For some reason, I can't find my theory about Tobi so I decided to make a new thread so everybody can read.
There have been plenty of theories about the true identity of Tobi. From Tobi=Obito to Tobi=remains of the ten tails. Out of these theories, the theory where Tobi=remains of the ten tails made sense. The guy who wrote this theory explained it well. Suddenly something popped out my mind and it made me change my opinion of who Tobi really is.
I’ll start this by eliminating the other theories. Tobi can’t be Obito, Shisui, or Kagami Uchiha and heres why:
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The scan above shows that Kurama knows Tobi. How? Tobi had his mask the whole time. The only reason for this is the chakra. Kurama might have known this person or even met him. The scan above eliminates the other theories because we all know that Kurama was sealed within Mito then Kushina. From this point of time, Kurama doesn't know about Obito, Shisui, or Kagami Uchiha.
Is Tobi Izuna? No!
Here’s why:
We can see here that the price to control Kurama is blindness and it was said that only an MS or EMS user can control Kurama.
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We also know that Madara achieve his EMS by getting Izuna’s eyes
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It was said that Izuna died in a battle, fighting to the death even in his blind state and not only that, it is impossible for him to be Tobi because after them, the next one to awaken MS are Itachi, Shisui, and Kakashi and we all know the MS is needed to control Kurama. These guys are still youngsters during the time when Tobi controlled Kurama and as I said, Kurama knows who Tobi is without seeing his face.
Is Tobi Madara? No!
We all know that Madara was summoned by the use of Edo Tensei. The technique calls the soul of a departed human back from the afterlife. It means that Madara had died.
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The scan above shows how edo tensei works and below shows that Madara really died.
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Who is the man behind the mask?
I believe that Tobi is the elder son of the sage. Only the sage’s son have the DNA of both Uchiha and Senju to do Izanagi
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It could not be the younger son because Tobi’s ideal to achieve peace is through war.
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The same ideal for the elder son of the sage
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Have you even wondered why Tobi knows so much about the sage’s sons history and how the curse of Uchiha’s hatred begun? Even the Kage’s doesn’t know about that. Of all people, Tobi knows the history of the sage and until now we haven’t seen him using MS. The scan below shows Tobi explaining that MS can decode more than the sharingan and the rinnegan can do more.
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We know that Tobi gave his eyes to Nagato as seen here:
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Question: How did Tobi obtained the Rinnegan?
Madara awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death.
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We know that Tobi is not Madara because Madara was summoned through Edo Tensei. Again, how did Tobi get the rinnegan?
Only the elder son posseses the sage’s eyes
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It explains why Kurama knows him without seeing his face. Tobi’s ideal and the sage’s elder son are the same. They both believe that might is the key to peace.
If Tobi is the elder son of the sage why is he alive until now?
Izanagi was once used to create life
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If the sage was able to create the tailed beast with the use of Izanagi, Tobi can also do that because he has the DNA of both Uchiha and Senju.
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What I’m referring to?
It leads me to believe that he created the original Zetsu with the use of Izanagi and then uses Hashirama’s cell to create more. He uses it to preserve his body. We all know that our body will age so it is not possible for him to live this long. Tobi is not immortal because if he is then he will not be using zetsu’s body
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Please take a look at his arm. It definitely not an arm of a human being. No bones but just some kind of substance that melted. Another thing is, Zetsu is a mystery. We don’t know where he came from, or if he has relatives. Like Tobi, he’s a complete mystery. He’s the only one that knows the complete plan of Tobi or even Tobi’s identities.
Conclusion: Tobi is the elder son of the sage that uses a zetsu body to live long.
I will have to say that I disagree with you. I do not believe Tobi is the elder son of So6P.
(In all honesty, I'm a firm believer in Obito. I know, when will I face reality?)
I just *liked* Obito in general and the original, goofy Tobi. First time I saw Tobi's space/time jutsu I was convinced that he was Obito but now... with all the Sharingan jacking and such, it's possible that he just had Zetsu hijack Obito's other eye just to throw us off (Dammit Kishi)
With all we've seen though, I wouldn't be surprised if it IS Obito... or Izuna... or just Zetsu with benefits or any other Naruto haired-styled Uchiha.
My point, however, is that I find it unlikely that Tobi is the So6P's eldest son.
My point is, if we believe Tobi, then he is Madara, which we know he is not. Therefore his credibility is negligible. Our next best bet is Madara telling us something. I don't get your point about Mito to Kushina though. What's that have to do with Kagami?
