[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[EonForce42]

Re: "Tobi is Fugaku" theory--->Tobi can be any Uchiha

Tobi is obviously someone around Madara Uchiha's time because he planned with him.

 

[Rune]

Re: tobi could be the uchiha bros dad?

No, Itachi's father was for Konoha, he was part of the protection police (was it the Anbu? Can't remember now) and he was proud when Itachi became part of the Anbu. He said it's what's expected of his son. So don't think so no.

 

[ReapTermin]

Split Personality

Madara is alive within Tobi's body, notice how Tobi is childish and Madara is a serious bad ass, Tobi has split personalities. Madara either preserve his mind by switching bodies within Uchihas. I'm thinking why at the first moment he called himself "Tobi"? Maybe it's his real name and he was like Nagato and the others, without parents and born when there was war. Damn I want to know and at the same time not to, 'cause I think that shortly there will be the end of Naruto's manga.

Doesn't anyone wonder how Edo Madara knows about nagato when he is resurrected? Did he see the future? Or was he resurrected before prior to Nagato's birth?

2 possible reason. Tobi actually had the Rinnegan and gave it to Nagato or Madara was resurrected when Nagato acquired the Rinnegan. Maybe Tobi called himself Nagato.

 

[EMS RNNG]

Another tobi theory

ok guy's I'm new around here so I don't know if someone already though about this, but anyway, please leave your thoughs

So I went almost over all Tobi theories around the forum and found some really interesting the most convincing is Tobi=Kagami.

We know that this guy was in Tobirama's team, with Hiruzen, Danzo, the 2 other elders and the Akimichi guy, we saw all of them later when the Kyubi attacked Konoha, we also saw that Danzo and the Uchiha were missing, we don't know if Kagami is already dead or if he(Tobi) worked along with Danzo and the Uchiha in oreder to attack Konoha.

I'm convinced that Madara, Kagami and Obito are all related. As we know Hiruzen was the student of the first and the second hokage, so I think that Kagami may be possibly Madara's son and not some kind of clone, hatred clone, genjutsu or Sasuke from the future crap. I beleive that Kagami being Madara's son may explain how the 2 men know each other and seems to work together, he carry the hatred of his father, he helped to murder the clan that betrayed his father, he claimed to be had his father's powers in sing of repect, he also said that he admired Hashirama and hated him beacause he defeated Madara, so the guy definitely knows Hashirama and Kagami was definitely around in Hashirama's era.

Maybe Kagami used the DNA of the zetsu to make his life longer which explains the use of izanagi and the white fluid. By being madara's son he may also took the Rinnegan when Madara died, then he put it in Nagato.

Then my theory of Obito being Kagami son! Asuma is about the same age as Kakashi and Kakashi the same age of Obito, so if Asuma was the son of Hiruzen maybe Obito is the son of Kagami, it perfectly make sense. So when obito was crushed by the boulder he took obito's eye and that may explain his space-time ninjutsu that looks a lot like Kakashi.

This may also explain why he said to Kakashi "I'll deal with you latter" he maybe what to take revenge on his son.
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That pretty much it, if I missing something please tell me nd if I'm wrong please say it, leave comments.

 

[gutSy Sage]

Re: Another tobi theory

i totally think there is a connection between kakashi's sharingan and tobi's..

 

[Kyno]

Re: reason why tobi is not obito, how the F@#$ could obito have mastered his shringan

Well, first off, the time space ninjutsu is seperate from the sharingan. Secondly, kakashi does not have the sharingan kekkei genkai, so of course it will be harder to perfect it. Obito, if he were Tobi, may not have needed back his sharingan because no one knows how long he had his second one for. Your argument is weak, but at least it isn't stupid.

 

[Kyno]

Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

Please read all before commenting. For a sense of the whole document just read the closing statement.

