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[The Hidden Shinobi]

Re: The last tobi = obito thread :')

+rep! Although I do not think tobi directly is Obito, I reckon Obito does play a major part in this.

1) Why would Kishi introduce Obito around Akatsuki time and why would he dedicate a few chapters to his background story.

2) Tobi has a similar Sharingan power to Kakashi

3) Name similarities

These are just a few basic reasons, the only major flaws are the ageing & Sasuke and Kisame recognised him under the mask, but I still think he plays a part, maybe as a shell for Madara in some sort of way? Who knows! Good reasons in there though, especially the Zetsu arm bit, never noticed that. But the picture of Tobi with long hair (number 1) what chapter or episode is that from, I don't recognise it!

That is a drawing I was just showing examples of tobi's appearance changes but I think it is based of when he met with itachi or kisame

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Re: The last tobi = obito thread :')

good job, people need to not be close minded and open their eyes to all possabilities. one thing that ticks me off is that everyone was so sure that tobi was madara and still is and insist on calling him obito because the are so stuck on not calling him tobi, his origional given name, we still do not know his true identity so we should use the iddentity given to him, if ppl are so stuck on not calling hime tobi, we can call him no name, he even says that he doesnt care who he is. now, take these things into consideration
madara is the only uchiha known to unlock the renningan, near his death, possably had some senzu dna left in him or quite possably stole some of the 1sts?
now, we do know that madara had died or would have been unable to have been revived
madara spoke of pain presuming a plan he had involving pain reviving him or at least knowing that pain had recieved the eyes if it twas not him who had implantedc them in hime on his own accored at least somewhere in his bloodline, possably with his parents whom also did not like the leaf wich madara saught to destroy and tried to attack leaf soldiers to make sure nothing happened to pain or to awaken pains eyes
however, this was more around the time of the 2nd hokage, quite sometime after madaras given death date, even if it was a final illusion and he ran away from the battlew to live a while longer, or as we have seen from others, could have sealed half of is soul or something away till a different given date,
pain was a child during the second ninja war and was uzumaki wich were related to senju, renningan required uchiha and senju
obito was a child during the third ninja war
\now, we absolutly know that zetsu has something to do with tobi's being, and we know madara knew of pain who was born during the 2nd nin WW but "died" during the 1st nin WW
obito, again 3rd nin ww, him and his comrades were attacked by two of those from an opposing land, however, thier purpose seemed nonsensical, possably manipulated or just wondering and came accross obitos group. now, obito hadnt seemed to have an ounce of bad in his blood but tobi had said that all uchiha were bound to go down the path of blood and hatred, we could never see this in inocent obito
however, tobi seems vary confused about his own path and srived for one goal and one goal alone,now, wether madara had plans of his own and tobi had plans of his own, or possably that they had planned together is unknown
now, tobi wants to become complete and we see that he uses sharingan and he uses renningan and he has dna of zetsu wich is dna of the first, however, his eyes wont become one, y? is he missing uchiha dna?or something else
he says he doesnt char what you call him or what he is, but it seems he is a patched up dool of parts
madar took his brothers eyes and his blood mixed with his brothers eyes combining thier individual eyes to one
sasuke replaced his with itachi's, he had unlocked EMS, or had itachis eyes had EMS previously? and given that itatchis body heals and "ETERNAL", would his normal MS be EMS? it seems that sasuke and itatchis susanoo combined
again, tobis body seems lacking or missing something yet put together by parts that wont unite completely or work together fully
now, Kakashis eyes can warp and teleport things, tobi is able to do the same yet more controled and due to zetsus dna, is able to phase through the earth and trees themselves
now, Madara clearly has plans and Tobi clearly has plans, wether their plans corralate or not dont seem to be known, possably they collide against eachother for madara had planned on pain bringing him back somehow or just that he believed his eyes had something to do with his revival, tobi did not seem to give to shits of pains death and even perhaps planned for it to take his eyes for himself to bring back madara on his own terms and possably unite with hime or control him with the moons eye? or to bring him back as part of some plan
now, it is safe to assume that tobi does have obitos eye given the teleportation abilities and i cant remember wther he had 2 or 3 comma on when seeing kakashi, but wether or not it is tobis body with thos eyes or if he is even in control of it is quiestionable for again, his eyes are not uniting, maybe tobi has two halfs?
ahh ha, now, we have seen, past tobi(when he faught minato) was very serious(like black zetsu) mid tobi was ridiculous and silly (like white zetsu) hav we seen him go from silly to serious or just seen him silly and seen him serious? he is curently vary serious and still needs to be complete
why is black tobi so important and lacking screen time? kishi killed off origional whit zetsu without a care and so many white clones, yet black is yet to be put into harms way and lacks screen time
im still not sure how many of these things connect but there is something there, possably something i am missing
now, in naruto shippuden ultimat ninja storm generations, in what they call "Madara's Story" it does not let u hear madara's voice, y? also, u are unable to play as past or mid tobi in this story, again, why?
also, tobi needs sasuke for part of his plan, keep that in mind, possably new or more complete body?
now, tobi used izunagi and had had another eye that he had sacrificed other than the one he always shows, now, has he warped at all? why was he hiding that eye wich he so wilingly disregarded and replaced with renningan? he can still be intanganable though
somewhere along the line, coult tobi, zetsu, or spirit of madar have come accross obitos body?
now, again, sasuke is needed, could obitos body that has been being used become weak or out of date and now sasuke is needed to replace it? or his eyes?
also, tobi is yet to use susano, why? is it also related to his eyes not uniting?
again, tobi seems patched up, maybe the secret is not in his left half of his face, but, the bottom? or both?
also, tobi is vary insistant that he gave those eyes to pain, what had he to do with that? cuz aagain, madara was the only one in this picture who had honestly awakened the renningan
when pain was revived, he had the reningan, did edo tensei bring hime back to his death date and all he had? or was he born with those eyes rather than having them implanted in him as a child and what had madara or pain hav to do with this? were his parents even his real parents or possably zetsus?
tobi seems vary one track minded, and also not all their upstairs as though he himself is not sure of his own identity, he also can get vary confident of his own mortality, he understands completely when he is being tricked to falling into a trap and purposly puts himeself into it just to see what the plan was cuz he doesnt worry about actually being caught inthe trap
i had much more to this conspirasy, but, i cannot remember from the top of my head, srry ^^"

