto to draw him out, maybe to his full potential and assume himself unlocking rinnegan just like madara.

 

[Abd100]

Re: [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

^ true, also izanagi is a sharingan jutsu, not ms one.

 

[p0002q]

Re: [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

If it's been said, we think alike I just haven't posted about this particular idea.


I think Madara created Tobi using Izanagi....

The So6p took the 10 tails, and used izanagi's powers.

He created the 9 seperates beasts using the "black" half of the izanagi power
Then using the "white" half, he brought life into the 9 creations via the 10T chakra.


I think Madara was getting close to death and did the same thing in a way.

He created Tobi from Izanagi, and provided power to his creation via Zetsu + Transferring some of his own power into Tobi.

Tobi was to carry on Madara's will... which also included "controlling" Nagato and letting Nagato grow with the rinnegan's power. (I think Madara was too weak to use the rinnegan to it's full extent)

When Madara was brough back as an edo, he said "that brat Nagatao managed to grow". to me that says Madara's soul left the afterlife with the idea that his Tobi creation would eventually use Nagato to bring his soul back. (I'm sure there is more to it than that, perhaps bringing him back in his "prime" condition, but with rinnegan eyes - kinda like how Kabuto did it).

But I'll stop there, cuz i'm sticking with the who\what is Tobi idea

 

[EMS RNNG]

another tobi theory

I know that maybe some of you already read this, I'm reposting it beacause the first time i put it on the forum was so late in the night and i want more people sharing opinions :

ok guy's I'm new around here so I don't know if someone already though about this, but anyway, please leave your thoughs

So I went almost over all Tobi theories around the forum and found some really interesting the most convincing is Tobi=Kagami.

We know that this guy was in Tobirama's team, with Hiruzen, Danzo, the 2 other elders and the Akimichi guy, we saw all of them later when the Kyubi attacked Konoha, we also saw that Danzo and the Uchiha were missing, we don't know if Kagami is already dead or if he(Tobi) worked along with Danzo and the Uchiha in oreder to attack Konoha. Tobi from TOBIrama maybe?

I'm convinced that Madara, Kagami and Obito are all related. As we know Hiruzen was the student of the first and the second hokage, so I think that Kagami may be possibly Madara's son and not some kind of clone, hatred clone, genjutsu or Sasuke from the future crap. I beleive that Kagami being Madara's son may explain how the 2 men know each other and seems to work together, he carry the hatred of his father, he helped to murder the clan that betrayed his father, he claimed to be had his father's powers in sing of repect, he also said that he admired Hashirama and hated him beacause he defeated Madara, so the guy definitely knows Hashirama and Kagami was definitely around in Hashirama's era.

Maybe Kagami used the DNA of the zetsu to make his life longer which explains the use of izanagi and the white fluid. By being madara's son he may also took the Rinnegan when Madara died, then he put it in Nagato.

Then my theory of Obito being Kagami son! Asuma is about the same age as Kakashi and Kakashi the same age of Obito, so if Asuma was the son of Hiruzen maybe Obito is the son of Kagami, it perfectly make sense. So when obito was crushed by the boulder he took obito's eye and that may explain his wrapping ninjutsu that looks a lot like Kakashi but perfected maybe with some of Tobirama's space-time ninjutsu.

This may also explain why he said to Kakashi "I'll deal with you latter" he maybe what to take revenge on his son.
:shrug:
That pretty much it, if I missing something please tell me nd if I'm wrong please say it, leave comments.

 

[Pain1215]

Re: [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

Can we please stop saying Tobi has ms? It cannot be proven at all. It is just speculation. If you can show me one instance of TOBI, not madara, not Izuna, but Tobi using or eluding to the use of ms, then please show me and continue to use it as a variable in his identity. But until you can prove that he has the mangekyo, don't say that he has it. I could argue that he doesn't have it and that is why he needs sasuke, but that has very little evidence except for the fact that he needs naruto to draw him out, maybe to his full potential and assume himself unlocking rinnegan just like madara.

Itachi told sasuke once that if u gain MS u'll gain the power to control bijus.
Tobi easily controlled Kyubi which is the most powerful biju so he has MS.
If u carefully observe the panels when tobi tried to gain control over kyubi when he attacked konoha , u can see kishi intentionally crossed a panel where kyubi eye changes from normal sharingan to MS.

 

[Young Thug]

Re: another tobi theory

So you're telling me that Tobi is Kagami's son/family member? People already think it's a stretch to even assume that Tobi is Kagami since he really didn't have a backstory.

 

[Aze]

Re: [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

Itachi told sasuke once that if u gain MS u'll gain the power to control bijus.
Tobi easily controlled Kyubi which is the most powerful biju so he has MS.
If u carefully observe the panels when tobi tried to gain control over kyubi when he attacked konoha , u can see kishi intentionally crossed a panel where kyubi eye changes from normal sharingan to MS.

It would be more awsome , if Tobi used Regular Sharingan too controll the Kurama...

That means he Regular Sharingan is unique and no one else has it.

 

[smitten]

Re: another tobi theory

I wouldnt dismiss this theory. Anything is possible in kishi world.

 

[EMS RNNG]

Re: another tobi theory

So you're telling me that Tobi is Kagami's son/family member? People already think it's a stretch to even assume that Tobi is Kagami since he really didn't have a backstory.

