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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

i think that tobi is really just someone who is using obito's body or maybe a brainwashed obito and heres why. if u notice that everytime tobi gets in a fight if he is ever injured it always seems to happen to his right side(obitos crushed side which is probably replaced with zetsu). when he fought danzos guy who controlled the bugs they attacked his right arm he cut it off and bled zetsu white stuff. when he fought konan and got hit by all those paper bombs it showed him losing alot of only his right side yet again and he always leaks white from that side.
 

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Tobi is older son

I do most humbly apologize if a similar thread has already been posted. The only threads I could find were not fully supported nor explained. and .

My theory is that Tobi is the Sage of the Six Path's first son.

Firstly, Tobi has incredible powers. He says he has EMS, you can walk right through him. He has the sharigan and the rinnegan, the former powerful enough to control tailed beasts. He was powerful enough that Minato assumed he was Madara, and when he did claim to be Madara, people took his word for it (except for how old he is and when the 'real' Madara came alive via edo tensei. He is an exceptional shinobi. However, since Madara was reawakened, Tobi cannot be Madara (unless he somehow split his soul). Tobi then has to be someone powerful. In chapter 462, it says that "The elder son was born with the sage's 'eyes'...and was gifted with powerful chakras and spiritual energy." Both the sharigan and rinnegan came from the elder son. It would then make sense that Tobi has both the sharigan and the rinnegan, possibly. When he fights Konan - - he had two sharigans. We know that when Tobi was first introduced he had a sharigan. And supposedly he 'gave' the rinnegan to Nagato, and then took it back ( )

Then that raises the question of where did he get the rinnegan to begin with. The first record of the rinnegan was the Sage of the Sixth Paths. It was considered to be a myth. That's why Jiraya was so surprised when he saw that Nagato had it. But if Tobi gave Nagato the rinnegan, that means either he got it from someone who had the rinnegan before and we don't know about (unlikely option), Tobi was born with it, or the Sage himself. I believe Tobi (the elder son) was born with it, as he inherited his father's eyes. We have seen Tobi with one sharigan, two sharigans, and a sharigan and a rinnegan. Assuming that rinnegans are hard to come by, he would probably have to been born with at least one (or stole one from the Sage). Sharigans he does have in mass supply ( )

If Tobi was not born with it, he is at least compatible with it. If he was not born with it, and he didn't get it from the Sage and since he gave it Nagato, then there must have been someone else with the Rinnegan. Tobi calls Nagato the "third of the sixth paths". If the Sage was the first, and Nagato was the third, who was the second? Either someone else, or Tobi, or the elder son, or Tobi/elder son.

he states that he has uchiha and senju blood. Which implies that he IS a Sage of the Six Paths. But he never claims to be the Sage of the Sixth Paths, just Madara with the powers of the Sage. A sage must have senju and uchiha powers. Note that he says that he collected some of senju power from the 1st Hokage when they fought. That would be true if Tobi was Madara. But seeing that Tobi is not Madara, where did he get senju power? It is possible that he picked it up after the fight, however.

Secondly, I think its safe to assume that he has some sort of immortality, or at least he has the ability to live a long time. , it could be a trick of the light, I'll accept that, but notice how he's half white and half dark. Who else do we know that is like that? Oh, right. Zetsu. So if Tobi is made out of similar material that could give reason to why he has lived so long, and how he can create another limb for himself after Konan blows him apart.

Thirdly, Tobi is bent on revenge. Or, more accurately, he is obsessed with the feudal struggle between senju and uchiha. He says multiple times how he will make Sasuke and Naruto fight each other or how it is fated that they do so. Madara was obsessed similarly, that is true. But so was the eldest son. I suppose all Uchihas are in some way or another, but nevertheless.

Lastly, chapter 395 is titled: "The Enigma That is Tobi". An enigma means "a person of puzzling or contradictory character." Take that how you will.
 

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Re: Tobi is older son

I do most humbly apologize if a similar thread has already been posted. The only threads I could find were not fully supported nor explained. and .

My theory is that Tobi is the Sage of the Six Path's first son.