If tobi was obito this post just shows the long ass episode they would need to explain everything or however tobi is for that matter. Good points though highly possible

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Re: The last tobi = obito thread :')

Yep this is another Tobi is Obito thread but it may just be the best one you have ever read and might even make you reconsider your previous thoughts..

Here's my theory obito's near death experience enabled him to unlock his abilty to become intangible and pass through solid objects and bearly makes it out alive from the underground cave with the right side of his body half crushed. Right after this he encountered Zetsu who meets this young boy with special eye powers and saves him. I belive Zetsu is some sort of creation by madara “The way i see it is that , when madara was dying he activated the rinnengan, and let zetsu take the rinnengan from him, along with the harashima cells, and also some of madara's own DNA.He then let zetsu implant all of these things into a piece of zetsu body like a big enough chunk to make a body , hence developing a second madara. That had all his memories(or possibly he could of extracted his entire brain?) and shit.”

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And later infused this body with obito who he found because he needed the body of an uchiha and this was he’s perfect chance because the uchiha’s were all still alive and he didn’t want to engage into combat.
Now what if zetsu he then implanted the eyes into an uzumaki child (nagato). In order to study it abilities or re-awaken it.
Now before you question my theory or flame me read the whole thread !!!!!!


First of all let's start with the basics, tobi is is basically obito with a missing O this is probably one of the first links people spotted but is very true. Even if you say tobi backwards out loud it is actually bi to and if you spell tobi together multiple times without spaces you get this tobitobitobitobi small irrelevant but ture links but as I said this is just the basics. Now this same small link was the same with naruto and nagato and look at the big link with them, both uzumaki, Both jiraya's students..

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the list of links goes on

In the naruto series Kishi puts a lot of links between characters, names and much more which are all connected... don't want to go into all the links with names this thread will be to long..