Ok, I'm not gonna use reasons that you've already heard before, although many of them I feel are legitimate. We must first come to a basic conclusion. It is almost without a doubt that Tobi does not posses ms. For starters he has never not once even had it active. I'm not going to question why he would never use it if he had it, because somebody would give a ridiculous answer about not needing it or wanting to hide it. Instead, lets look at actual ms user tendancies. I don't think that we've ever seen someone who possessed ms ever not use ms. I'm just saying that this makes me seriously doubt he possesses it but at the very least confirms that it is not a character we know who has/had ms. That brings us down to 4 possible options. He is either Obito, Kagami, Hikaku, or an uchiha having been completely unaccounted for. The later I think we can skip because of the fixation the manga gives on Tobi's true identity. Although not entirely impossible, I believe it would be impractical if we have not seen at least a little bit of the shinobi who became Tobi. That brings us to Hikaku, who, while not that practical considering his name was not mentioned except in a databook, was an uchiha possessing only the three tomoe sharingan, and to be fair he is a option for Tobi. Now for a more reasonable option, Kagami. While he is not a very large or main character, he was mentioned and given a role in the First ninja role. Kagami gives an acceptable age, a sharingan, and, having been a part of a war, a mental break could have caused a twisted mind frame that Tobi seems to have. Also his hair matches. Also, Kagami does not have a specific description of when he died, so that he survived as Tobi is not impractical. Now here is I think the most practical, obito. He has no ms. Unlike all the other options, Obito has an actual need for the reconstruction seen in Tobi, seemingly white Zetsu like arms. Although the lack of one sharingan is a problem, he seems to know very well how to remove an eye/dojutsu, so it is possible he, having said he helped Itachi I believe, could have taken one during the uchiha massacre. Obito also knew enough about minato's TS ninjutsu to devise a plan against it before having seen it again in combat, which might have come from Tobi's first hand experience. Obito "died" during the third shinobi war and so was probably close to the hidden rain. He could have gone there after revival, putting him at the place where he supposedly convinced Yahiko to found akatsuki and the place where he helped awaken nagatos rinnegan. This list should be enough. Of the three named options, Obito is the one who produces the most connections. And lets not for get the obito to Tobi anagram(after taking out one O.

While the other options are practical, obitos need foe reconstruction, lack of ms, and placement have me convinced that Tobi is either obito, Kagami, nameless uchiha' or random eye stealers. But because of the focus put on Tobi's identity I believe he can't be a random character and has to be either Kagami or more probably obito.

 

[laggygaga]

Re: Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

So pretty much your last sentence says he could be anyone. Good job buddy. Didn't know that.

I believe Tobi is Tobi. He doesn't have to anyone we've heard about before.

 

[EMS RNNG]

Re: Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

All, theories are good until we know his true identity. I definitely think has some link with Obito but Tobi=Obito I don't think is going to happen. I'm more like Tobi=Kagami

 

[EMS RNNG]

Re: reason why tobi is not obito, how the F@#$ could obito have mastered his shringan

I completely agree Tobi is NOT OBITO, but I still think that Obito has some kind of link with Tobi. I think that Kagami=Tobi and Obito bieng his son, I made a thread about this a little while ago

 

[avinashandar]

Re: Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

may be true lets see what kishi does to bewilder us

 

[Tsujan9484]

Re: Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

I am having chicken for lunch:|

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[Kyno]

Re: Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

So pretty much your last sentence says he could be anyone. Good job buddy. Didn't know that.

I believe Tobi is Tobi. He doesn't have to anyone we've heard about before.

Well I said he could in theory be anyone, but that it would be stupid. I included that it could be anybody in order to amplify the fact that I believed Kagami and obito were the only logical prospects.

 

[Kyno]

Re: Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

So pretty much your last sentence says he could be anyone. Good job buddy. Didn't know that.

I believe Tobi is Tobi. He doesn't have to anyone we've heard about before.

Also if Tobi is Tobi what was the point in calling himself Madara, hence making Tobi a cover name?

 

[Enchanted Champion]

Re: Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

Tobi is the sage of six paths son that lost the battle to his brother. You heard it here first

 

[Rami105]

Re: Tobi is (probably) Obito, legit reasons

ahh the great theory's about who Tobi really is

it could be anyone maybe some new character who isn't introduced in the series

But my money is on kagami uchiha

 

[Pizcobaby]

Yeah another Tobi theory - but very good

MMMKKKK this is just what I think would be cool and has a lot of logic to it - just my opinion so don't flame please =). I kind of respect all of the facts and the neat connections people have made about Tobi being Obito, but it simply cannot be - they are from different time periods. At most Tobi could have taken Obito's one eye when he died and now used it for himself, and maybe that's another story that Kishi could get into at the end of the series, but that is truly as far as any connection they have to each other can go because Obito was the same age as Kakkashi and when we saw Obito fight the fourth, Kakashi was a teenager - meaning Obito would have been a teen. And it certainly was not a teen who fought the fourth.