Firstly, Tobi has incredible powers. He says he has EMS, you can walk right through him. He has the sharigan and the rinnegan, the former powerful enough to control tailed beasts. He was powerful enough that Minato assumed he was Madara, and when he did claim to be Madara, people took his word for it (except for how old he is and when the 'real' Madara came alive via edo tensei. He is an exceptional shinobi. However, since Madara was reawakened, Tobi cannot be Madara (unless he somehow split his soul). Tobi then has to be someone powerful. In chapter 462, it says that "The elder son was born with the sage's 'eyes'...and was gifted with powerful chakras and spiritual energy." Both the sharigan and rinnegan came from the elder son. It would then make sense that Tobi has both the sharigan and the rinnegan, possibly. When he fights Konan - - he had two sharigans. We know that when Tobi was first introduced he had a sharigan. And supposedly he 'gave' the rinnegan to Nagato, and then took it back ( )

Then that raises the question of where did he get the rinnegan to begin with. The first record of the rinnegan was the Sage of the Sixth Paths. It was considered to be a myth. That's why Jiraya was so surprised when he saw that Nagato had it. But if Tobi gave Nagato the rinnegan, that means either he got it from someone who had the rinnegan before and we don't know about (unlikely option), Tobi was born with it, or the Sage himself. I believe Tobi (the elder son) was born with it, as he inherited his father's eyes. We have seen Tobi with one sharigan, two sharigans, and a sharigan and a rinnegan. Assuming that rinnegans are hard to come by, he would probably have to been born with at least one (or stole one from the Sage). Sharigans he does have in mass supply ( )

If Tobi was not born with it, he is at least compatible with it. If he was not born with it, and he didn't get it from the Sage and since he gave it Nagato, then there must have been someone else with the Rinnegan. Tobi calls Nagato the "third of the sixth paths". If the Sage was the first, and Nagato was the third, who was the second? Either someone else, or Tobi, or the elder son, or Tobi/elder son.

he states that he has uchiha and senju blood. Which implies that he IS a Sage of the Six Paths. But he never claims to be the Sage of the Sixth Paths, just Madara with the powers of the Sage. A sage must have senju and uchiha powers. Note that he says that he collected some of senju power from the 1st Hokage when they fought. That would be true if Tobi was Madara. But seeing that Tobi is not Madara, where did he get senju power? It is possible that he picked it up after the fight, however.

Secondly, I think its safe to assume that he has some sort of immortality, or at least he has the ability to live a long time. , it could be a trick of the light, I'll accept that, but notice how he's half white and half dark. Who else do we know that is like that? Oh, right. Zetsu. So if Tobi is made out of similar material that could give reason to why he has lived so long, and how he can create another limb for himself after Konan blows him apart.

Thirdly, Tobi is bent on revenge. Or, more accurately, he is obsessed with the feudal struggle between senju and uchiha. He says multiple times how he will make Sasuke and Naruto fight each other or how it is fated that they do so. Madara was obsessed similarly, that is true. But so was the eldest son. I suppose all Uchihas are in some way or another, but nevertheless.

Lastly, chapter 395 is titled: "The Enigma That is Tobi". An enigma means "a person of puzzling or contradictory character." Take that how you will.
^ You could be correct about this. I mean...Tobi is unusually knowledgeable about past events like about the Sage of Six Paths, The Juubi, and the two boys that inherited his eyes and spiritual powers.

He knows a bunch about all of the Mangekyo Sharingan techniques. Izanagi, Susanoo, etc. He knows a little "too much."

Plus, he can manipulate time and space and he even has his own dimension...a place where he might not age that much ya know.

And as far as him knowing a bunch of secrets about Madara Uchiha, well, he could of watched him grow up and stuff.

One final thing. If he's the Eldest Son, then it's his right to have all of those Sharingan he keeps in glass jars, correct?

I still can't explain as to why he would get all bent out of shape when Kabutomaru revealed to him who was inside the Sixth Coffin. I mean, if he is the Elder's son, then why would he care or become intimidated? Perhaps, he was frustrated that everyone in the war will know that him being Madara is a false alias, or perhaps Kabuto knows who he is.

Anywho, I like your theory very much. + rep.
 