Second link hair well as we all know obito's hair and tobi's current hair are very similar

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but in the past tobi has been seen with longer hair, but obito could of left his hair to grow for whatever reason and then cut it back to how it was originally, tobi is the character who changes his appearance the most in naruto with frequent mask changes

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you saying tobi is not obito because he once had long hair is just like saying the mask man who talked to kisamae is not tobi because he has a different mask

Tobi's sharingan powers is similar to kakashi's it was stated that each sharingan user has unique power, kakashi can warp objects that he focuses his eyes on into different dimensions

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Tobi can warp anything he touches into different dimensions
aswell as himself to different dimensions and other locations.

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Kakashi sharingan is obito's eye and not he’s eye so it’s obvious that he would not be able to use it to its full ability. It is also obvious that obito would have this sort space/time powers if he survived, which tobi clearly does

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People also say well it’s not obito because tobi has 2 sharingah which was revealed with his fight against konan well..

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Tobi has also been shown he has great skill in transplanting eyes as he gave sasuke itachi's eyes and also when he implants the reningan in he’s left eye. So yh that kills that argument doesn't it..

Another argument is tobi is too strong to be obito he couldn't of got that strong in that time space to fight the 4th and so on, well if obito did survive we don't know what happened to him in those 3-5 (not sure) years. Well I look at naruto here

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And now look at him here

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Hope you get my point, look how strong naruto has become in a 3-4 year period, I mean itachi killed his whole clan when he was 13 I think so how can you say tobi is too strong to be obito.
Also what people do not see is that obito is not strong at all I mean all he does is obsorb people and teleport I mean if obito did survive and unlock his powers would he need to improve much on his ninjutsu and taijutsu, I think not ! those powers a fearful enough

Yes he went up against the 4th... And lost !

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Anyone can go up against anyone the battle between the 4th and tobi was mainly a battle of brains not bronze, tobi isn't really that strong it’s just his ocular powers

People say Obito has no reason to be evil look well.. look at sasuke here

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and look at sasuke here

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Obviously we have been following the story of sasuke as well as naruto so we know all the events that have happened in the last 3-4 years but like I said we don't know what happen to obito if he did survive.. good guys can turn bad as seen with many characters.. * cough cough* nagato

Now obito's body was crushed.. Tobi's body is filled with a white substance most likely zetsu,

which makes perfect sense for this to be obito look at tobi here

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he's right side is white,

we know that zetsu and tobi are very close

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Like my theory says he could have confronted obito near his death we don’t know!

Tobi is old we saw his face, yh we've seen the right said of his face never the left, his right side was crushed of course it would look squashed. There has been many times were we have seen tobi’s right side of his face never his left ??

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This one is the real key if kishi is willing to reveal this much of his face he might aswell reveal all of it ? welll if it is obito the the left side should be fine not squashed which is the only reason I can think of for his left face not to be shown


This is a complete random clue I saw from re watching some past naruto ep's (ay I was bored) anyway right before akatsuki was introduced and itachi and kismae were sitting down in a restaurant this was said.............

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Asuma said this to kakashi because he said he is collecting something for an offering or something like that. This was the first time obito was ever mentioned and I assure you this was righttt before itachi, kisame and akatsuki was introduced would be very ironic as tobi claims to be the influence behind akatsuki and obito is mentioned right before akatsuki’s introduction anyway just a clue I found

If you actually read all that wow, I added a lot of pictures in this thread so I could prove everything I said was true. I will probably reply to post on this thread by just copying and pasting because people don’t seem to read the post properly when the answer is right there.

There's no way I can go into why tobi isn't the elder son, izuna uchiha or kami uchiha. Have you seen how long this thread is but I will do brief summaries why I believe they are not tobi.

Sage of six path son:
’’Even the elder son's dad wasnt immortal so why would he? kakuzu said theres no true immortality meaning hidan ages. everything deteriorates. plus tobi posed as madara. why would the mighty son of the sage pose as a kid, who would madara be to him? and why is he madara's bitch, following madara's plan and planning to resurrect madara? why would he become so weak over the years? his fight with his bro couldnt have
done that much.