He is Madara or some part of Madara. Kishi isn't a terrible writer - he would never put in the part of Tobi telling Konan before he kills her that he is Madara if it were not true. It was only those two and he was going to kill her right after so why on earth would he lie? If it isn't true then Kishi is a terrible writer and I don't think anybody thinks that. The Konan vs Tobi fight made at least a 4 minute talking session for that alone between just them two, so why would it be a lie?

My theory?
Part 1:
Tobi is Madara originally. Madara's body died during his fight with the 1st but somehow he continued to live in another. The Madara that Kabuto resurrected is what he was up until that body died.
- It could probably have something to do with the Izanami, I mean after all why would it be introduced so late in the series if it didn't have some connection to the past? Perhaps Madara mastered Izanami and Izanagi at the same time. The Izanami is similar but different to Izanagi in that instead of altering destiny, it allows somebody to create destiny in itself. This is perfect for what Madara said to Konan when he was speaking with her about how he knew things about the future and such. So through mastering both Izanami and Izanagi together in unison he lived and transcended the ages.

Ok so the first part of my theory is something I firmly believe and am almost 100% sure will happen, now here is the leapish part of my theory that might be a stretch but is just what I think is most likely to be.
Part 2:
Having full use of Izanagi and Izanami, Madara is absolutely sure what will happen in the future. He is sure Tobi will succeed, he is sure of all that can happen within his own future, and he is sure that he will get resurrected somehow, (either by Nagato's Rinnegan as Tobi stated when he said to Konan that the Rinnegan was supposed to be used for himself, or via Kabuto). I personally think he knew he would get resureccted just not how so he presumed it was through the Rennigan and was surprised to see it was actually Kabuto who did it. (I'll get to why he wouldn't know with both Izanagi and Izanami mastered in a minute).

THEREFORE!!! - Madara either divided himself in two or put a part of himself in something or somebody (this would be tobi) knowing full well the first would kill him and he would return in the future. Because he devided himself or put part of himself in something else he lost the use of Izanami as it may have died with his body. That could be why Tobi wasn't sure of the future. As to the ending of my theory - Tobi and Madara will eventually become the same entity again or something along the lines of that.

The first part I know almost for sure will become true and I will be sooo happy to have called it if it does. As for the second part - that was kind of a leap because I still don't know enough, but it seems to be a possibility in my mind, or at least what I think would be coolest.
Let me know if you think there are any holes I"ll edit or address em.

Sorry for the long post - pllllllease read all of it I think/hope you will really enjoy it rather then a chore of reading another dumb theory post. THANKS =).

 

[OG9TAILS]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but very good

I've had a theory close to this one, but one of my views leans towards Muu's body split jutsu. This jutsu allows him to split his being leaving each half with limited ability, which would leave Tobi saying he's a shell of his former self. The other theory is, just like the SO6P created the tailed beast I believe Madara created Tobi, using Izanagi's true ability since he possessed true rinnengan eyes.

 

[Kyno]

Re: [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

Tobi has made everyone believe he is Madara, including Itachi, Kakashi, the Kages and others. Maybe he is doing this to throw everyone off, or maybe he has a plan involving Madara (which explains why Tobi was shocked looking at Kabuto's coffin, i think the coffin had Madara's body in it). Why?
Because after reading Chapter 501, we can conclusively say that Tobi (the man in the mask) is not Madara. He has achieved the same level of skill as Madara with EMS, but its not Madara. Let me explain

We know from Sasuke vs. Itachi fight that the power of the MS is to control the Kyuubi:

When Itachi began to tell Sasuke that awakening the MS leads to blindness, sasuke responded by saying this:

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So we know that although MS leads to blindness, it also allows one to control the fox. But the condition is that the Fox must be loose. If the Fox is in a Jinchukriki, MS cannot control the Fox. This is why TOBI told Kushina that he waited so long for Naruto's birth. Simply put, he needed the seal to be undone if he was to control the Kyuubi.

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But here is the thing: We know what Madara's MS and EMS looks like. We have seen it several times:

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Not only this, but we also know what Madara's EMS looked like while he was controlling the Kyuubi during the Hashirama fight:

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It clearly looks like the same EMS Madara had always had. So, we can say for sure that Madara's EMS did not look any different when he was specifically controlling the Kyuubi.