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I think Tobi is an old Edo Tensei summon done by the 2nd Hokage just before he died ... but who? I don't know .. someone from around that time ....
 

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I think its because Madara could pose as a threat to him. Madara did collect some of the 1st's powers in their battle, so he would be difficult to defeat.
 

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Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

I have a feeling that Tobi and Zetsu are similar beings. I think the most likely explanation is this (short version):

Madara was able to get some of Hashirama's DNA/Cells/Jutsu before he died.

Before his death Madara plants his eyes (which at that point had evolved to a rinnegan, remember) in a being similar to Zetsu, which he created using the DNA, and that being is Tobi.

At some point he is able to get his hands on a "Spare" Sharingan. Given that he had the sharingan during his fight with Minato, it is likely that his Sharingan is neither Shisui's or Obito's. But another older, unnamed Uchiha. If I remember rightly he has been pictured in a flashback or something in a room full of Uchiha eyes in capsules, athough this could have been a fanpic I saw at some point. But if this is indeed the case, it's likely that he would have access to multiple sharingans.
It's important to note as well that the resurrected Madara doesn't (seem to) have the space-time jutsu that Tobi does. Suggesting that the Sharingan belonged to someone other than Madara.

At this point he decides to implant this sharingan and hand the rinnegan over to Nagato. He has pointed out that he gave Nagato his rinnegan.

When Nagato died, Tobi took the eyes back, stating they were his in the first place.

Why did he fear Madara's resurrection? Probably because the new Madara would most likely want HIS eyes back. Or maybe that he was using the whole calling himself Madara thing as part of his plans which may have been slightly ruined when everyone realised he wasn't actually Madara.

Tl:dr
Tobi is a white Zetsu which Madara created and gave his eyes to before he died.
 
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Tobi is madara! sort of

hey i have a theroy on who tobi really is! he is a clone of madara. i'm not taking shadow clone but like a clone we would find in the real world. meaning he could go in a full fight without turning into a puff of smoke. here is why: madara created tobi so he could carry out madara's moon plan in case anything happened to the real madara. hence why the mask and tobi saying this: ■(To Naruto and Killer B) "The war has already begun... My name no longer matters. You can call me by my old name, Tobi, if you prefer. Madara, Tobi... call me whatever you want."
■(To Naruto and Killer B) " I'm no one... I don't want to be anyone. All I care about is completing the Eye of the Moon Plan.
he is no one cause he is a clone and the the moon plan is his only reason. tobi gave nagato the Rinnegan and this is from wiki:
Forcefully removing his coffin's lid before voicing his assumption that Nagato had finally used the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique to bring him back from the dead. now tobi can control the tailed beasts so can madara. also check this out during madara battle he does this: after which he complements Kabuto on his preparation, before asking if he knew of their plan. Notified of Kabuto's uncertainty that the "fake" will act accordingly-naruto wiki.
i'm thinking that when kabuto showed tobi madara's corspe tobi wasn't scared and went along because he was scared of madara but because it wasn't time to summon him using the Rinnegan. also i believe tobi was created weaker compared to madara so to a. go somewhat unoticed for a while. and b. so tobi would know his place and never challenge madara hence why tobi is no one. also he uses allot of shanigan not to be touched meaning his chances of surviving battles and complete the plan would be much greater. and it also explains how come tobi know so much about madara and everything else. how he was created idk but this fits really well considering how smart and powerful madara is. thoughts?
 

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Re: Tobi is madara! sort of

hmm nice theory +rep but what kind of bunshin would he be? maybe a mokuton bunshin as we know madara gained the abilityes of harishima before he died?
 
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Re: Tobi is madara! sort of

i doubt no offence madara would have an assistant due to his over whelming power and he looks down on everyone but the first (but bearly). as for his son thinking too much star wars lol and how would his brother get his eyes back? maybe it's like a zetsu type deal but only with watered down versions of madara's powers? i'm just thinking we are getting close to the end and it would be almost too much to go in and introduce the enter back story of a brand new character and this might be an easier way of coming up with who tobi is. but hey who knows @ this point?
 

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Re: Tobi is madara! sort of

i think its all gonna come down 2 madara brother some way are another not quite sure how yet but its gonna blow everyones mind
 
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