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Which I fully agree with

Izuni madara brother:

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He is blind and dead why do you people say this, if he was blind how did he get new eyes?? we saw him in his coffin ?? Even if he "didn't die" he would die from old age what is wrong with you people ?? Yet we didn’t see obito die and you say he is dead ??

Kami uchiha: I wouldn't mind if it was, I actually like the idea and is who I believe tobi is if it is not obito. Kami is around the right age to be tobi and also he just seemed to disappear with no explanation. But if it was him who would it shock, most people probably don't even know him the third is dead, danzo is dead and the second 2nd is dead.. If it was obito that involves the 4th and Kakashi who are connected to almost all the characters in the naruto universe in some way or form.

For those how thought the obito is tobi theory died I'm showing you it’s still alive and kicking !!

Please argue against any of the points I've made or maybe some that I haven't made, this is a discussion and I would like to hear your thoughts

I just don’t like the fact that people are saying “It can’t be Obito !!” when as I have shown in this thread it very well could be. :scorps:

Here's the original post to why I believe tobi is obito it was moved to the official tobi ID thread so it's hard to find

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

Nice theory xd Tobi will soon be revealed and we can finally found out who he is there's probably going to be one whole episode explaining everything.

 

[naruto005]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

nice work +rep

 

[dowhatupreach]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

the "soon to be introduced" tobi is the least famous tobi theories.

good analogy on the kamui tech, that's maybe the reason why kamui does not work on tobi

 

[Prince Charles]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

no.

 

[muang]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

There was this thread i made and a guy came in and made another theory inside it again that imo was perfect :O

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

There was this thread i made and a guy came in and made another theory inside it again that imo was perfect :O

^^ I really didnt know that you made, lol...
Provide link, I will be happy to check out....

 

[LadyKage]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

I have been thinking about Kakashi's and Tobi's Time-Space tech...
There is no need for briefing the techs, you all know but anyway,
Kamui-The only known user is Kakashi. And it transports the target to an unknown dimension...
Tobi's S/T tech: Also transports the target to different dimension from where till now nobody escaped.
Both are shown to have a spiraling pattern when used.
My actual theory starts now...

^^ I think Tobi uses a variant of Kamui (this theory is already there)

Secret behind Tobi's S/T ninjutsu​

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I think the secret behind Tobi's S/T ninjutsu is that he creates a hole in other dimension and uses perfect Kamui on himself then enters the dimension from where he again opens a portal through which he comes out wherever he wants.
We all know that kamui is a versatile tech and is wide ranged this explains the appearance of Tobi at desired space.
Tobi said to Kakashi that tech like kamui wont work on him, which leads me to think that Tobi knows in and out of Kamui...​

So who has highest chance of having same tech as Kakashi? Well that would be logically obito right? I am entering into that branch of theory as it has been explained over and over by various ppl.

So who hell is Tobi? My theory​

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^^ We all know that certain sharingan abilities can be passed down to others like for example Itachi's amaterasu to Sasuke...
I think Tobi is a new character to be introduced in the series, since its not new to introduce new faces, who might be a parent or sibling of Obito..
^^ Tobi can also be most likely an uchiha or Uzumaki since he can use Sharingan and Rinnegan with ease...​

Theory on how Tobi lived long..​

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^^ Now you may ask then how Tobi lived so long if he is from a distant past... I think the unknown dimension slows/freezes time which would explain that question, though its a long stretch or 1st Hokages cells might helped him achieve it partially, its only a theory.. lol...​

So what you ppl think?
Post your views.
There may be many loopholes and flaws, this is where it calls for "discussion".
Rate my theory if you have time...:scorps:

Really nice, especially the last part (how tobi lived long).
But why would he have to be Obito's sibling or parent? He could just be an Uchiha.

 

[Edo Tensei Zabuza]

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I like your theories...I know a lot of people discredit the Obito theory in general but the thing with Obito is he is too young for madara, unless madara was still alive somehow back then and found Obito before he died...but there are many holes in the theory...only time will tell but I like where your heads at, especially with the kamui theory...oh and sweet sig...Jiraiya FTW! Except for when he died!! Haha

 

[Beastbomb]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

I think he is closer to being an Uzumaki than an Uchiha like Kakashi it appears he can't deacticate his sharingan(this is still to be proven though) so maybe him and Kakashi have a little more in common than differing forms of kamui nice theory anyway +rep.