The point for Mito to Kushina is that Kurama was sealed from Mito's time (when Hashi gained control of Kurama during their fight w/ Madara) to Kushina's time (until Naruto was born). Knowing that the fight between Hashi and Madara took place before the 1st shinobi war, Kagami is too young at the time Kurama was sealed within Mito and it's very unlikely that they met because Kurama is not an ordinary pet that resides within Konoha and besides that, Itachi, Shisui, and Sasuke are the only Uchiha to gain MS after Madara and Izuna.
everything good until the part with "tobi is the elder son".
the elder son has slightly modified eyes (lets say the rinnegan is bleached away with time and devolves to sharingan and finally to nothing-gan)
if it was the elder son, he must have been very strong, almost as strong as his father, cos he surely trained his sons. and as we know tobi is not that strong. he is more like a manipulator and master of puppets.
Also it is said that the elder got the eyes and the younger got the body. so they both got dna-properties from their father, but only part of.
what means that the "senju-body-part" is not part of the elders dna anymore. he only has "uchiha-eye-parts" in his dna and as we know the younger owned the elder and so there is no way the elder got his "dna". well if time repeats itsself thousand of times and the elder took his dna like madara did o_o.
in fact, lets face it: tobi is very strong connected to Zetsu that is a plant-man that is made of Senju-cells (at least the white part, as we seen in Tobis hide-out). tobi uses bodyparts of Zetsu and doesnt even feel pain when getting ripped of his limbs, he just gets new ones. and besides tobis space-time-thing we didnt see one technique. Damn it! He has the rinnegan and doesnt even use these meteor-things on Naruto. he also posses senju- and uchiha-dna. he should be as strong as Madara, but is certainly NOT.
Check this thread out, it was about the Elder son being Tobi as well:
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Was one of the best threads on NB i've seen. As for your thread, well done with the analysis but i do disagree about Tobi being the Elder son.
Firstly, why would the Elder Son of the SO6P, considered the God of shinobi, refer to himself as nobody? He was a living legend, yet needs to hide behind the facade of a kid(Madara is that compared to him). What purpose does Tobi gain by hiding his identity? If the whole ninja world knows about the Rikudo Sennin, claiming he is his Elder Son to the world ought to inspire more fear/awe than anything posing as Madara could hope to achieve.
Don't have anytime but i'll discuss this in more detail later
i think hes a plot relevant ninja who hasnt been mentioned before but is still an important character and will possibly explain the origin of s/t ninjutsu.
people like muu and kinkaku hadnt been mentioned before the war but they show up and are instantly gods. and hashirama is supposedly a god and strongest besides sage but no one is like "gee i wish hashirama were here" when konohas being destroyed. kishi can easily do this and itd make sense because like hashirama, this guy's power was written off as a fake legend.
Your questions have something to do with Tobi's purpose and he's strength. We're uncovering his identity and not to discuss whatever purpose he have. Let's make another topic for that.
Ya right another Topic,U gave out a half assed point:scorps:
An Identity of a character determines the motive,If the Motive doesn't match the character then it is Not the character:scorps:
this theory makes sense...and i agree. coz the other posts that wants to contradict is not really convincing.
like some good points raised but fell short:
"if he is the son of SO6P why he's defeated by minato."
(it's not even mentioned that the son of SO6P is a super great ninja, now they're implying like he is invincible, he is only the son, not the SO6P himself).
"why he is using madara's name instead of his name."
(it's madara's name that is feared in this time, even almost all people assumed that SO6P is just a myth including jiraiya, so if he introduced himself as the son of SO6P, most of the time people will not understand or maybe laugh at him)
and other points raised to contradict that's not even worth to mention because they're nonsense. (like "i think he's obito because i like obito and somehow somewhere he will be obito.")
The point for Mito to Kushina is that Kurama was sealed from Mito's time (when Hashi gained control of Kurama during their fight w/ Madara) to Kushina's time (until Naruto was born). Knowing that the fight between Hashi and Madara took place before the 1st shinobi war, Kagami is too young at the time Kurama was sealed within Mito and it's very unlikely that they met because Kurama is not an ordinary pet that resides within Konoha and besides that, Itachi, Shisui, and Sasuke are the only Uchiha to gain MS after Madara and Izuna.
oops..i wonder why it was transferred and it's in the 223rd page. Anyways, thanks...
The fact is, what he could have recognized was just the mask. We know one thing, he can't see beyond the mask, and there are no other identifiable characteristics besides his eyes; he easily could have thought it was Madara. That can't be used to rule out Kagami. We know that Kagami is as old as the third and therefore some 8-15 years younger than Tobirama who's about as old as Hashirama. He would therefore be alive at the time of the Mito giving birth and the weakening of the seal. It's possible he could easily have gained that knowledge seeing as he was close enough to Tobirama. Then, he took advantage when it happened the second time with Kushina. Additionally, Tobi uses a regular sharingan to control Kurama which Madara uses his MS (I presume). I don't believe it has said MS is a requirement to control a tailed beast. You can't assume him saying "you...!" means recognizes someone through the mask. He can't recognize chakra because he lacks a Byakugan or Sharingan. He's a fox that uses regular eyes. He sees a mask and a powerful sharingan.
that's good..