I'm saying Madara is Kagami=Tobi father, and Obito is Kagami son maybe? I know Kagami doesn't have a backstory but I think that make more sense than a Completely new character... :shrug:

 

[Rozzy]

Re: another tobi theory

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[CJ Mac]

Re: another tobi theory

This is just another Tobi is Obito theory. Granted I don't think that anyone has drawn a link between Obito and Kagami, but let the horse die already. If you think you have an idea about Tobi, there is a thread for it. Otherwise, just wait and see what Kishi reveals in the coming chapters.

 

[Yokima Yagame]

Re: another tobi theory

I know that maybe some of you already read this, I'm reposting it beacause the first time i put it on the forum was so late in the night and i want more people sharing opinions :

ok guy's I'm new around here so I don't know if someone already though about this, but anyway, please leave your thoughs

So I went almost over all Tobi theories around the forum and found some really interesting the most convincing is Tobi=Kagami.

We know that this guy was in Tobirama's team, with Hiruzen, Danzo, the 2 other elders and the Akimichi guy, we saw all of them later when the Kyubi attacked Konoha, we also saw that Danzo and the Uchiha were missing, we don't know if Kagami is already dead or if he(Tobi) worked along with Danzo and the Uchiha in oreder to attack Konoha. Tobi from TOBIrama maybe?

I'm convinced that Madara, Kagami and Obito are all related. As we know Hiruzen was the student of the first and the second hokage, so I think that Kagami may be possibly Madara's son and not some kind of clone, hatred clone, genjutsu or Sasuke from the future crap. I beleive that Kagami being Madara's son may explain how the 2 men know each other and seems to work together, he carry the hatred of his father, he helped to murder the clan that betrayed his father, he claimed to be had his father's powers in sing of repect, he also said that he admired Hashirama and hated him beacause he defeated Madara, so the guy definitely knows Hashirama and Kagami was definitely around in Hashirama's era.

Maybe Kagami used the DNA of the zetsu to make his life longer which explains the use of izanagi and the white fluid. By being madara's son he may also took the Rinnegan when Madara died, then he put it in Nagato.

Then my theory of Obito being Kagami son! Asuma is about the same age as Kakashi and Kakashi the same age of Obito, so if Asuma was the son of Hiruzen maybe Obito is the son of Kagami, it perfectly make sense. So when obito was crushed by the boulder he took obito's eye and that may explain his wrapping ninjutsu that looks a lot like Kakashi but perfected maybe with some of Tobirama's space-time ninjutsu.

This may also explain why he said to Kakashi "I'll deal with you latter" he maybe what to take revenge on his son.
:shrug:
That pretty much it, if I missing something please tell me nd if I'm wrong please say it, leave comments.

Rep + for the good work

 

[EMS RNNG]

Re: another tobi theory

Rep + for the good work

thanx men .. Thoughs?

 

[Yokima Yagame]

Re: another tobi theory

thanx men .. Thoughs?

It could be ,but there are things we don't know about Uchiha Kagami ,lets wait until Kishimoto tells us more about him

 

[Jayaraman MinatoItachi]

Re: another tobi theory

Tobi is Izuna........ Sick of tobi theories......

 

[ronus]

Re: another tobi theory

Nice thoughts.
+rep for that.
Well they might close your thread but anyway you have described quite well though there are still many moles. Keep it up.
Welcome to NB.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Re: another tobi theory

Kagami was basically just a filler, it was just one flashback of Danzo and he was this random guy in the background. Its hard to prove or disprove anything about him because we don't really know anything, duh.

This is an overdone topic, and even an overdone theory.

 

[ReapTermin]

Tobi is Izuna Uchiha

Well, let me start by saying that there is a high chance that Tobi is not Obito. I believe that Tobi is Izuna Uchiha... or at least a mere copy of him created with Zetsu and an Uchiha's Sharingan. We all know that Madara acquired Hashirama's DNA while they both fought. I think that Madara, after taking Izuna's eyes, created a clone of Izuna or merged Izuna's body with Zetsu and another Uchiha's eye(This can explain his whiter skin and regeneration powers). Zetsu clones are weaker than the original. This might actually explain why Tobi has never been in a fight were he's really tested to his limit(Naruto vs Tobi... Tobi didn't really fight, he was just controlling Edo Mazo).

If you look at Tobi's hair... you can see that he has the Uchiha color and style(I know we can't go by this, but it's still important). On Chapter Tobi spoke to Sasuke and told him that Izuna Uchiha willingly gave him his eyes(Tobi still called himself Madara here). How can he possibly know that? This is why I think that Tobi is Izuna... not Obito.

Have you all seen the episode where Itachi gave Naruto Shisui's eye? Itachi gave Shisui's eye to Naruto... if Itachi can do this... imagine what Izuna or Madara can do, considering they are way more powerful than him. We all know that Izuna and Madara are very old. When Tobi fought Konan... half of his mask was blown off. Right there you can see that his right face is all wrinkled(Old age or actually Obito after the right part of his face was crushed).

But what really has me thinking... why did Madara say Nagato's name? Was he resurrected before? Was he alive alive prior to his current resurrection? Does Madara and Tobi share a connection since they both have the Rinnegan?

What's your opinion?

Note: I might update this as new ideas pop into my head.

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[BusinessManTeno]

Re: Tobi is Izuna Uchiha

.........Tobi isnt Izuna Uchiha. Izuna Uchiha is the guy who checks the Custom jutsu threads from time to time. :|