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

My only thing is that Kakashi uses Kamui (his only S/T ninjutsu) when he has MS on. Tobi uses it on base Sharingan. From your rationale, Kakashi should be able to use S/T ninjutsu with base Sharingan, but I have never seen him use it.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

I like your theories...I know a lot of people discredit the Obito theory in general but the thing with Obito is he is too young for madara, unless madara was still alive somehow back then and found Obito before he died...but there are many holes in the theory...only time will tell but I like where your heads at, especially with the kamui theory...oh and sweet sig...Jiraiya FTW! Except for when he died!! Haha

^^ Till time reveals, we shall debate on new theories. lol. Thank you for commenting abt my sig.

Nice theory xd Tobi will soon be revealed and we can finally found out who he is there's probably going to be one whole episode explaining everything.

^ I look forward to it.

nice work +rep

^^ Thank you.!

the "soon to be introduced" tobi is the least famous tobi theories.

good analogy on the kamui tech, that's maybe the reason why kamui does not work on tobi

^ Thank you. But introducing new characters is not new as seen with Raikage, Oonoki, various edo summons, hell there is a surge of new faces in this war. So it is still plausible that Tobi is a new character...

Really nice, especially the last part (how tobi lived long).
But why would he have to be Obito's sibling or parent? He could just be an Uchiha.

^^ May be. But powerful enough to control sharingan and rinnegan in either eyes...

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

My only thing is that Kakashi uses Kamui (his only S/T ninjutsu) when he has MS on. Tobi uses it on base Sharingan. From your rationale, Kakashi should be able to use S/T ninjutsu with base Sharingan, but I have never seen him use it.

^^ This is one of holes in my theory, but have you seen Tobi's sharingan when he uses his S/T jutsu, No, with that mask covering his face and the spiralling pattern... So we cant be sure its plain 3 tomoe Sharingan that he uses... Also the S/T jutsu seems to be executed through the uncovered eye, and we know that ordinary 3 tomoe sharingan is not so powerful to use time space ninjutsu. So what is Tobi hiding? Clue: His MS.

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

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^^ This is one of holes in my theory, but have you seen Tobi's sharingan when he uses his S/T jutsu, No, with that mask covering his face and the spiralling pattern... So we cant be sure its plain 3 tomoe Sharingan that he uses... Also the S/T jutsu seems to be executed through the uncovered eye, and we know that ordinary 3 tomoe sharingan is not so powerful to use time space ninjutsu. So what is Tobi hiding? Clue: His MS.

Okay, I'll give you that. But I still think it's unlikely that Tobi is Obito.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

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Okay, I'll give you that. But I still think it's unlikely that Tobi is Obito.

^^ Tobi is Obito is my least fav theory, as Obito went all through that sacrifice at young age will suddenly turn as villain...? Most unlikely.
I think Tobi is a new character as I already mentioned in my Thread's main post...

 

[slashestranged]

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if naruto meets tobi again, cant kurama identify for a fact if it is madaras charkra or not?

 

[izinagi54]

Re: [Theory][Spoiler] Analysis - Tobi's S/T tech and identity

like it

 

[razzwal]

Tobi may be...

I believe that Tobi is Madaras brother…Izuna Uchiha… I’m starting to think that Izuna and Madara Have switched eyes to both awaken the EMS… Izuna was to remain a secret until the time came for him to make a move… but things didnt work out as planned because his clan had made piece with the senju clan… and when Madara fought the 1st hokage and Madara was about to die Izuna teleported Madara out of there… Madara gave Izuna his eyes and the 1st hokages DNA… That’s how izuna was able to make the zetsus… And thats when Tobi told him about Nagato of how he would give Nagato his eyes so that he can bring Madara back to life in the future… That’s why Tobi was mad when Nagato used it to revive the leaf village instead… I also believe some truth about what really happened to the uchiha clan will be revealed… I think Itachi didnt kill his clan or may be he did…xd