But what do we see in 501?
The masked man who controlled the Kyuubi with his MS once Kushina could not hold it in anymore looks completely different!!!! Here we see an image of the Kyuubi's eyes reflecting the change in Madara's eyes.. (we all know that when sharingan users control bijuu or summons, whatever the user's sharingan looks like becomes reflected on the beasts eye) (we saw this when Sasuke controlled Manda)

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That sharingan is NOT Madara's sharingan. It is a completely different design
The middle pupil grows untill the tomoes are pushed out to the edge. This is the masked man going from sharingan to MS. Again, Tobis Sharingan looks nothing like Madara's Sharingan

Therefore Tobi is NOT madara. I dont know who Tobi is but its not madara. The proof is in the pudding. People should just put this issue to rest already.

Ok, can we please acknowledge that Tobi did NOT use ms to control the nine tails, has NEVER used ms, and therefore you CANNOT argue that he has it. There is just not a definitive way. Stop the confusion.

 

[Kyno]

Re: Yeah another Tobi theory - but very good

MMMKKKK this is just what I think would be cool and has a lot of logic to it - just my opinion so don't flame please =). I kind of respect all of the facts and the neat connections people have made about Tobi being Obito, but it simply cannot be - they are from different time periods. At most Tobi could have taken Obito's one eye when he died and now used it for himself, and maybe that's another story that Kishi could get into at the end of the series, but that is truly as far as any connection they have to each other can go because Obito was the same age as Kakkashi and when we saw Obito fight the fourth, Kakashi was a teenager - meaning Obito would have been a teen. And it certainly was not a teen who fought the fourth.

He is Madara or some part of Madara. Kishi isn't a terrible writer - he would never put in the part of Tobi telling Konan before he kills her that he is Madara if it were not true. It was only those two and he was going to kill her right after so why on earth would he lie? If it isn't true then Kishi is a terrible writer and I don't think anybody thinks that. The Konan vs Tobi fight made at least a 4 minute talking session for that alone between just them two, so why would it be a lie?

My theory?
Part 1:
Tobi is Madara originally. Madara's body died during his fight with the 1st but somehow he continued to live in another. The Madara that Kabuto resurrected is what he was up until that body died.
- It could probably have something to do with the Izanami, I mean after all why would it be introduced so late in the series if it didn't have some connection to the past? Perhaps Madara mastered Izanami and Izanagi at the same time. The Izanami is similar but different to Izanagi in that instead of altering destiny, it allows somebody to create destiny in itself. This is perfect for what Madara said to Konan when he was speaking with her about how he knew things about the future and such. So through mastering both Izanami and Izanagi together in unison he lived and transcended the ages.

Ok so the first part of my theory is something I firmly believe and am almost 100% sure will happen, now here is the leapish part of my theory that might be a stretch but is just what I think is most likely to be.
Part 2:
Having full use of Izanagi and Izanami, Madara is absolutely sure what will happen in the future. He is sure Tobi will succeed, he is sure of all that can happen within his own future, and he is sure that he will get resurrected somehow, (either by Nagato's Rinnegan as Tobi stated when he said to Konan that the Rinnegan was supposed to be used for himself, or via Kabuto). I personally think he knew he would get resureccted just not how so he presumed it was through the Rennigan and was surprised to see it was actually Kabuto who did it. (I'll get to why he wouldn't know with both Izanagi and Izanami mastered in a minute).

THEREFORE!!! - Madara either divided himself in two or put a part of himself in something or somebody (this would be tobi) knowing full well the first would kill him and he would return in the future. Because he devided himself or put part of himself in something else he lost the use of Izanami as it may have died with his body. That could be why Tobi wasn't sure of the future. As to the ending of my theory - Tobi and Madara will eventually become the same entity again or something along the lines of that.

The first part I know almost for sure will become true and I will be sooo happy to have called it if it does. As for the second part - that was kind of a leap because I still don't know enough, but it seems to be a possibility in my mind, or at least what I think would be coolest.
Let me know if you think there are any holes I"ll edit or address em.

Sorry for the long post - pllllllease read all of it I think/hope you will really enjoy it rather then a chore of reading another dumb theory post. THANKS =).

Great theory, and I can't disprove the split theory, but if Tobi was lying to Konan, that doesn't make kishi a bad writer. I argue that he believed he embodied Madara, but I also can't prove that except for that he stopped calling himself Madara and said his name was nothing. If he was madara, I think he would still refer to himself as him, although if he was a clone split from Madara he could feel like nothing but power. Nice theory